Chinese accused of vast trade in organs
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This is absolutly horrifying. I thought they stopped doing this.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... ns/Chinese accused of vast trade in organs
By Julia Duin
China's hidden policy of executing prisoners of the forbidden quasi-Buddhist group Falun Gong and harvesting their organs for worldwide sale has been expanded to include Tibetans, "house church" Christians and Muslim Uighurs, human rights activists said Monday.
In a news conference on Capitol Hill, several speakers, including attorney David Matas of B'nai Brith Canada and Ethan Gutmann of the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies, said their investigations have unearthed a grisly trade in which an estimated 9,000 members of Falun Gong have been executed for their corneas, lungs, livers, kidneys and skins.
They likened the practice to the Nazi treatment of Jewish prisoners in World War II concentration camps, which included using them for sadistic medical experiments and taking the gold fillings from the teeth of corpses.
The newest wrinkle, they said, is that organs from other religious prisoners — specifically dissidents from China's Christian, Muslim and Tibetan Buddhist communities — are also being harvested to satisfy an insatiable global demand.
"These groups are useless to the state," Mr. Gutmann said. "They are toxic, so you can't release them. But they're worth a great deal of money in terms of their organs."
Organs from just one person can fetch a total of $100,000 on the worldwide market, he added.
The Falun Dafa Information Center issued at Monday's news conference its annual report on China's persecution of Falun Gong.
The charges of organ harvesting and its spread to other religious and ethnic groups were made by the researchers and activists based on their extensive interviews with former prisoners and families of prisoners, and based on analysis of statistics, including health numbers, released by the Chinese government.
Although the practice of harvesting organs from prisoners has been documented as early as 1992 by Chinese dissident Harry Wu's Laogai Research Foundation, it was not until 2006 that the Epoch Times, a Falun Gong publication, accused the Chinese government of using its adherents for the practice.
In 2005, Chinese Vice Minister of Health Huang Jiefu acknowledged that 95 percent of all transplanted organs come from executions, said Mr. Matas, whose 2009 book "Bloody Harvest," co-written with David Kilgour of Ottawa, a former member of the Canadian Parliament, details the practice.
This is an abuse that can end," Mr. Matas said. "The Chinese may feel it can abuse the Falun Gong to stay in power, but it doesn't have to take their organs."
Falun Gong is a highly visible Buddhist revival movement that had spread across class and educational lines throughout the 1990s. The Chinese government has banned it since 1999, denouncing it as a "dangerous cult."
Founded in China in 1992 by Li Hongzhi, who now lives in the United States, it grew dramatically in only a few years. Its philosophies incorporate ideas from Buddhism and Taoism and include slow-motion meditative exercises on the principles of truthfulness, compassion and tolerance.
Its estimated membership in China is more than 70 million. Mr. Gutmann said 450,000 to 1 million Falun Gong members are in prison at any given time.
When contacted Monday, Wang Baodong, a spokesman for the Chinese Embassy, said, "The sheer lies of organ harvesting are nothing but Falun Gong's propaganda tactics.
"Sufficient facts continue to show the evil nature of Falun Gong and its harmfulness to the society and peoples human rights, though it's been trying hard to disguise itself as a peaceful movement," he added. "Over the years and as an anti-China political organization bent on undermining social stability in China and overthrowing the Chinese government, its been sparing no effort to preach cult doctrines, cheat the public, fabricate lies vilifying the Chinese governmen and engage in activities to sabotage China-U.S. relations."
In the past, Chinese government representatives have denied the allegations, saying the country abides by World Health Organization principles that prohibit the sale of human organs and require written voluntary consent from donors.
Still, in December 2006, the Australian government said it had abolished training programs for Chinese doctors in organ-transplant procedures in two hospitals and also banned joint research programs with China on organ transplantation. In early 2007, Israeli health insurance carriers stopped sending patients to China for transplants.
On March 16, the House of Representatives passed Resolution 605, urging the Chinese Communist Party to end its campaign against the Falun Gong and expressing "sympathy to Falun Gong practitioners and their family members who have suffered persecution, intimidation, imprisonment, torture and even death … because of adherence to their personal beliefs."
"The scale and scope of this persecution is severe," said Levi Browde, executive director for the Falun Dafa Information Center, "and with something this large, the news coverage doesn't match the scope of it. This is not a small fringe group. This is tens of millions of people. People think this is a weird fringe group but these are heartland Chinese with traditional Chinese values."
