pbs tv premier of Food, Inc.
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very interesting, it's alot to think about.
I think I need more time to digest all the facts
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Maybe I'm being a little to harsh in making such a dramatic change but to be honest I can't even look at poultry the same way. I have started reading The Omnivore's Dilemma, which is a good book and only echos what is in Food Inc.. While everyone is going to form their own opinion its definitely a interesting topic. IMO.
It made me think a lot about many of the conversations we've been having on here lately. I find it interesting/sad how, as a society, we can be so blind to all the power giant corporations have over us and especially how so many people can so vehemently defend them.
Food Inc is on http://www.Tudou.com. I finally saw it in March. From all of the reviews I had read, it sounded extremely similar to The Future Of Food (airing on http://www.hulu.com.) It was. *Yawn* I was hoping for some fascinating new insights, but it was a retread.
Two of the better books I've read are Fast Food Nation by Eric Schlosser and Food Politics by Marion Nestle.
For anyone interested in this subject, there's a really good book that looks at it from a more global perspective: Stolen Harvest: The Hijacking of the Global Food Supply, by Vandana Shiva
http://www.pbs.org
I've been realizing the last couple days how hard it would be to cut out meat completely. so I would make a lousy vegan--but maybe a vegetarian whom eats seafood and fish and dairy-- might be a more attainable goal for me? :? I'm figuring it out as I go here.
you stole my fucking avatar!
I know this cos i actually made it myself!!!
there is another choice ya know. buy free-range. it's not all or nothing.
i think food, inc. IS an important film, b/c i am honestly am amazed at how many people are or were ignorant of many practices within the food industry. so for that alone, even if it just opens a few people's eyes, makes them question, makes them make just a few better choices for themselves, for the planet, for animals...all good.
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
I thought the chickens in the film were free range. It was several thousand in a building, right?
Caged chickens are the ones crammed six in a tiny wire cage with their beak tips sliced off so they don't peck each other to death.
FREE RANGE or FREE ROAMING:
Producers must demonstrate to the Agency that the poultry has been allowed access to the outside.
http://www.fsis.usda.gov/FactSheets/Meat_&_Poultry_Labeling_Terms/index.asp
Unfortunately, access to the outside can mean cutting a small door on one corner of the building and putting a mesh pen against it. Oh, and the door is only opened a few hours each day.
Eww! Did you see that USDA definition of "meat" with quotation marks!?
this is a good alternative, at least for mexican type stuff
http://www.lightlife.com/product_detail ... groundtaco
2 more articles to make ya think
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1 ... 30,7386416
'Want a Fat Juicy Steak? Feed Cattle Cement'
from the book Mad Cow, USA:
'According to Consumers Research food editor Beatrice Trum Hunter, rendered
animal parts were only one of the unlikely new materials introduced into
the animal feed supply:
It has taken us from grass and hay feeding to such non-traditional
ingredients in animal feed as sewage sludge and treated manure. The search
for alternative substances in animal feed suited the new conditions that
arose from agricultural changes... A plethora of substances found their
way into animal feed. They included agricultural wastes... They included
retail food wastes...Slaughterhouses and tanneries provided blood,
entrails, hoofs, bristles, and feathers for use in animal feed. Some
alternative substances were ...industrial wastes such as sawdust, wood
chips, twigs, and even ground-up newspapers, and cardboard boxes. Others
were cement dust from kilns, sludge from municipal composting plants,
water from electric generating plants that used fluidized bed combustion
of coal, and waste water from nuclear power stations.....The Four
Ds..dead, dying, disabled, and diseased animals ... moisture damaged or
maggot-infested grains; foods contaminated by rodents, roaches, or bird
excreta.'
http://www.columbia.edu/~lnp3/mydocs/ecology/cattle.htm
Cattle and Capitalism
Some feedlots have begun research trials adding cardboard, newspaper, and sawdust to the feeding programs to reduce costs. Other factory farms scrape up the manure from chicken houses and pigpens, adding it directly to cattle feed. Cement dust may become a particularly attractive feed supplement in the future, according to the United States Department of Agriculture, because it produces a 30 percent faster weight gain than cattle on only regular feed. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) officials say that it's not uncommon for some feedlot operators to mix industrial sewage and oils into the feed to reduce costs and fatten animals more quickly.
At Kansas State University, scientists have experimented with plastic feed, small pellets containing 80 to 90 percent ethylene and 10 to 20 percent propylene, as an artificial form of cheap roughage to feed cattle. Researchers point to the extra savings of using the new plastic feed at slaughter time when upward of '20 pounds of the stuff from each cow's rumen can be recovered, melt[ed] down and recycle[d] into new pellets.' The new pellets are much cheaper than hay and can provide roughage requirements at a significant savings."
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
If you feel like just giving it a try, or even just consuming less meat and don't mind experimenting, below is a short list of veggie-meats that I particularly like. The ones below I really highly recommend. There is a difference between the "real thing" and the "veggie thing" (kinda like the difference between diet soda and regular soda), but I truly no longer crave meat, and I instead crave the below items.
