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  • dunkman
    dunkman Posts: 19,646
    polaris_x wrote:
    Digital Twilight wrote:
    polaris_x wrote:
    will gordon brown step down?

    Yup, he has...

    seemed like an obvious move ... pretty fascinating what is going on ... anyone have ideas about who would replace brown if they still manage to hold onto power?


    copied and pasted from Guardian website

    David Miliband is the clear favourite. Ed Balls will certainly be a candidate, and Ed Miliband has not denied reports that he may stand against his brother. Andy Burnham is also seen as someone with an outside chance of winning. There has been speculation about Alistair Darling, Alan Johnson and Harriet Harman replacing Brown, but all three have in the past signalled that they don't want the job.
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • FinsburyParkCarrots
    FinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    polaris_x wrote:
    Digital Twilight wrote:
    polaris_x wrote:
    will gordon brown step down?

    Yup, he has...

    seemed like an obvious move ... pretty fascinating what is going on ... anyone have ideas about who would replace brown if they still manage to hold onto power?

    David Miliband has the cosmetic facade of the post-Blairite paper-cup-salesman-who-looks-about-twelve party leader, which appeals to the shallowness of the media and the blue rinse contingent of the electorate. He's also pretty chummy with Hillary Clinton which boosts his claim to experience in international affairs; he constitutes relatively new blood in the party as opposed to veteran politicians such as Harriet Harman, and he seems centrist enough to achieve a semblance of party unity. However, he's also a bit of a political intellectual, as is his brother Ed: they're the both the sons of the eminent Marxist intellectual Ralph:

    http://www.lipman-miliband.org.uk/Ralph ... llbiog.pdf

    Murdoch would spontaneously combust at the thought of Ralph Miliband's son as unelected PM, but I think that anything that potentially thwarts a 79 year-old Australian billionaire in the act of tampering with matters of state is worthwhile.

    Ed Balls is reckoned to be another potential candidate, as may well be Ed Miliband and Harriet Harman, but this is just speculation and nothing's being intimated as of yet.
  • Pepe Silvia
    Pepe Silvia Posts: 3,758
    the daily show had a funny segment about this last night, i will try to find the video later
    don't compete; coexist

    what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?

    "I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama

    when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
    i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    thanks ... keep us posted!
  • OutOfBreath
    OutOfBreath Posts: 1,804
    dunkman wrote:
    I don't want a Tory govt as much as the next working class bloke... but at the end of the day we shouldn't have a govt that is made up of a coalition of the two LOSING parties... Labour lost big style and the Libs lost 10% of their seats... thats a pretty big drop.

    Well, if the two "losing parties" who gathered 29% and 23% of the popular votes can agree to a platform, then they represent more of the people (52%) than the "winners" with 36%. That the lib-dems lost so many seats is mostly a quirk of the electoral system as their popular vote hardly dropped at all. The conservatives getting as many as the do is also a quirk. 36% of the votes, but, what, 46% of the seats?

    I'm waiting to see if some real reform is introduced into the british election model. By rights, the Lib Dems should be almost as large as Labour, and the conservatives slightly larger than Labour. First past the post only really works when there is only two parties. The british seems to favour 3 parties massively. So welcome to coalition politics like the rest of Europe. :)

    Peace
    Dan
    "YOU [humans] NEED TO BELIEVE IN THINGS THAT AREN'T TRUE. HOW ELSE CAN THEY BECOME?" - Death

    "Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
  • nuffingman
    nuffingman Posts: 3,014
    dunkman wrote:
    I don't want a Tory govt as much as the next working class bloke... but at the end of the day we shouldn't have a govt that is made up of a coalition of the two LOSING parties... Labour lost big style and the Libs lost 10% of their seats... thats a pretty big drop.
    True but how often do the Labour party do anything for the working bloke? I'm a working bloke and they've done fuck all for me. Nowadays they are just watered down tories pandering to the wishes of the financial sector and being run by unelected guys. Screw all politicians. The day they become true public servants is the day I show some interest again.
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    OutOfBreath wrote:
    Well, if the two "losing parties" who gathered 29% and 23% of the popular votes can agree to a platform, then they represent more of the people (52%) than the "winners" with 36%. That the lib-dems lost so many seats is mostly a quirk of the electoral system as their popular vote hardly dropped at all. The conservatives getting as many as the do is also a quirk. 36% of the votes, but, what, 46% of the seats?

