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  • pureocpureoc Posts: 2,383
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    Shit is about to hit the fan.

    Baseball could be a much much different situation whenever this goes down. The union is going to go batshit and you would have to imagine it impacts the relationship with the union and owners/baseball

    The union's arrogance and blind eye is why we are in this mess in the first place. I hope they all get suspended if not booted for good. It should be first time is a year, and 2nd time your done.
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  • pureocpureoc Posts: 2,383
    CROJAM95 wrote:
    I don't think the players care about getting caught anymore... Just chasing massive dollars is all that matters. Braun, A-Rod, Cabrera all have a bunch of giant homes and probably laugh at this point. So many guys have gotten caught so no one feels like an outcast.

    It's the fans, either accept the reality or take your dollars elsewhere. This whole witch hunt aspect is old. They are all repeat offenders... Clearly don't give a shit.

    Sadly they don't, a lot of the guys getting caught are from other countries that are quite poor, so making a lot of money, no matter what the cost is all they care about, cause the insane amount of money they make in the states goes insanely farther (generations) back in their homeland. It's a really sad and f'd up system. Will never happen but I'd love to see the top pay go down to about $5 mil a year. I'm guilty of it for watching and going to the games (although I don't go to near as many as I used to).
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  • Last-12-ExitLast-12-Exit Posts: 8,661
    pureoc wrote:
    CROJAM95 wrote:
    I don't think the players care about getting caught anymore... Just chasing massive dollars is all that matters. Braun, A-Rod, Cabrera all have a bunch of giant homes and probably laugh at this point. So many guys have gotten caught so no one feels like an outcast.

    It's the fans, either accept the reality or take your dollars elsewhere. This whole witch hunt aspect is old. They are all repeat offenders... Clearly don't give a shit.

    Sadly they don't, a lot of the guys getting caught are from other countries that are quite poor, so making a lot of money, no matter what the cost is all they care about, cause the insane amount of money they make in the states goes insanely farther (generations) back in their homeland. It's a really sad and f'd up system. Will never happen but I'd love to see the top pay go down to about $5 mil a year. I'm guilty of it for watching and going to the games (although I don't go to near as many as I used to).
    Would you like it if your boss said that you were grossly over paid so hes cutting your pay and the most you could make is $12.00/hour?

    I know you weren't serious but every player is worth what an insanely rich person is willing to pay him. I really think contracts will have a void clause for players that are popped. Maybe even a pay back bonus clause if they are caught.
  • pureocpureoc Posts: 2,383
    pureoc wrote:
    CROJAM95 wrote:
    I don't think the players care about getting caught anymore... Just chasing massive dollars is all that matters. Braun, A-Rod, Cabrera all have a bunch of giant homes and probably laugh at this point. So many guys have gotten caught so no one feels like an outcast.

    It's the fans, either accept the reality or take your dollars elsewhere. This whole witch hunt aspect is old. They are all repeat offenders... Clearly don't give a shit.

    Sadly they don't, a lot of the guys getting caught are from other countries that are quite poor, so making a lot of money, no matter what the cost is all they care about, cause the insane amount of money they make in the states goes insanely farther (generations) back in their homeland. It's a really sad and f'd up system. Will never happen but I'd love to see the top pay go down to about $5 mil a year. I'm guilty of it for watching and going to the games (although I don't go to near as many as I used to).
    Would you like it if your boss said that you were grossly over paid so hes cutting your pay and the most you could make is $12.00/hour?

    I know you weren't serious but every player is worth what an insanely rich person is willing to pay him. I really think contracts will have a void clause for players that are popped. Maybe even a pay back bonus clause if they are caught.

    Again, I'm as guilty as anyone for them making what they make, but every player is worth what they get? I have to disagree. In how many other professions can you make millions when you come through less than 30% of the time, as most players have batting averages under .300?
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  • Last-12-ExitLast-12-Exit Posts: 8,661
    pureoc wrote:
    Again, I'm as guilty as anyone for them making what they make, but every player is worth what they get? I have to disagree. In how many other professions can you make millions when you come through less than 30% of the time, as most players have batting averages under .300?

