obama is a monkey.. racism in the banana state

catefrances

someone needs to educate this young man.


http://sify.com/news/young-liberal-in-o ... ajfjh.html


http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010 ... 874581.htm

FiveB247x

Maybe it's me, but I don't think every word out of every person's mouth needs or is worthy of a reply. We live in an overly sensitive world, where everyone is so easily offended. This isn't racism, it's stupidity.. .and not even ignorance... it would only be that if he meant it. Anyways, that's my 2 cents on that silly honky.

catefrances

so he didnt mean it?? we allow this to slide cause this guy didnt mean it?? you cant just say what you want and dismiss it as humour when you get called on it.

FiveB247x

perhaps he meant it, perhaps it was a joke... who the hell cares? does it matter in any significant manner of life at all? honestly, really? i dont see daily outrage or complaints of the KKK existence or Aryan groups who can actually mean and intend harm, yet any retard with a blog or twitter account needs to be reprimanded by a stupid joke or comment? he's a med student.. who gives a crap what he thinks.. how bout that?

catefrances wrote:

so he didnt mean it?? we allow this to slide cause this guy didnt mean it?? you cant just say what you want and dismiss it as humour when you get called on it.

catefrances

FiveB247x wrote:

perhaps he meant it, perhaps it was a joke... who the hell cares? does it matter in any significant manner of life at all? honestly, really? i dont see daily outrage or complaints of the KKK existence or Aryan groups who can actually mean and intend harm, yet any retard with a blog or twitter account needs to be reprimanded by a stupid joke or comment? he's a med student.. who gives a crap what he thinks.. how bout that?

any level of racism shouldnt be tolerated. and damn straight people should speak out about the KKK and their bullshit. why dont they anyway?? it doesnt matter if hes a 'retard' or an aryan organisation. they should be called on their racist crap, every. single. time. no matter who it is.

Godfather.

what happened to free speach ?
what about the people on T.V that call white people names like "snow flake" "honkey" "cracker"
I can't believe a tweeter post from a collage student has got this much attention,
also I'm sick of hearing about this shit..move on people crap like this is just adding to the problem.
when I hear a person of another race call a white person a name cause of their skin color
I just kinda laugh but if a white person dose the same the friggin world goes up in arms....why ???
GODFATHER.

FiveB247x

why do you think it is when actual racism, hatred and discrimination occurs in our society or world, we seem to be rather passe about it, yet anytime the smallest amount peeks it head out, many go bonkers? seems rather silly in my opinion and this is a clear example of it to me. no one seems to mind about racial profiling, laws and practices which inherently target minorities to prison (why we have such a large prison population) or simple allowed/acceptable hatred to gays in our society? so do i really care if some jerkoff with a twitter account posts a poorly tasted joke or even meant it? everyone's false sense of morality in our nation is rather hypocritical to say the least.

catefrances wrote:

FiveB247x wrote:

perhaps he meant it, perhaps it was a joke... who the hell cares? does it matter in any significant manner of life at all? honestly, really? i dont see daily outrage or complaints of the KKK existence or Aryan groups who can actually mean and intend harm, yet any retard with a blog or twitter account needs to be reprimanded by a stupid joke or comment? he's a med student.. who gives a crap what he thinks.. how bout that?

any level of racism shouldnt be tolerated. and damn straight people should speak out about the KKK and their bullshit. why dont they anyway?? it doesnt matter if hes a 'retard' or an aryan organisation. they should be called on their racist crap, every. single. time. no matter who it is.

nuffingman

I think this guy should be punished for being an arse, nothing more. As Godfather said "when I hear a person of another race call a white person a name cause of their skin color I just kinda laugh." I think we can all get too sensative sometimes.

A guy gave me a verbal bashing years ago when he heard me call my extremely darkly tanned friend a black f**ker. It didn't seem to matter my mate had just called me a white c**t, and we were both laughing our heads off. The guy was told to piss off by two opposite coloured people who were still laughing and drinking together.

