Salt Monitor

Godfather.

I just heard on the radio that the government wants to put a limit on the salt you use...Resturantes,ETC.
anybody hear anything else on that, is it another one of those "RIGHTS" going down the toilet thing's cause our government thinks we're too stupid to take care of our selfs ?.....what's their angle on this, fines new taxes what ? sounds like bullshit to me.

Godfather.

mikepegg44

Godfather. wrote:

I just heard on the radio that the government wants to put a limit on the salt you use...Resturantes,ETC.
anybody hear anything else on that, is it another one of those "RIGHTS" going down the toilet thing's cause our government thinks we're too stupid to take care of our selfs ?.....what's their angle on this, fines new taxes what ? sounds like bullshit to me.

Godfather.

I think it has more to do with the food companies being more honest about the amount of sodium that is in their products and limiting how much can be in there. Most of the time it is used as a preservative anyway and really isn't necessary for the flavor of the food. I don't think the government is going to require that you turn in your salt shakers or fine you for putting more salt on your food. If anything it is giving the consumer more choice as to how much salt they use. I could be wrong, but that is how I understood it to be.

FiveB247x

Why is it that everyone jumps the gun on "government infringing on people's rights" compared to having a look around our society and recognizing that people do not do their part in any manner. Then once people abuse their right and power to things, they then complain about the government attempting to offset it by things like healthcare or prevention or safeguarding. Which way do you want it people.. either be responsible and accountable and you won't have to worry about infringement... or don't complain after the fact that government has to interject to clean up the mess you created. How's that for accountability and responsibility as a good citizen?

Godfather. wrote:

I just heard on the radio that the government wants to put a limit on the salt you use...Resturantes,ETC.
anybody hear anything else on that, is it another one of those "RIGHTS" going down the toilet thing's cause our government thinks we're too stupid to take care of our selfs ?.....what's their angle on this, fines new taxes what ? sounds like bullshit to me.

Godfather.

he still stands

FiveB247x wrote:

Why is it that everyone jumps the gun on "government infringing on people's rights" compared to having a look around our society and recognizing that people do not do their part in any manner. Then once people abuse their right and power to things, they then complain about the government attempting to offset it by things like healthcare or prevention or safeguarding. Which way do you want it people.. either be responsible and accountable and you won't have to worry about infringement... or don't complain after the fact that government has to interject to clean up the mess you created. How's that for accountability and responsibility as a good citizen?

Godfather. wrote:

I just heard on the radio that the government wants to put a limit on the salt you use...Resturantes,ETC.
anybody hear anything else on that, is it another one of those "RIGHTS" going down the toilet thing's cause our government thinks we're too stupid to take care of our selfs ?.....what's their angle on this, fines new taxes what ? sounds like bullshit to me.

Godfather.

what do you mean by "people not doing their part in any manner?" People have the right to do whatever the hell they want to their own bodies. If it kills them slowly, so be it. That includes hard drugs.

edit: people SHOULD have this right. You don't. Maybe the salt thing is a little nutty but it is true when it comes to many other substances... soon to include fat and sugar, maybe sodium. Fuck man, I want to be able to buy shrooms at Wal Mart.

michelleelise

I think it'd be pretty silly to use this as an example of government infringing on rights. This is the government giving you rights back. When the salt is already added to your food, you have no choice. We should definitely cut back to more moderate levels and let people shake salt over their food if they want to kill themselves more quickly.

Godfather.

FiveB247x wrote:

Why is it that everyone jumps the gun on "government infringing on people's rights" compared to having a look around our society and recognizing that people do not do their part in any manner. Then once people abuse their right and power to things, they then complain about the government attempting to offset it by things like healthcare or prevention or safeguarding. Which way do you want it people.. either be responsible and accountable and you won't have to worry about infringement... or don't complain after the fact that government has to interject to clean up the mess you created. How's that for accountability and responsibility as a good citizen?

Godfather. wrote:

I just heard on the radio that the government wants to put a limit on the salt you use...Resturantes,ETC.
anybody hear anything else on that, is it another one of those "RIGHTS" going down the toilet thing's cause our government thinks we're too stupid to take care of our selfs ?.....what's their angle on this, fines new taxes what ? sounds like bullshit to me.

Godfather.

what dose salt consumption have do do with abuse of power ? if you have a legit answer or know what's going on with this I would love to hear it...so How's that for accountability and responsibility as a good citizen.
if I'm wrong and you can tell me I'm wrong backed with fact's I'll listen and thank you for the info, besides I asked if anyone else heard anything on it because what little I heard was kind of fishy, "on your mark get ready..set.....go !!!!