Mr. Gutmann pointed out that the White House has "no clear policy" on the Falun Gong.
"At present," he said, "the research we're presenting on this panel is a distraction at best and an annoyance at worst."
When the giant Internet search engine company Google disclosed in January that Chinese hackers had stolen information from its computers, that, he added, "was a wake-up call" to the U.S. government.
This is absolutly horrifying. I thought they stopped doing this.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... ns/Chinese accused of vast trade in organs
By Julia Duin
China's hidden policy of executing prisoners of the forbidden quasi-Buddhist group Falun Gong and harvesting their organs for worldwide sale has been expanded to include Tibetans, "house church" Christians and Muslim Uighurs, human rights activists said Monday.
In a news conference on Capitol Hill, several speakers, including attorney David Matas of B'nai Brith Canada and Ethan Gutmann of the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies, said their investigations have unearthed a grisly trade in which an estimated 9,000 members of Falun Gong have been executed for their corneas, lungs, livers, kidneys and skins.
They likened the practice to the Nazi treatment of Jewish prisoners in World War II concentration camps, which included using them for sadistic medical experiments and taking the gold fillings from the teeth of corpses.
The newest wrinkle, they said, is that organs from other religious prisoners — specifically dissidents from China's Christian, Muslim and Tibetan Buddhist communities — are also being harvested to satisfy an insatiable global demand.
"These groups are useless to the state," Mr. Gutmann said. "They are toxic, so you can't release them. But they're worth a great deal of money in terms of their organs."
Organs from just one person can fetch a total of $100,000 on the worldwide market, he added.
The Falun Dafa Information Center issued at Monday's news conference its annual report on China's persecution of Falun Gong.
The charges of organ harvesting and its spread to other religious and ethnic groups were made by the researchers and activists based on their extensive interviews with former prisoners and families of prisoners, and based on analysis of statistics, including health numbers, released by the Chinese government.
Although the practice of harvesting organs from prisoners has been documented as early as 1992 by Chinese dissident Harry Wu's Laogai Research Foundation, it was not until 2006 that the Epoch Times, a Falun Gong publication, accused the Chinese government of using its adherents for the practice.
In 2005, Chinese Vice Minister of Health Huang Jiefu acknowledged that 95 percent of all transplanted organs come from executions, said Mr. Matas, whose 2009 book "Bloody Harvest," co-written with David Kilgour of Ottawa, a former member of the Canadian Parliament, details the practice.
This is an abuse that can end," Mr. Matas said. "The Chinese may feel it can abuse the Falun Gong to stay in power, but it doesn't have to take their organs."
Falun Gong is a highly visible Buddhist revival movement that had spread across class and educational lines throughout the 1990s. The Chinese government has banned it since 1999, denouncing it as a "dangerous cult."
Founded in China in 1992 by Li Hongzhi, who now lives in the United States, it grew dramatically in only a few years. Its philosophies incorporate ideas from Buddhism and Taoism and include slow-motion meditative exercises on the principles of truthfulness, compassion and tolerance.
Its estimated membership in China is more than 70 million. Mr. Gutmann said 450,000 to 1 million Falun Gong members are in prison at any given time.
When contacted Monday, Wang Baodong, a spokesman for the Chinese Embassy, said, "The sheer lies of organ harvesting are nothing but Falun Gong's propaganda tactics.
"Sufficient facts continue to show the evil nature of Falun Gong and its harmfulness to the society and peoples human rights, though it's been trying hard to disguise itself as a peaceful movement," he added. "Over the years and as an anti-China political organization bent on undermining social stability in China and overthrowing the Chinese government, its been sparing no effort to preach cult doctrines, cheat the public, fabricate lies vilifying the Chinese governmen and engage in activities to sabotage China-U.S. relations."
In the past, Chinese government representatives have denied the allegations, saying the country abides by World Health Organization principles that prohibit the sale of human organs and require written voluntary consent from donors.
Still, in December 2006, the Australian government said it had abolished training programs for Chinese doctors in organ-transplant procedures in two hospitals and also banned joint research programs with China on organ transplantation. In early 2007, Israeli health insurance carriers stopped sending patients to China for transplants.
