Belgian lawmakers pass Burka ban
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I think there is a law here in NY where you can't wear a hat or sunglasses at a bank counter so that they can see your face on camera or whatever. This sort of thing makes sense, but it's not like women who wear Burkas would be allowed to do the banking for their home anyway.
The religious idea that a woman has to cover their face to leave the house is fucking idiotic though...
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True that women who wear burkas probably will not do banking, but you know there is always someone shady that will exploit that and use it in a negative way
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I wonder where they get this number from. I have seen soooooooo many more wear the burqa in Brussels!
It's not a religious dictate. The Quran does not tell women to completely cover themselves up to go out. It does say that both men and women should dress modestly in society, which, for women, could mean nothing too revealing - low cut or short and maybe covering their head, but nothing about a burqa. This idea of a woman covering herself from head to toe comes from extremely conservative muslim governments and, dare I say, men. I still believe it's a way of oppressing women. I know a few who do wear the burqa when going out and it's something they hate but has to be done because of husband, brother, father, etc. Otherwise they would be considered sluts and be punished for that. Note: these ladies ARE educated but that's what oppression can do to a person. Oh.. by the way... they do go to the bank.....
Also, the law proposed is not banning the burqa as such, but banning all clothing or items that covers the face in public places. Obviously burqas and niqabs are prime examples of this.
I dunno how cold it gets in Belgium, but here, there are months of the year where it's just sensible to cover your face when out walking in public...
Laws disallowing clothing or other personal choices is an abomination in general. Infringes way too much on the personal sphere, where I feel lawmakers should stay the hell out. That some women are forced to wear that contraption is the problem, not the clothing in itself. This is adressing the symptom, not the cause.
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Forced... exactly. If one wishes to dress like that, fair enough. But if a woman chooses not to (especially in a 'western' country), she should be able to. Either way, the government should not intervene.
I know there are issues with the burqa in non-muslim countries and how it is perceived. At a primary school here, a teacher that had been working at the school for a while chose to wear the burqa. She was making a statement about rights, etc. The school asked her not to wear it, stating the dress code in force at the school. It escalated and she was given an ultimatum. Went to court and eventually the school 'won' (if there are any winners here) and was accused of all kinds of nasty racist stuff. The head explained that obviously it had nothing to do with intolerance but in the western culture, we use the eyes, mouth, facial expressions, etc. as forms of communication and teaching. A completely covered face (with netting over the eyes) was not appropriate for teaching these children - they had no means of reference and it was impeding their learning.
I state again, this is in the western culture. I'm sure kids schooled by women in countries where they must wear the burqa are used not seeing the expressions in the eyes, the smile or the mouth forming letters and words and other facial expressions and it doesn't bother them. But it's just not the same in a different culture. And this is true for adults too!
It is still a religious dictate, no? Just not a religion-wide one, more so created/enforced by very conservative/oppressive "sects".
I just figured that if a husband was that big of a controlling asshole that he makes his wife cover her entire face, then he probably wouldn't be open enough to let her do normal things like banking or driving... speaking of that, is it legal to drive with a Burka on? that's gotta cut down on your peripheral vision some?
Belguim better watch out... according to those religious leaders in Iran, women doing slutty things like showing their hair is the cause of earthquakes over there.
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Not too sure what you mean. But I will stand by the fact that it is not a religious dictate nor is it a common muslim 'tradition'. The religion follows the Quran and nowhere is there anything about women covering themselves in such a way.
Again, not sure what you mean by 'sect' but yes, the wearing of the Burqa (or niqab) will be 'enforced' within the more extreme conservative and fundamentalist arabs. It's a cultural thing, nothing to do with religion.
Women should be free to decide how they dress (keeping in line with religious beliefs if necessary - ie dress modestly) without fear of reprisals. No religion, government or man should have that power.
I suppose the question is, does the "belief" come from the person wearing the burqa... or are they forced to by someone other than themselves.
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If they are forced by men, against their will, to wear a burqa... then I'm all for restoring a woman's rights.
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What if it's not your choice of religion. You were born into this family... and you can't choose your parents.
Lets say you're a woman living in Belgium and you were forced to wear something that you didn't want to wear, or be punished by your family or husband. Would you be happy or unhappy with this new law.
...and obviously, there's also going to be women who prefer to wear the burqa, which is totally fine. I just don't think women should be forced to do anything. Men certainly aren't in just about all cultures.
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The thing is D, the only 'dress code' tied to their beliefs, is to dress modestly (this goes for men and women).
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I guess you can say that if you live in a country, you adapt to the country's rules and customs in order not to offend (though I wouldn't go running around boobs bobbing up and down in certain parts of africa!!) but is the burqa/niqab offensive? I have no objection in women wearing the burqa or niqab in Europe as long as it is what they personally choose to do without any pressure from anyone.
Though this law is to ban all clothing/items covering faces and making them unrecognizable - whatever this may be and whatever culture you come from, it is obviously seen as an anti-muslim law. Beneath all of this there are much deeper issues that need to be addressed.
it is obviously an anti-muslim law..the problem is that the one have the power,will win again..they dont fuckin care for people believes..i dont understand why belgium start that,but im sure before year end,more cxountry will be followed..France,Denmark...
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Now Italy.
It's only gonna drive a bigger divide between 'East' and 'West' cultures. Personaly i think its a damn right breech of their human rights.