Dems Propose National ID Card
Jason P
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Interesting proposal . . .
http://news.yahoo.com/s/huffpost/20100430/cm_huffpost/557721;_ylt=AsAPUbA_65AHlJZ8.PIPrBus0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTNnbjU4NWdnBGFzc2V0A2h1ZmZwb3N0LzIwMTAwNDMwLzU1NzcyMQRjY29kZQNtb3N0cG9wdWxhcgRjcG9zAzUEcG9zAzIEcHQDaG9tZV9jb2tlBHNlYwN5bl9oZWFkbGluZV9saXN0BHNsawNuYXRpb25hbGlkY2E-
If the GOP proposed this they would be burned at the stake for proposing a fascist idea. Ironically, the Republicans want nothing to do with this proposal. This supports the idea I heard that if one political party proposed a pro-puppy platform the other side would instantly start an anti-puppy campaign.
I for one don’t need another piece of plastic littering my wallet. Why can’t they just get going with the microchip implants to our forehead and get it over with.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/huffpost/20100430/cm_huffpost/557721;_ylt=AsAPUbA_65AHlJZ8.PIPrBus0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTNnbjU4NWdnBGFzc2V0A2h1ZmZwb3N0LzIwMTAwNDMwLzU1NzcyMQRjY29kZQNtb3N0cG9wdWxhcgRjcG9zAzUEcG9zAzIEcHQDaG9tZV9jb2tlBHNlYwN5bl9oZWFkbGluZV9saXN0BHNsawNuYXRpb25hbGlkY2E-
If the GOP proposed this they would be burned at the stake for proposing a fascist idea. Ironically, the Republicans want nothing to do with this proposal. This supports the idea I heard that if one political party proposed a pro-puppy platform the other side would instantly start an anti-puppy campaign.
I for one don’t need another piece of plastic littering my wallet. Why can’t they just get going with the microchip implants to our forehead and get it over with.
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Yeah, I'm not even totally against the idea of a national ID-type card, but 1) I don't want another card that I need to keep track of, and 2) We don't need another government department (and the hundreds of millions of dollars) that it will take to implement/manage this.
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The republicans want to be able to ask all brown people for their papers, and democrats want to use biometrics to control the population.
DO NOT ADJUST YOUR MIND IT IS REALITY THAT IS MALFUNCTIONING!
Some people think a National ID card is a good idea, some think it's a horrible idea. What's scary about it is that someday the card may become YOU. That you won't be able to do anything without it: fly, open up bank accounts, etc... If someone gets a hold of your card, it would be the most vicious form of identity theft ever perpetrated.
My vote is, no thanks.
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I feel much better since I stopped poisoning myself!
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On May 11, 2005, then President Bush signed into law the Real ID Act. Public L. 109-13. It went unnoticed by most Americans because it was an amendment to another spending bill for troops in Iraq and tsunami relief.
Just to set the record straight... because I am sure the Tea Partiers will run with this...
But it is already in place... put there in 2005... by a REPUBLICAN Congress... under President G.W.Bush.
Check it out:
http://www.dhs.gov/files/laws/gc_1172765386179.shtm
Hail, Hail!!!
Americans must have the shortest fucking SHORT TERM MEMORY of all time. 2005 was NOT that long ago. They can recall shit from NAZI Germany in 1939... but, can't remember shit that happened 5 Years ago?!?!?
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What are they putting in our water supply?
Hail, Hail!!!
My uncle used to work for a biometrics company and was appalled by the their vision for the future and the things they're lobbying for. In response, he quit his job and started the "Stop Real ID Coalition" (http://www.stoprealidcoalition.com) and has basically been traveling the country non-stop for the past 5 years speaking to community groups, state legislatures, US Senators and Representatives and educating them to make sure this doesn't happen.
I think this whole immigration battle is the biometrics industry's wet dream because they'll use this momentum to push the gov't to finally take that first step into biometric ID cards - and it's one big slippery slope from there.
http://www.stoprealidcoalition.com/
It just seems odd that for the last several days I've heard opposition of the AZ bill making statements that they will refuse to carry identification papers with them and then their biggest backers, the democrats, introduce this measure.
I'm not trying to pick sides on this one. Just trying to point out the fucked-up irony.
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
If your driver's license is not an acceptable form of ID, what is a person suppose to carry around with them? Their passports. - All people, even US born citizens don't have passports. A birth certificate, really, who carries their passport or birth certificate with them on a daily bases. I wonder how many people who's homes have been destroyed by fire, tornadoes, hurricanes or floods, have permanently lost their birth certificates. Hospitals have been destroyed and records have been known to be destoryed. How do people prove their citizenship. If identity theft was a problem before, getting hold of people's passports and birth certificates would be a nightmare to fix.
Your driver's license or non driver's license card is suppose to stand for your ID as being a registered citizen of that particular State. What the AZ bill permits -is that all law enforcement personnel, without probable cause- stop any person, at any time or place and ask to see proof of U.S. citizenship if they suspect them of being in the US illegally.
-How can you tell if a person is in the US illegally?
If you look in your wallet right now, there is not one form of ID that states you were born in the U.S. It may say when you were born and in what State you're registered to driver, but it doesn't clearly say that you were born in the US. To prove U.S. birth, you need your birth certificate, a passport, or whatever paperwork people get when they legally become citizens.
A National ID card, microchipped with your information and registered PIN could eliminate the needs for AZ bill and allow law enforcement to go back to properly enforcement the laws and not being used by politicans to perform Gestapo tactics.
From the Official DHS website:
"These regulations set standards for states to meet the requirements of the REAL ID Act, including:
information and security features that must be incorporated into each card;
proof of identity and lawful status of an applicant;
verification of the source documents provided by an applicant; and
security standards for the offices that issue licenses and identification cards. "
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This data, collected by the states, has been fed into the Federal databases for 5 years now.
Some States... such as Arizona... can expand the information collected from Drivers Licenses, if they wish.
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Whether you like it or not... it is already here... new ID Card or not. The information has already been collected.
Hail, Hail!!!