    I'm waiting to see if some real reform is introduced into the british election model. By rights, the Lib Dems should be almost as large as Labour, and the conservatives slightly larger than Labour. First past the post only really works when there is only two parties. The british seems to favour 3 parties massively. So welcome to coalition politics like the rest of Europe. :)

    Peace
    Dan

    this is true of canada as well ... where we have one right wing party leading with 32% of the vote simply because all the other parties split the remainder ... we need to change our electoral system as well ...
  • dunkman
    dunkman Posts: 19,646
    OutOfBreath wrote:
    dunkman wrote:
    I don't want a Tory govt as much as the next working class bloke... but at the end of the day we shouldn't have a govt that is made up of a coalition of the two LOSING parties... Labour lost big style and the Libs lost 10% of their seats... thats a pretty big drop.

    Well, if the two "losing parties" who gathered 29% and 23% of the popular votes can agree to a platform, then they represent more of the people (52%) than the "winners" with 36%. That the lib-dems lost so many seats is mostly a quirk of the electoral system as their popular vote hardly dropped at all. The conservatives getting as many as the do is also a quirk. 36% of the votes, but, what, 46% of the seats?

    I'm waiting to see if some real reform is introduced into the british election model. By rights, the Lib Dems should be almost as large as Labour, and the conservatives slightly larger than Labour. First past the post only really works when there is only two parties. The british seems to favour 3 parties massively. So welcome to coalition politics like the rest of Europe. :)

    Peace
    Dan

    i understand the 52% versus 36%... but the two parties are quite separate entities. You can add up those 2 parties votes and claim they are a majority but then they aren't really... mathematically they are, but not morally... both parties lost seats... Labour lost a huge amount... they should eat humble pie, let the Conservatives lead and then sit back, regroup and focus their efforts on a probably very early election next year... but to do deals and other such nonsense, i think, shows a certain shallowness and contempt for the populace... they clearly said "we don't want you anymore"... and yet they are trying to hang on by any means necessary.

    Essentially the Conservatives won more seats, more votes and a higher percentage of the vote... they won... simple as that. It's like giving a gold medal at the Olympics to the 2nd and 3rd place runners so they can share it and then leaving the actual true winner with nothing.
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • Pepe Silvia
    Pepe Silvia Posts: 3,758
    http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-m ... parliament
    don't compete; coexist

    what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?

    "I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama

    when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
    i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
  • dunkman
    dunkman Posts: 19,646
    nuffingman wrote:
    dunkman wrote:
    I don't want a Tory govt as much as the next working class bloke... but at the end of the day we shouldn't have a govt that is made up of a coalition of the two LOSING parties... Labour lost big style and the Libs lost 10% of their seats... thats a pretty big drop.
    True but how often do the Labour party do anything for the working bloke? I'm a working bloke and they've done fuck all for me. Nowadays they are just watered down tories pandering to the wishes of the financial sector and being run by unelected guys. Screw all politicians. The day they become true public servants is the day I show some interest again.

    They did do some big things though

    A rising National Minimum Wage

    All prescriptions are now free for people being treated for cancer or the effects of cancer, and teenage girls are offered a vaccination against cervical cancer.

    12 million pensioners benefiting from increased Winter Fuel Payments.

    Free TV licences for over-75s.

    A free nursery place for every 3 and 4 year old - extended to 15 hours per week this year and we are beginning to provide 10 hours a week to the most deprived 2 year olds.