Godfather.

he still stands

michelle822 wrote:

I think it'd be pretty silly to use this as an example of government infringing on rights. This is the government giving you rights back. When the salt is already added to your food, you have no choice. We should definitely cut back to more moderate levels and let people shake salt over their food if they want to kill themselves more quickly.

right but you "vote" by buying healthier foods and your "ballot box" is where you choose to eat.

If you don't want to eat salty foods (a good idea)... don't go to McDonalds and don't buy pre-packaged foods.

Just because it doesn't meet your or my standards of quality food doesn't mean it should be illegal... that is fucking preposterous.

Godfather.

michelle822 wrote:

I think it'd be pretty silly to use this as an example of government infringing on rights. This is the government giving you rights back. When the salt is already added to your food, you have no choice. We should definitely cut back to more moderate levels and let people shake salt over their food if they want to kill themselves more quickly.

I agree with you the salt intake thing but why is the goverment getting involved ? they don't do anything
with out a tax or some kind of money changing hands.

Godfather.

FiveB247x

In the simplest form, our actions have reactions and repercussions.. Everyone has a "right" to abuse their health, but at some point if enough do it, it can and does create issues for the greater whole. In a recent example, one of the main reasons our healthcare system is so screwed up is simply because people do not take care of themselves and it creates way too much in terms of care, costs and similar. People do not want to be told they can't over-indulge on things, but don't want to accept the fact that their actions have repercussions. You can't have it all.. everyone wants their cake and to eat it too. So in my opinion, I have no issue with the government taking measures like this because in the end of the day, people are being irresponsible and don't want to hear about the mess it creates after the fact (to themselves or others - directly or indirectly).

JFK's famous line, "ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country" comes in all forms, shapes and sizes... and it all in some fashion correlates to the betterment of the nation and the greater good... the WE... not i.

Godfather. wrote:

FiveB247x wrote:

Why is it that everyone jumps the gun on "government infringing on people's rights" compared to having a look around our society and recognizing that people do not do their part in any manner. Then once people abuse their right and power to things, they then complain about the government attempting to offset it by things like healthcare or prevention or safeguarding. Which way do you want it people.. either be responsible and accountable and you won't have to worry about infringement... or don't complain after the fact that government has to interject to clean up the mess you created. How's that for accountability and responsibility as a good citizen?

Godfather. wrote:

I just heard on the radio that the government wants to put a limit on the salt you use...Resturantes,ETC.
anybody hear anything else on that, is it another one of those "RIGHTS" going down the toilet thing's cause our government thinks we're too stupid to take care of our selfs ?.....what's their angle on this, fines new taxes what ? sounds like bullshit to me.

Godfather.

what dose salt consumption have do do with abuse of power ? if you have a legit answer or know what's going on with this I would love to hear it...so How's that for accountability and responsibility as a good citizen.
if I'm wrong and you can tell me I'm wrong backed with fact's I'll listen and thank you for the info, besides I asked if anyone else heard anything on it because what little I heard was kind of fishy, "on your mark get ready..set.....go !!!!

Godfather.

michelleelise

he still stands wrote:

michelle822 wrote:

I think it'd be pretty silly to use this as an example of government infringing on rights. This is the government giving you rights back. When the salt is already added to your food, you have no choice. We should definitely cut back to more moderate levels and let people shake salt over their food if they want to kill themselves more quickly.

right but you "vote" by buying healthier foods and your "ballot box" is where you choose to eat.

If you don't want to eat salty foods (a good idea)... don't go to McDonalds and don't buy pre-packaged foods.

Just because it doesn't meet your or my standards of quality food doesn't mean it should be illegal... that is fucking preposterous.

It's not just at McDonald's, though. It's almost every processed food you'd buy at a store or restaurant and the fact is that not everyone can eat fresh fruits & veggies for every meal - a lot of people who are busy or cooking for a family rely in part of pre-packaged food as part of their meals.

I saw a chart of the increase in salt being added to foods in the past 30 years or so and it was even in foods you'd consider "sweet" like breakfast cereals and so-called healthy foods like frozen vegetables. I'll try to find it again to post it.