    Lol. If a guy is willing to pay someone millions then yes, that's his worth to that owner. Arod was worth 10yrs at $275 million to the Yankees. Was it a bad investment, probably so. And coming through around 30% of the time is pretty good in baseball. Bad for a sniper.
  • Newch91Newch91 Posts: 17,560
    pureoc wrote:
    Again, I'm as guilty as anyone for them making what they make, but every player is worth what they get? I have to disagree. In how many other professions can you make millions when you come through less than 30% of the time, as most players have batting averages under .300?

    Lol. If a guy is willing to pay someone millions then yes, that's his worth to that owner. Arod was worth 10yrs at $275 million to the Yankees. Was it a bad investment, probably so. And coming through around 30% of the time is pretty good in baseball. Bad for a sniper.
    Not probably so; incredibly a bad investment. At the time, they were paying for a player who excelled in the regular season but couldn't do shit in the playoffs.
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  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,835
    pureoc wrote:
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    Shit is about to hit the fan.

    Baseball could be a much much different situation whenever this goes down. The union is going to go batshit and you would have to imagine it impacts the relationship with the union and owners/baseball

    The union's arrogance and blind eye is why we are in this mess in the first place. I hope they all get suspended if not booted for good. It should be first time is a year, and 2nd time your done.

    Bullshit. Everyone's blind eye is why we are in this including baseball, the union, the holier than thou writers and the fans.
  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,835
    edited June 2013
    Newch91 wrote:
    pureoc wrote:
    Again, I'm as guilty as anyone for them making what they make, but every player is worth what they get? I have to disagree. In how many other professions can you make millions when you come through less than 30% of the time, as most players have batting averages under .300?

    Lol. If a guy is willing to pay someone millions then yes, that's his worth to that owner. Arod was worth 10yrs at $275 million to the Yankees. Was it a bad investment, probably so. And coming through around 30% of the time is pretty good in baseball. Bad for a sniper.
    Not probably so; incredibly a bad investment. At the time, they were paying for a player who excelled in the regular season but couldn't do shit in the playoffs.

    No, at the time they were paying on of the best players to ever play the game with little injury history who was on an insane pace to shatter the home run record and do it clean and in pinstripes bringing the home run record back to the Bronx. They were obviously going off terrible information. The money they would have made off a clean arod breaking the record would have been astronomical. I'm I'm no way saying it was a good contract at the time, but what they paid for and what they got are two very different things.
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  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,835
    pureoc wrote:
    CROJAM95 wrote:
    I don't think the players care about getting caught anymore... Just chasing massive dollars is all that matters. Braun, A-Rod, Cabrera all have a bunch of giant homes and probably laugh at this point. So many guys have gotten caught so no one feels like an outcast.

    It's the fans, either accept the reality or take your dollars elsewhere. This whole witch hunt aspect is old. They are all repeat offenders... Clearly don't give a shit.

    Sadly they don't, a lot of the guys getting caught are from other countries that are quite poor, so making a lot of money, no matter what the cost is all they care about, cause the insane amount of money they make in the states goes insanely farther (generations) back in their homeland. It's a really sad and f'd up system. Will never happen but I'd love to see the top pay go down to about $5 mil a year. I'm guilty of it for watching and going to the games (although I don't go to near as many as I used to).

    Why? To make owners insanely rich? I'll never understand this thinking.
  • JK_LivinJK_Livin Posts: 7,365
    I don't know if it's my age, 42, but it seems as if professional sports are pushing people away from caring about them.
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  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,138
    I'm thinking MLB will need two record books. Pre-1985 and post-1985. And let them juice away.
  • pureocpureoc Posts: 2,383
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    pureoc wrote:
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    Shit is about to hit the fan.

    Baseball could be a much much different situation whenever this goes down. The union is going to go batshit and you would have to imagine it impacts the relationship with the union and owners/baseball

    The union's arrogance and blind eye is why we are in this mess in the first place. I hope they all get suspended if not booted for good. It should be first time is a year, and 2nd time your done.

    Bullshit. Everyone's blind eye is why we are in this including baseball, the union, the holier than thou writers and the fans.


