what would be E. VEDDER'S success if ANDREW WOOD was alive?

mnesbitt

would have MOTHER LOVE BONE have made it to superstar success without EDDIE VEDDER and a name change....I SAY HELL NO! Proof good things can come from a death....

catefrances

nice.

Wilds

hmmmmm.

saveyou22

if you read and study the history of any great band its almost always a case of an alignment of rare circumstances that brings the right group a musicians together that just click and then IT happens. At least in Andy Woods case, his death may have been the launching point to millions of peoples emotional journey. His spirit is definatly prevelent in the bands history.

jeffbr

mnesbitt wrote:

would have MOTHER LOVE BONE have made it to superstar success without EDDIE VEDDER and a name change....I SAY HELL NO! Proof good things can come from a death....

You didn't even answer your own question you posed in the thread title. The answer is likely that Ed would be working at a gas station and playing coffee shops on the weekend.

I agree that Ed definitely helped create a band more successful and with more potential than MLB. But don't fool yourself. It was a collaborative effort, and Ed didn't singlehandedly rescue Stone and Jeff if that was what you're implying.

moses-i

Looking at things objectively, I think that Ed's success can be attribute to Stone and Jeff and not vice versa.

Stone and Jeff were in two important bands, Green River and Mother Love Bone, the latter being on a "major" label. Whereas Ed had been in a band with little output (maybe a limited pressing single or a demo), albeit Bad Radio was supposed to have a pretty decent local following. Obviously it didn't hurt that Stone and Jeff had the whole Andy Wood's death angle to play off of (new band rising from the ashes of tragedy sort of thing). Also Pearl Jam's sound had a lot more in common with Green River and MLB than Bad Radio. I think that MAYBE Ed would have eventually done something with Jack Irons, but maybe it would have been on par with Irons' Elevan project.

Who knows really.

The real question is what would have happened to Stone Temple Pilots, Nickelback, Creed, etc if Andy Wood had never died?

badbrains

Ed is a chosen ONE so I believe somehow we'd all be on some board yapping about him and his other band.

Horos

jeffbr wrote:

mnesbitt wrote:

would have MOTHER LOVE BONE have made it to superstar success without EDDIE VEDDER and a name change....I SAY HELL NO! Proof good things can come from a death....

You didn't even answer your own question you posed in the thread title. The answer is likely that Ed would be working at a gas station and playing coffee shops on the weekend.

I agree that Ed definitely helped create a band more successful and with more potential than MLB. But don't fool yourself. It was a collaborative effort, and Ed didn't singlehandedly rescue Stone and Jeff if that was what you're implying.

Agreed.

We'd all be saying, "Eddie who?"

dcfaithful

Horos wrote:

jeffbr wrote:

mnesbitt wrote:

would have MOTHER LOVE BONE have made it to superstar success without EDDIE VEDDER and a name change....I SAY HELL NO! Proof good things can come from a death....

You didn't even answer your own question you posed in the thread title. The answer is likely that Ed would be working at a gas station and playing coffee shops on the weekend.

I agree that Ed definitely helped create a band more successful and with more potential than MLB. But don't fool yourself. It was a collaborative effort, and Ed didn't singlehandedly rescue Stone and Jeff if that was what you're implying.

Agreed.

We'd all be saying, "Eddie who?"

Agreed as well.

I think what I've bolded is an important thing to remember. Pearl Jam isn't just Ed. Sure, I think he was the missing element to an amazing band, but PJ is a collaboration of great, creative musicians...and Ed just helped perfect it.

It's all about who you know. Luckily, Ed knew Jack Irons...Jack Irons knew the rest of the boys.

Indifference71

I've thought about this countless times. It is crazy the things that took place for this band to come together. But, I definitely like how things have worked out.

goldrush

In some parallel universe we're all posting threads on Green River's message board!

If Green River hadn't split we wouldn't have had Mother Love Bone or Mudhoney. If there was no Mother Love Bone, would Andy Wood still have died?... Would Green River have been as successful in the 90's as Mudhoney were?

I still think Ed and Mike would have surfaced somewhere along the way, they're too good at what they do to not be successful, but Stone and Jeff are the reason that we're all here now.

youngster

Maybe Eddie would have been the lead singer of Creed.

craigb

moses-i wrote:

The real question is what would have happened to Stone Temple Pilots, Nickelback, Creed, etc if Andy Wood had never died?

I like this thought.

scottstappsucks

moses-i wrote:

The real question is what would have happened to Stone Temple Pilots, Nickelback, Creed, etc if Andy Wood had never died?