Jason P

High salt intake will cause most users blood pressure to be high, which leads to higher health care cost. Most food is packed with tons of sodium so it will be nice to force Kraft and other companies to reduce it a little. I don't view this as the government expanding power or restricting our freedom.

gimmesometruth27

i do not have a problem with salt/sodium restrictions. salt is used as a preservative. all processed foods, lunchmeat, frozen pizzas, ramen noodles, fast food, soda, the same foods many adults feed their kids in america are processed and loaded with preservatives. sodium is the leading cause of heart disease because it makes you retain water and makes your blood thicker so it increases your blood pressure and makes you vulnerable to heart attack and more importantly aneurysm and stroke. it is also a main cause of obesity and excessive water retention. do you take your socks off and notice a ring around your leg where the sock was, or do your ankles swell? classic sign of water retention and too much sodium. the worst part about it is these foods are loaded with double the recommended daily intake of sodium and they do not even tell or warn you about it. its on the label, yes, but who reads the labels? if you eat a frozen pizza then not only will you be over your limit of sodium for the day, but any other food you eat that day is just goig to contribute to your risk factor. also most people apply salt to things like pizza and french fries, which are already salted by wherever you buy the fries.

i do not see this as the government infringing on your right to be a big fat ass with an artery that is about to explode...i see it as a common sense way to make the public more healthy. in medicine our goal is to preserve and prolong life, and eating all of this sodium in these crappy low quality foods is counter to that. what is wrong with telling people what they are doing to their bodies? in canada, they used to put pictures of lung and mouth cancer on their cigarette packages, why can't we bt a picture of a bulging anuerism on our frozen pizzas?

another thing, heart disease is the leading cause of death in america, yet things like breast cancer foundations raise more money for awareness. we need to be more proactive in education for prevention of heart disease. lastly, we have childhood diabetes as an epidemic in this country, when do we start the war on high fructose corn syrup??

Godfather.

Jason P wrote:

High salt intake will cause most users blood pressure to be high, which leads to higher health care cost. Most food is packed with tons of sodium so it will be nice to force Kraft and other companies to reduce it a little. I don't view this as the government expanding power or restricting our freedom.

if it's not voted on in my opinion it's forced, I pay $98 for Medicare health and dental and I don't think
salt rationing will lower my payment
if it's a FDA thing for food mfg's I don't mind so much but why all the sudden now ?
I can't help thinking that there is another motive for thi$.....
seems everything is about the money our government can get from us to repay their screw-ups so I get a little suspicious when something like this comes along.

Godfather.

Godfather.

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

i do not have a problem with salt/sodium restrictions. salt is used as a preservative. all processed foods, lunchmeat, frozen pizzas, ramen noodles, fast food, soda, the same foods many adults feed their kids in america are processed and loaded with preservatives. sodium is the leading cause of heart disease because it makes you retain water and makes your blood thicker so it increases your blood pressure and makes you vulnerable to heart attack and more importantly aneurysm and stroke. it is also a main cause of obesity and excessive water retention. do you take your socks off and notice a ring around your leg where the sock was, or do your ankles swell? classic sign of water retention and too much sodium. the worst part about it is these foods are loaded with double the recommended daily intake of sodium and they do not even tell or warn you about it. its on the label, yes, but who reads the labels? if you eat a frozen pizza then not only will you be over your limit of sodium for the day, but any other food you eat that day is just goig to contribute to your risk factor. also most people apply salt to things like pizza and french fries, which are already salted by wherever you buy the fries.

i do not see this as the government infringing on your right to be a big fat ass with an artery that is about to explode...i see it as a common sense way to make the public more healthy. in medicine our goal is to preserve and prolong life, and eating all of this sodium in these crappy low quality foods is counter to that. what is wrong with telling people what they are doing to their bodies? in canada, they used to put pictures of lung and mouth cancer on their cigarette packages, why can't we bt a picture of a bulging anuerism on our frozen pizzas?

another thing, heart disease is the leading cause of death in america, yet things like breast cancer foundations raise more money for awareness. we need to be more proactive in education for prevention of heart disease. lastly, we have childhood diabetes as an epidemic in this country, when do we start the war on high fructose corn syrup??

not the frozen pizzas please...I need those

Godfather.

FiveB247x

We do not live in a real democracy... we live in a representative version... meaning, representatives vote, enforce laws and similar on our behalf. So simply saying things like "if it's not voted on - it's forced" is not realistic nor in line with our system. Also, how is this about money? Who's making profit because we're making companies report salt contents or even lower them?

Godfather. wrote:

if it's not voted on in my opinion it's forced, I pay $98 for Medicare health and dental and I don't think salt rationing will lower my payment
if it's a FDA thing for food mfg's I don't mind so much but why all the sudden now ?
I can't help thinking that there is another motive for thi$.....
seems everything is about the money our government can get from us to repay their screw-ups so I get a little suspicious when something like this comes along.

Godfather.

Godfather.