    The car scrappage scheme, where owners scrapping an old car receive £2,000 off the price of a new car, has assisted with over 380,000 orders being placed, keeping the automotive industry and its supply chain on its feet

    The UK is now smokefree, with no smoking in most enclosed public places.

    Free off-peak travel on buses anywhere in England for over-60s and disabled people.

    Equalised the age of consent and repealed Section 28.

    Through the introduction of civil partnerships, Labour has for the first time given legal recognition to same-sex partners. Gay couples now have the same inheritance, pension and next-of-kin rights as married couples.

    Banned fox hunting.

    Free admission to our national museums and galleries.

    Devolution in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, an elected Mayor and Assembly for London and directly-elected mayors for those cities that want them.

    In Europe we signed the Social Chapter and introduced measures including: four weeks’ paid holiday; a right to parental leave; extended maternity leave; a new right to request flexible working; and the same protection for part-time workers as full-time workers.
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • FinsburyParkCarrots
    FinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    Nicky Cleggie, what have you done
    You made a fooooooooool of everyone ....

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcpLX6Mh5Ms



    :mrgreen:
  • Digital Twilight
    Digital Twilight Posts: 5,642
    dunkman wrote:
    nuffingman wrote:
    True but how often do the Labour party do anything for the working bloke? I'm a working bloke and they've done fuck all for me. Nowadays they are just watered down tories pandering to the wishes of the financial sector and being run by unelected guys. Screw all politicians. The day they become true public servants is the day I show some interest again.

    They did do some big things though

    A rising National Minimum Wage

    All prescriptions are now free for people being treated for cancer or the effects of cancer, and teenage girls are offered a vaccination against cervical cancer.

    12 million pensioners benefiting from increased Winter Fuel Payments.

    Free TV licences for over-75s.

    A free nursery place for every 3 and 4 year old - extended to 15 hours per week this year and we are beginning to provide 10 hours a week to the most deprived 2 year olds.

    The car scrappage scheme, where owners scrapping an old car receive £2,000 off the price of a new car, has assisted with over 380,000 orders being placed, keeping the automotive industry and its supply chain on its feet

    The UK is now smokefree, with no smoking in most enclosed public places.

    Free off-peak travel on buses anywhere in England for over-60s and disabled people.

    Equalised the age of consent and repealed Section 28.

    Through the introduction of civil partnerships, Labour has for the first time given legal recognition to same-sex partners. Gay couples now have the same inheritance, pension and next-of-kin rights as married couples.

    Banned fox hunting.

    Free admission to our national museums and galleries.

    Devolution in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, an elected Mayor and Assembly for London and directly-elected mayors for those cities that want them.

    In Europe we signed the Social Chapter and introduced measures including: four weeks’ paid holiday; a right to parental leave; extended maternity leave; a new right to request flexible working; and the same protection for part-time workers as full-time workers.

    Nice to see someone who understands and takes an interest. Maybe we should deport everyone who doesn't vote or says politics is a waste of time...
  • Claireack
    Claireack Posts: 13,561
    dunkman wrote:
    They did do some big things though

    A rising National Minimum Wage

    All prescriptions are now free for people being treated for cancer or the effects of cancer, and teenage girls are offered a vaccination against cervical cancer.

    12 million pensioners benefiting from increased Winter Fuel Payments.

    Free TV licences for over-75s.

    A free nursery place for every 3 and 4 year old - extended to 15 hours per week this year and we are beginning to provide 10 hours a week to the most deprived 2 year olds.

    The car scrappage scheme, where owners scrapping an old car receive £2,000 off the price of a new car, has assisted with over 380,000 orders being placed, keeping the automotive industry and its supply chain on its feet

    The UK is now smokefree, with no smoking in most enclosed public places.

    Free off-peak travel on buses anywhere in England for over-60s and disabled people.

    Equalised the age of consent and repealed Section 28.

    Through the introduction of civil partnerships, Labour has for the first time given legal recognition to same-sex partners. Gay couples now have the same inheritance, pension and next-of-kin rights as married couples.