FIELD ROAST makes very good long sausages (best when cut up and cooked into Italian food)
http://www.fieldroast.com/products.htm
Available at Whole Foods
VEGAN
-Italian sausages are the only thing I've tried (great on pizza, or with onions and peppers)
MORNINGSTAR FARMS make a huge variety of great products
http://www.morningstarfarms.com/
Available in most grocery stores
VEGETARIAN
-Sausage Patties are excellent! (though beware of their Maple ones, or of the links)
-Chik'n Patties are amazing! I recommend microwaving, then toasting them briefly to crisp up
-Chik'n Nuggets are also amazing. Same as above.
-Their Veggie Burgers are hit and miss. None bad, just some better than others.
-Their Bacon is not so hot... I cook it up rarely for a novelty, but it's not the same as the real thing
-I'm not a fan of the Italian Sausage at all, nor the Sausage Links
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QUORN makes great "chicken" products
http://www.quorn.us/
Available in many grocery stores, but in another section away from Morningstar for some reason.
VEGETARIAN
-Their unbreaded "chicken" products are great.
-I have yet to try most of their other products
LightLife/SmartDeli makes great sliced deli meats
http://www.lightlife.com/deli.jsp
Available in most grocery stores
VEGETARIAN
-I have a veggie balogna sandwich every day. Better than the real thing.
-Some of their other products are hit-and-miss.
-Their pepperoni is just "ok", but look below for a great pepperoni.
Yves makes great sliced deli meats
http://www.yvesveggie.com/
Available in most grocery stores
VEGETARIAN
-Their pepperoni is my favorite item, and much better than the LightLife one.
-I have yet to try most of the other products
Gardein makes very good products too...
*NYC 9/28/96 *NYC 9/29/96 *NJ 9/8/98 (front row "may i play drums with you")
*MSG 9/10/98 (backstage) *MSG 9/11/98 (backstage)
*Jones Beach 8/23/00 *Jones Beach 8/24/00 *Jones Beach 8/25/00
*Mansfield 8/29/00 *Mansfield 8/30/00 *Nassau 4/30/03 *Nissan VA 7/1/03
*Borgata 10/1/05 *Camden 5/27/06 *Camden 5/28/06 *DC 5/30/06
*VA Beach 6/17/08 *DC 6/22/08 *MSG 6/24/08 (backstage) *MSG 6/25/08
*EV DC 8/17/08 *EV Baltimore 6/15/09 *Philly 10/31/09
*Bristow VA 5/13/10 *MSG 5/20/10 *MSG 5/21/10
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
Dunk, I think you need to make a text avatar saying "Mervin50 steals avatars!"
*NYC 9/28/96 *NYC 9/29/96 *NJ 9/8/98 (front row "may i play drums with you")
*MSG 9/10/98 (backstage) *MSG 9/11/98 (backstage)
*Jones Beach 8/23/00 *Jones Beach 8/24/00 *Jones Beach 8/25/00
*Mansfield 8/29/00 *Mansfield 8/30/00 *Nassau 4/30/03 *Nissan VA 7/1/03
*Borgata 10/1/05 *Camden 5/27/06 *Camden 5/28/06 *DC 5/30/06
*VA Beach 6/17/08 *DC 6/22/08 *MSG 6/24/08 (backstage) *MSG 6/25/08
*EV DC 8/17/08 *EV Baltimore 6/15/09 *Philly 10/31/09
*Bristow VA 5/13/10 *MSG 5/20/10 *MSG 5/21/10
Thanks!! :thumbup:
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i've just had 3 friends in the span of 6 months who were vegetarians for over 20 years each start eating meat again ... ultimately, it came down to health for them ... they tried everything they could think of and read but they were always lethargic and in overall poor health ... now, i'm not saying you can't be healthy being vegetarian - i am totally supportive of everyone who is ... but it appears that certain people just require meat ... having said that - they've moved to eating mainly wild game, or organic meat which is what i eat except when i eat out (which is a lot :( ) ...
anyhoo - i hope you are good with it and continue to be!
have you seen the pro high fructose corn syrup ads?
here's 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVsgXPt5 ... re=related
a funny spoof on it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpGvrnjg ... re=related
another pro hfcs ad
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BJJGzbN ... re=related
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
Ha ha! Yes, I've seen them on the computer TV "networks." That spoof should have mentioned that half of all corn syrup has MERCURY in it when analysed! It broke my heart when someone told me that baby formula is made of corn syrup as its main ingredient. The next time I was at a store, I looked at a can: True.
I was listening to an interview with a man who wrote a book about GMO food. He said that Americans have eaten so much genetically modified corn and soy since 1996 that many of us now have "RoundUp Ready" intestinal flora. The invasive viruses and bacteria used to force pesticides into the DNA of crops are so successful that they move right into our bodies' microorganisms.