FiveB247x wrote:

We do not live in a real democracy... we live in a representative version... meaning, representatives vote, enforce laws and similar on our behalf. So simply saying things like "if it's not voted on - it's forced" is not realistic nor in line with our system. Also, how is this about money? Who's making profit because we're making companies report salt contents or even lower them?

Godfather. wrote:

if it's not voted on in my opinion it's forced, I pay $98 for Medicare health and dental and I don't think salt rationing will lower my payment
if it's a FDA thing for food mfg's I don't mind so much but why all the sudden now ?
I can't help thinking that there is another motive for thi$.....
seems everything is about the money our government can get from us to repay their screw-ups so I get a little suspicious when something like this comes along.

Godfather.

yeah I know...... "we live in a representative version"
and when they don't prove the salt usage to be lower there will be a fine and a added tax to create a salt watchers task force

Godfather.

gimmesometruth27

Godfather. wrote:

FiveB247x wrote:

We do not live in a real democracy... we live in a representative version... meaning, representatives vote, enforce laws and similar on our behalf. So simply saying things like "if it's not voted on - it's forced" is not realistic nor in line with our system. Also, how is this about money? Who's making profit because we're making companies report salt contents or even lower them?

Godfather. wrote:

if it's not voted on in my opinion it's forced, I pay $98 for Medicare health and dental and I don't think salt rationing will lower my payment
if it's a FDA thing for food mfg's I don't mind so much but why all the sudden now ?
I can't help thinking that there is another motive for thi$.....
seems everything is about the money our government can get from us to repay their screw-ups so I get a little suspicious when something like this comes along.

Godfather.

yeah I know...... "we live in a representative version"
and when they don't prove the salt usage to be lower there will be a fine and a added tax to create a salt watchers task force

Godfather.

its not like they are going to fine YOU, they will fine the maunfacturers of the crappy sodium-laden processed food.

why do you think you will be punished or your "rights" infringed upon all the time?

FiveB247x

The slippery slope theory usually doesn't pan out. And how come it's just held against the government. How come you don't apply it to the same thought processes and issues in the other direction? You know like allowing citizens the right to bear arms will result in more violence... or now monitoring food will automatically mean everyone will get fat and sickly? Use it in both directions if you're going to apply it and it will show you how silly a theory it really is.

Godfather. wrote:

yeah I know...... "we live in a representative version"
and when they don't prove the salt usage to be lower there will be a fine and a added tax to create a salt watchers task force

Godfather.

he still stands

Jesus christ I don't understand people anymore. Lets just make everything illegal or controlled somehow...

if you don't want to eat salty foods, buy fresh meat, fruit, vegetables, starches, etc. Shop for stuff that has zero or low sodium. There is plenty of it out there. We don't need to tell Tubby McButterpants that he can't have a double cheeseburger and a gallon of fries with 20,000 mg of sodium. If that is what he wants to eat, fine. NONE of our business.

If that is what he eats, THAT is why there is a market for it. No need to punish the vendor either, unless you're all for social engineering. You know, like Hitler.

:evil:

FiveB247x

Do you feel the same way for the legalization of all drugs? Or perhaps we have too many laws to begin with, so why not just let people do as they please and no government intervention of any sort and we can let the cards fall as they may?

he still stands wrote:

Jesus christ I don't understand people anymore. Lets just make everything illegal or controlled somehow...

if you don't want to eat salty foods, buy fresh meat, fruit, vegetables, starches, etc. Shop for stuff that has zero or low sodium. There is plenty of it out there. We don't need to tell Tubby McButterpants that he can't have a double cheeseburger and a gallon of fries with 20,000 mg of sodium. If that is what he wants to eat, fine. NONE of our business.

If that is what he eats, THAT is why there is a market for it. No need to punish the vendor either, unless you're all for social engineering. You know, like Hitler.

:evil:

he still stands

FiveB247x wrote:

Do you feel the same way for the legalization of all drugs? Or perhaps we have too many laws to begin with, so why not just let people do as they please and no government intervention of any sort and we can let the cards fall as they may?

he still stands wrote:

Jesus christ I don't understand people anymore. Lets just make everything illegal or controlled somehow...

if you don't want to eat salty foods, buy fresh meat, fruit, vegetables, starches, etc. Shop for stuff that has zero or low sodium. There is plenty of it out there. We don't need to tell Tubby McButterpants that he can't have a double cheeseburger and a gallon of fries with 20,000 mg of sodium. If that is what he wants to eat, fine. NONE of our business.

If that is what he eats, THAT is why there is a market for it. No need to punish the vendor either, unless you're all for social engineering. You know, like Hitler.

:evil:

Yes, I do feel the same way about all drugs.

"Do what thou wilt and hurt none shall be the whole of the law."