    True, but the majority of fans and writers views have flipped, and they are smart enough to realize what happened, albeit after the fact, yet the union still backs these players and fights for them despite their obvious guilt (yes it is the unions job). I hope they go down for their crimes, but that's just me, to each their own.
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  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,835
    pureoc wrote:
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    pureoc wrote:


    True, but the majority of fans and writers views have flipped, and they are smart enough to realize what happened, albeit after the fact, yet the union still backs these players and fights for them despite their obvious guilt (yes it is the unions job). I hope they go down for their crimes, but that's just me, to each their own.

    I agree that anyone that gets caught now should go down. The writers have very conveniently flipped.

    Yeah, it is the unions job and the union has agreed to the toughest testing in American Pro sports so I think they have every right to fight these eventual suspensions, especially the 100 game suspensions for first timers, based on some drug dealers word and no positive tests.
  • DewieCoxDewieCox Posts: 11,429
    I don't think that athletes need to take huge pay cuts. If that's what an owner wants to pay, then go for it as long as they try to keep it a level playing field with salary caps and what not. The owners are raking in cash and it's one of the few profession that pays the employees according to how much they help bring in. I think we can all agree there are plenty of overpaid athletes.


    I'm fine with them tracking down the rule breakers, but let's not act like people haven't been cheating forever. The notion that people want different record books and keeping certain people out of the Hall of Fame is ridiculous, unless they're gonna tear up the old ones.
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  • WobbieWobbie Posts: 30,144
    MLB needs to drug test the new d**ger right. fucking. now. Or, better yet, just deport his commie ass back to cuba. :x
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  • JonnyPistachioJonnyPistachio Posts: 10,217
    Yasiel Puig. This guy is on a tear. Hitting .470 ish...

    Yasiel Puig had two hits in each game of the Dodgers' day/night doubleheader against the Yankees. Puig has played 15 games in his major league career and he has had at least two hits in 10 of those games. Among players who made their major league debut since 1900 only one other had 10 multiple-hit games in his first 15 career games: Baltimore's Curtis Goodwin in 1995. Goodwin had at least two hits in 10 of his first 11 major league games. Puig's four hits and one home run in the Dodgers' day/night doubleheader split with the Yankees gives him 27 hits and five homers in his 15-game major league career. Puig is the first player in baseball's modern era (since 1900) to have that many hits and home runs in his first 15 major league games.
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    Yasiel Puig. This guy is on a tear. Hitting .470 ish...

    Yasiel Puig had two hits in each game of the Dodgers' day/night doubleheader against the Yankees. Puig has played 15 games in his major league career and he has had at least two hits in 10 of those games. Among players who made their major league debut since 1900 only one other had 10 multiple-hit games in his first 15 career games: Baltimore's Curtis Goodwin in 1995. Goodwin had at least two hits in 10 of his first 11 major league games. Puig's four hits and one home run in the Dodgers' day/night doubleheader split with the Yankees gives him 27 hits and five homers in his 15-game major league career. Puig is the first player in baseball's modern era (since 1900) to have that many hits and home runs in his first 15 major league games.

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  • WobbieWobbie Posts: 30,144
    Yasiel Puig. This guy is on a tear. Hitting .470 ish...

    Yasiel Puig had two hits in each game of the Dodgers' day/night doubleheader against the Yankees. Puig has played 15 games in his major league career and he has had at least two hits in 10 of those games. Among players who made their major league debut since 1900 only one other had 10 multiple-hit games in his first 15 career games: Baltimore's Curtis Goodwin in 1995. Goodwin had at least two hits in 10 of his first 11 major league games. Puig's four hits and one home run in the Dodgers' day/night doubleheader split with the Yankees gives him 27 hits and five homers in his 15-game major league career. Puig is the first player in baseball's modern era (since 1900) to have that many hits and home runs in his first 15 major league games.

    drug test his cuban ass. :x
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  • WobbieWobbie Posts: 30,144
    norm wrote:

    where the hell do you find this stuff? twitter?
    If I had known then what I know now...

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    imalive wrote:
    norm wrote:

    where the hell do you find this stuff? twitter?

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  • eeriepadaveeeriepadave Posts: 42,011
    congrats to homer bailey on his no-no tonight


    jesus christ another no hitter from him? :o
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  • Last-12-ExitLast-12-Exit Posts: 8,661
    congrats to homer bailey on his no-no tonight


    jesus christ another no hitter from him? :o
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    let's go REDS! were up on giants earlier...............????????????
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