On March 16, the House of Representatives passed Resolution 605, urging the Chinese Communist Party to end its campaign against the Falun Gong and expressing "sympathy to Falun Gong practitioners and their family members who have suffered persecution, intimidation, imprisonment, torture and even death … because of adherence to their personal beliefs."
"The scale and scope of this persecution is severe," said Levi Browde, executive director for the Falun Dafa Information Center, "and with something this large, the news coverage doesn't match the scope of it. This is not a small fringe group. This is tens of millions of people. People think this is a weird fringe group but these are heartland Chinese with traditional Chinese values."
Mr. Gutmann pointed out that the White House has "no clear policy" on the Falun Gong.
"At present," he said, "the research we're presenting on this panel is a distraction at best and an annoyance at worst."
When the giant Internet search engine company Google disclosed in January that Chinese hackers had stolen information from its computers, that, he added, "was a wake-up call" to the U.S. government.
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I wonder where Boom gets his organs from?!
CONservative governMENt
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FiveB247x wrote:I wonder where Boom gets his organs from?!
didn't think there was a joke here but I was wrong. nice one.
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Lead tainted kidneys or melanmine coated livers... great.Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
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There's always a good joke in everything in life!pearljim10 wrote:FiveB247x wrote:I wonder where Boom gets his organs from?!
didn't think there was a joke here but I was wrong. nice one.CONservative governMENt
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis0 -
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Rabbi Kidneys will be available at walmart soon.The plural of VINYL is VINYL. slh
1996 - Randalls Island 9/28 9/29, Buffalo 10/1
1998 - Camden 8/28 8/29, East Rutherford 9/8, MSG 9/10, Hartford 9/13
2000 - Letterman 4/12, Jones Beach 8/23 8/24 8/25, Saratoga Springs 8/27
2003 - Long Island 4/30, Phoenix 6/7, MSG 7/8 7/9
2006 - San Diego 7/7
2009 - Philly IV 10/31
2010 - MSG 5/20 5/21
2011 - PJ20 Movie 9/23
2012 - EV Phoenix 4/13
2013 - Phoenix 11/19
2016 - Telluride 7/10
2018 - Boston/Fenway 9/4
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I just finished a book about the crackdown on Falun Gong. It mentioned how approx 90 Falun Gong members were beaten to death in police custody in the first year following the crackdown in 1999, but it didn't say anything about organs being sold. If this is true then it's pretty fucked-up.0
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prfctlefts wrote:When contacted Monday, Wang Baodong, a spokesman for the Chinese Embassy, said, "The sheer lies of organ harvesting are nothing but Falun Gong's propaganda tactics.
"Sufficient facts continue to show the evil nature of Falun Gong and its harmfulness to the society and peoples human rights, though it's been trying hard to disguise itself as a peaceful movement," he added. "Over the years and as an anti-China political organization bent on undermining social stability in China and overthrowing the Chinese government, its been sparing no effort to preach cult doctrines, cheat the public, fabricate lies vilifying the Chinese government and engage in activities to sabotage China-U.S. relations."
It's incredible the amount of shit the Chinese authorities spout. Falun Gong is not political in any way whatsoever. They're a purely religious group and are completely apolitical. It mainly consists of old women getting together to exercise in local parks.0 -
Cosmo wrote:Lead tainted kidneys or melanmine coated livers... great.
Don't forget that China makes the huge majority of American vaccines."May you live in interesting times."0 -
Byrnzie wrote:I just finished a book about the crackdown on Falun Gong. It mentioned how approx 90 Falun Gong members were beaten to death in police custody in the first year following the crackdown in 1999, but it didn't say anything about organs being sold. If this is true then it's pretty fucked-up.
Im pretty sure it's true. Nat geo did a doc on it. I trid to find it on you tube for you but I couldnt find it.. sorry...0 -
And the fact that anyone is executed for simply following a religion is fucked-up in itself.
This is because the Communist party are afraid of anybody organizing outside of their control.
All of the established/officially recognized religions in China are carefully monitored by the state. Because Falun Gong is not an official religion and the party refuse to recognize it they feel they have to ban it.0 -
The government there scares me. My younger brother was there last month, and absolutely loved it! Having said that, their policies are frightening, especially this sort of thing.