Let's relax.

catefrances

FiveB247x wrote:

why do you think it is when actual racism, hatred and discrimination occurs in our society or world, we seem to be rather passe about it, yet anytime the smallest amount peeks it head out, many go bonkers? seems rather silly in my opinion and this is a clear example of it to me. no one seems to mind about racial profiling, laws and practices which inherently target minorities to prison (why we have such a large prison population) or simple allowed/acceptable hatred to gays in our society? so do i really care if some jerkoff with a twitter account posts a poorly tasted joke or even meant it? everyone's false sense of morality in our nation is rather hypocritical to say the least.

im not in your country. and of all the animals in the animal kingdom this guy decides on calling a black man a monkey??? hmmm

FiveB247x

yeah and what's your point? if its a joke, who cares...and if he's serious, he's entitled to be a racist.. thats free speech.. not saying its a smart, educated decision, but it his right to do so. anyways, the pc police never helped anything or one as far as i'm concerned, so why start now?

catefrances wrote:

FiveB247x wrote:

why do you think it is when actual racism, hatred and discrimination occurs in our society or world, we seem to be rather passe about it, yet anytime the smallest amount peeks it head out, many go bonkers? seems rather silly in my opinion and this is a clear example of it to me. no one seems to mind about racial profiling, laws and practices which inherently target minorities to prison (why we have such a large prison population) or simple allowed/acceptable hatred to gays in our society? so do i really care if some jerkoff with a twitter account posts a poorly tasted joke or even meant it? everyone's false sense of morality in our nation is rather hypocritical to say the least.

im not in your country. and of all the animals in the animal kingdom this guy decides on calling a black man a monkey??? hmmm

catefrances

Godfather. wrote:

what happened to free speach ?
what about the people on T.V that call white people names like "snow flake" "honkey" "cracker"
I can't believe a tweeter post from a collage student has got this much attention,
also I'm sick of hearing about this shit..move on people crap like this is just adding to the problem.
when I hear a person of another race call a white person a name cause of their skin color
I just kinda laugh but if a white person dose the same the friggin world goes up in arms....why ???
GODFATHER.

here in australia, where this incident originated, we dont have a bill of rights therefore we dont have the right of free speech. but what we do need to do is take responsibility and perhaps stop and think for a moment before we open our mouths in a derogatory manner.

do you really think that people should be allowed to say whatever the hell they want and then run and hide behind the billl of rights?? just because we can doesnt mean we should.

FiveB247x

yes accountability and responsibility are the key here. who is he hurting exactly by making a poor joke or racist comment on twitter? has the old saying of sticks and stones changed? perhaps people are too overly sensitive backed by a false sense of moral justice? and things like free speech aren't merely there to protect your right to believe and say things you believe, but rather the one's you don't.

catefrances wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

what happened to free speach ?
what about the people on T.V that call white people names like "snow flake" "honkey" "cracker"
I can't believe a tweeter post from a collage student has got this much attention,
also I'm sick of hearing about this shit..move on people crap like this is just adding to the problem.
when I hear a person of another race call a white person a name cause of their skin color
I just kinda laugh but if a white person dose the same the friggin world goes up in arms....why ???
GODFATHER.

here in australia, where this incident originated, we dont have a bill of rights therefore we dont have the right of free speech. but what we do need to do is take responsibility and perhaps stop and think for a moment before we open our mouths in a derogatory manner.

do you really think that people should be allowed to say whatever the hell they want and then run and hide behind the billl of rights?? just because we can doesnt mean we should.

nuffingman

catefrances wrote:

here in australia, where this incident originated, we dont have a bill of rights therefore we dont have the right of free speech. but what we do need to do is take responsibility and perhaps stop and think for a moment before we open our mouths in a derogatory manner.