    Banned fox hunting.

    Free admission to our national museums and galleries.

    Devolution in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, an elected Mayor and Assembly for London and directly-elected mayors for those cities that want them.

    In Europe we signed the Social Chapter and introduced measures including: four weeks’ paid holiday; a right to parental leave; extended maternity leave; a new right to request flexible working; and the same protection for part-time workers as full-time workers.

    :thumbup: I would certainly say this is much better than anything the conservatives have done recently.
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  • FinsburyParkCarrots
    FinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    Digital Twilight wrote:
    dunkman wrote:
    nuffingman wrote:
    True but how often do the Labour party do anything for the working bloke? I'm a working bloke and they've done fuck all for me. Nowadays they are just watered down tories pandering to the wishes of the financial sector and being run by unelected guys. Screw all politicians. The day they become true public servants is the day I show some interest again.

    They did do some big things though

    A rising National Minimum Wage

    All prescriptions are now free for people being treated for cancer or the effects of cancer, and teenage girls are offered a vaccination against cervical cancer.

    12 million pensioners benefiting from increased Winter Fuel Payments.

    Free TV licences for over-75s.

    A free nursery place for every 3 and 4 year old - extended to 15 hours per week this year and we are beginning to provide 10 hours a week to the most deprived 2 year olds.

    The car scrappage scheme, where owners scrapping an old car receive £2,000 off the price of a new car, has assisted with over 380,000 orders being placed, keeping the automotive industry and its supply chain on its feet

    The UK is now smokefree, with no smoking in most enclosed public places.

    Free off-peak travel on buses anywhere in England for over-60s and disabled people.

    Equalised the age of consent and repealed Section 28.

    Through the introduction of civil partnerships, Labour has for the first time given legal recognition to same-sex partners. Gay couples now have the same inheritance, pension and next-of-kin rights as married couples.

    Banned fox hunting.

    Free admission to our national museums and galleries.

    Devolution in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, an elected Mayor and Assembly for London and directly-elected mayors for those cities that want them.

    In Europe we signed the Social Chapter and introduced measures including: four weeks’ paid holiday; a right to parental leave; extended maternity leave; a new right to request flexible working; and the same protection for part-time workers as full-time workers.

    Nice to see someone who understands and takes an interest. Maybe we should deport everyone who doesn't vote or says politics is a waste of time...

    Steady on. You'll give Dunk a swelled head. Especially as he's only quoting from this speech:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDsCDEl_H_M

    ;)
  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    **sighs**
  • dunkman
    dunkman Posts: 19,646
    FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:
    Steady on. You'll give Dunk a swelled head. Especially as he's only quoting from this speech:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDsCDEl_H_M

    ;)

    oh absolutely... i wasn't passing it off as my own. clearly it wasn't.. it had no fervent patriotism mentioned and at no point did i make a cheap cock joke... ergo, i copied and pasted from somewhere else.


    ;)
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • nuffingman
    nuffingman Posts: 3,014
    And now Nick Clegg, someone we hadn't heard of 5 minutes ago is to be the new deputy PM.

    There's gonna be tears.
  • FinsburyParkCarrots
    FinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    Just deleted my Myspace music pages in protest against the Murdoch empire and its role in this election. Call it therapy. 8-)
  • Digital Twilight
    Digital Twilight Posts: 5,642
    FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:
    Just deleted my Myspace music pages in protest against the Murdoch empire and its role in this election. Call it therapy. 8-)

    Fuck me does Murdoch own MySpace as well?
  • FinsburyParkCarrots
    FinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    Digital Twilight wrote:
    FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:
    Just deleted my Myspace music pages in protest against the Murdoch empire and its role in this election. Call it therapy. 8-)

    Fuck me does Murdoch own MySpace as well?

    He's owned it since 2005. I tolerated this because if you're a musician, Myspace is - or was - quite handy. But enough's enough.

    http://www.billboard.biz/bbbiz/content_ ... 2d73eab560

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