Putting STP in the same sentence as Nickelback and Creed is ludicrous and ignorant. STP formed a few years before Pearl Jam and had written many of their songs including Wicked Garden, Piece of Pie, Naked Sunday, and Where The River Goes. The proof is that they did a demo that is available online in 1990 that featured those songs, they also wrote many of the Core songs in 1991. STP would have have still become hugely successful without Pearl Jam existing. Core sounds somewhat similar to Ten in certain parts because many of the Grunge era bands had similar rock/punk influences so obviously there were similarities. STP and Pearl Jam's following albums sounded NOTHING alike. Core itself also has many difference from Ten, I'd say Weiland's voice was very influenced by funk on the record, he says he's a James Brown fan.

Creed and Nickelback started years after Pearl Jam/STP/AIC/Nirvana/etc. and wouldn't have existed without those bands.

dimitrispearljam

you think this alone or u got help?

luxpjamer

youngster wrote:

Maybe Eddie would have been the lead singer of Creed.

Isn't he ? The guy sounds like Ed singing at toilet...

youngster

luxpjamer wrote:

youngster wrote:

Maybe Eddie would have been the lead singer of Creed.

Isn't he ? The guy sounds like Ed singing at toilet...

Well said.

dimitrispearljam

youngster wrote:

luxpjamer wrote:

youngster wrote:

Maybe Eddie would have been the lead singer of Creed.

Isn't he ? The guy sounds like Ed singing at toilet...

Well said.

blondieblue227

goldrush wrote:

I still think Ed and Mike would have surfaced somewhere along the way, they're too good at what they do to not be successful, but Stone and Jeff are the reason that we're all here now.

i agree.
i'd like to think you can't hold talent back.
mike and ed worked too hard on their musical chops for it not to go anywhere. they had/have drive.

Yellow Ledbelly

What's that line Ed says in the MSG dvd...the one about playing in a places that smell like piss if not for Jeff and Stone? I guess it's quite likely we never would've heard of him.

I would say it is also equally as likely that Jeff and Stone would have faded from our musical radar a long time ago if not for Ed. MLB, at least to me, was in no way destined to be around for 20-plus years.

DewieCox

blondieblue227 wrote:

goldrush wrote:

I still think Ed and Mike would have surfaced somewhere along the way, they're too good at what they do to not be successful, but Stone and Jeff are the reason that we're all here now.

i agree.
i'd like to think you can't hold talent back.
mike and ed worked too hard on their musical chops for it not to go anywhere. they had/have drive.

There are players that work harder at their chops, and are light years better than either of these guys, known and unknown.

Lucky for them rock and roll isn't all about precision.

It really is almost destiny for any band to make it big. There's certainly things that help your chances, though.

If greatness rises to the top, why do supergroups hardly ever work?

moses-i

scottstappsucks wrote:

Putting STP in the same sentence as Nickelback and Creed is ludicrous and ignorant.

Ludicrous and ignorant? No, you making a huge deal out of a joke is ludicrous and ignorant. Nonetheless, you opened up the argument. It doesn't matter when Core was written. What matters is that it was released a full year after TEN. It's been pretty much a common joke since the release of Core that STP were "ripping off" Pearl Jam. I'm not even really suggesting that Scott Weiland was trying to sound like Ed, BUT it doesn't change the fact that having similar singing style as Ed probably didn't hurt record sales. Anyway, how do you explain the total change in style AFTER Core and all the Pearl Jam comparisons (and in my opinion when STP actually started to be good)? More likely than not, Weiland got sick of the comparisons and (wisely) chose to distance himself from all that. Again, I never said that he intentionally copied Ed`s style but that the similarities probably helped the band break.

certainly, i think stp are a great band whereas creed and nickelback are nonsense.

mnesbitt

answering my own question: EDDIE VEDDER IS A POET AMONGST MUSICIANS AND NO MATTER if HE COLLABERATED WITH STONE AND JEFF HE WOULD HAVE FOUND SUCCESS THROUGH HIS OWN WORDS

dunkman

mnesbitt wrote:

answering my own question: EDDIE VEDDER IS A POET AMONGST MUSICIANS AND NO MATTER if HE COLLABERATED WITH STONE AND JEFF HE WOULD HAVE FOUND SUCCESS THROUGH HIS OWN WORDS

success as a gas attendant maybe.

blondieblue227

A successful gas attendant.

dunkman

blondieblue227 wrote:

A successful gas attendant.

you really should read the post above you before you post

dimitrispearljam

dunkman wrote:

blondieblue227 wrote:

A successful gas attendant.

you really should read the post above you before you post

blondieblue227

my comment was a joke. looks like D got the joke. :?

yes i just repeated what you said. because it struck me as funny.

sorry

continue the debate.