On a related note, I heard that the "Bodies" exhibit gets the bodies from Chinese prisoners.Believe me, when I was growin up, I thought the worst thing you could turn out to be was normal, So I say freaks in the most complementary way. Here's a song by a fellow freak - E.V0 -
the chinese government scares the hell out of me as well, i don't trust it at all. that's why i try to not buy products made in china. it seems as though the chinese are all about profit at whatever the cost. selling organs, using inferior materials in toys, dog food, toothpaste, etc.keeponrockin wrote:The government there scares me. My younger brother was there last month, and absolutely loved it! Having said that, their policies are frightening, especially this sort of thing.
On a related note, I heard that the "Bodies" exhibit gets the bodies from Chinese prisoners.0 -
stuckinline wrote:
the chinese government scares the hell out of me as well, i don't trust it at all. that's why i try to not buy products made in china. it seems as though the chinese are all about profit at whatever the cost. selling organs, using inferior materials in toys, dog food, toothpaste, etc.keeponrockin wrote:The government there scares me. My younger brother was there last month, and absolutely loved it! Having said that, their policies are frightening, especially this sort of thing.
On a related note, I heard that the "Bodies" exhibit gets the bodies from Chinese prisoners.
Corruption is the biggest problem in this country. Especially corruption within the government. I wonder how long these cocksuckers can stay in power? It's not easy to predict. They have a pretty tight lid on things, although the lid is full of cracks.0 -
Byrnzie wrote:stuckinline wrote:
the chinese government scares the hell out of me as well, i don't trust it at all. that's why i try to not buy products made in china. it seems as though the chinese are all about profit at whatever the cost. selling organs, using inferior materials in toys, dog food, toothpaste, etc.keeponrockin wrote:The government there scares me. My younger brother was there last month, and absolutely loved it! Having said that, their policies are frightening, especially this sort of thing.
On a related note, I heard that the "Bodies" exhibit gets the bodies from Chinese prisoners.
Corruption is the biggest problem in this country. Especially corruption within the government. I wonder how long these cocksuckers can stay in power? It's not easy to predict. They have a pretty tight lid on things, although the lid is full of cracks.
byrnzie, how long have you been living in china? where are you from originally? and are you planning on staying in china for a certain amount of time, or is it someplace you'd like to stay for good?9/1/00, 9/2/00, 9/3/00, 12/31/00, 3/2/01, 4/29/01, 6/21/01, 7/25/01, 8/31/01, 9/1/01, 9/2/01, 4/18/02, 8/30/02, 8/31/02, 8/31/02, 9/1/02, 9/22/02, 3/22/03, 5/6/03, 6/29/03, 8/29/03, 8/30/03, 8/30/03, 8/31/03, 2/21/04, 4/2/04, 4/3/04, 9/3/04, 9/4/04, 9/4/04, 9/5/04, 2/19/05, 7/22/05, 9/2/05, 9/3/05, 9/3/05, 9/4/05, 1/22/06, 6/7/06, 9/1/06, 9/2/06, 9/2/06, 9/3/06, 7/6/07, 8/31/07, 9/1/07, 9/1/07, 9/2/07, 3/7/08, 8/29/08, 8/30/08, 8/30/08, 8/31/08, 7/11/09, 6/4/10, 6/11/110 -
Get out! I was just at the bodies exhibit in Las Vegas... we were mentioning they looked like they were asian...keeponrockin wrote:The government there scares me. My younger brother was there last month, and absolutely loved it! Having said that, their policies are frightening, especially this sort of thing.
On a related note, I heard that the "Bodies" exhibit gets the bodies from Chinese prisoners.live pearl jam is best pearl jam0 -
I'm not sure this is true, but it IS what I've read.haffajappa wrote:
Get out! I was just at the bodies exhibit in Las Vegas... we were mentioning they looked like they were asian...keeponrockin wrote:The government there scares me. My younger brother was there last month, and absolutely loved it! Having said that, their policies are frightening, especially this sort of thing.
On a related note, I heard that the "Bodies" exhibit gets the bodies from Chinese prisoners.Believe me, when I was growin up, I thought the worst thing you could turn out to be was normal, So I say freaks in the most complementary way. Here's a song by a fellow freak - E.V0 -
moe.ron wrote:byrnzie, how long have you been living in china? where are you from originally? and are you planning on staying in china for a certain amount of time, or is it someplace you'd like to stay for good?
I'm from England. I've been here just over two years. I'm planning on heading back to England next year before traveling for a year, but I may stay here another year, and I may come back here in a couple of years time.0
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