And as I said in my post this guy should be punished for being an arse but nothing more. He just didn't think.

catefrances

FiveB247x wrote:

yes accountability and responsibility are the key here. who is he hurting exactly by making a poor joke or racist comment on twitter? has the old saying of sticks and stones changed? perhaps people are too overly sensitive backed by a false sense of moral justice? and things like free speech aren't merely there to protect your right to believe and say things you believe, but rather the one's you don't.

oh shit.. youre one of those people who thinks words are harmless.

nuffingman wrote:

And as I said in my post this guy should be punished for being an arse but nothing more. He just didn't think.

oh i agree he was being an arse. and he absolutely didnt think. but i still dont think we should just laugh it off. someone needs to educate this young man as to what is acceptable and what isnt. im not suggesting he be hung drawn and quartered, just taken aside and be made aware of how inappropriate his words are. though im sure hes realising that now irregardless of him trying to pass it off as just humour.

Godfather.

comidians do this kind of humor all the time..comidians of all color do it and it's just that ....a freakin joke !
and everybody laughs.

Godfather.

FiveB247x

actions speak louder than words...and in this instance/example.. its some dumb comment.. nothing more.. lecturing from the moral high ground doesn't educate people, by the way.. he's an adult, not a child, so wagging the finger or similar really doesn't change much... and considering in this case, he's a med student, perhaps, it was just a dumb comment and he now recognizes why it wasn't the smartest thing to do. no need to climb mount pious as political correctness doesn't change human behavior in any fashion.

also, and i'm sure i'll take some comments for this... humor adds levity to life. in my opinion, anything and everything can be funny.. and if everyone weren't so wound up and overly sensitive about life, history and similar, it would help educate and make people better off.

catefrances wrote:

oh shit.. youre one of those people who thinks words are harmless.

oh i agree he was being an arse. and he absolutely didnt think. but i still dont think we should just laugh it off. someone needs to educate this young man as to what is acceptable and what isnt. im not suggesting he be hung drawn and quartered, just taken aside and be made aware of how inappropriate his words are. though im sure hes realising that now irregardless of him trying to pass it off as just humour.

nuffingman

catefrances wrote:

oh i agree he was being an arse. and he absolutely didnt think. but i still dont think we should just laugh it off. someone needs to educate this young man as to what is acceptable and what isnt. im not suggesting he be hung drawn and quartered, just taken aside and be made aware of how inappropriate his words are. though im sure hes realising that now irregardless of him trying to pass it off as just humour.

Yes, educating him is the right thing. But on a lighter side here's a similar image to one sent to me years ago by my very black friend. He called it "You sunbathing at the North Pole". I thought it was hilarious. Of course I sent a response.

cajunkiwi

nuffingman wrote:

catefrances wrote:

oh i agree he was being an arse. and he absolutely didnt think. but i still dont think we should just laugh it off. someone needs to educate this young man as to what is acceptable and what isnt. im not suggesting he be hung drawn and quartered, just taken aside and be made aware of how inappropriate his words are. though im sure hes realising that now irregardless of him trying to pass it off as just humour.

Yes, educating him is the right thing. But on a lighter side here's a similar image to one sent to me years ago by my very black friend. He called it "You sunbathing at the North Pole". I thought it was hilarious. Of course I sent a response.

That is actually pretty funny lol

But I also think there's a difference between joking around with a friend you know, and making a joke about an ethnic group you maybe haven't always had the closest relationship with. Race in America is a touchy subject because black people used to be owned as possessions. It's easy for white people to laugh off jokes about themselves when they've always been in the majority, it might not be as funny to an African American whose family tree has pink slips stapled to the branches. As a cracker myself, I have no idea what it's like being a black guy in America, so that's just a guess on my part. Europeans have a fairly long history of oppressing and killing off various ethnic groups, so to some people it may be a touchy subject (you could go and make jokes about Native Americans to their faces, though you'd have to spend quite a while looking for them first). Australia also doesn't have the best history when it comes to race relations, so it's understandable that an Aussie finds the joke to be a sensitive subject - and their racial problems continued after the Equal Rights Amendment was passed into law in America.

So that's my two cents... racial humor is slightly different when the joke comes at the expense of someone you don't know whose own ethnic group is one that has been traditionally heavily persecuted against. Some people don't mind the jokes, because they made peace with their past. Others haven't made peace, so to them the jokes are more inappropriate. At the end of the day though, it isn't up to the people who oppressed the minorities to decide when it is okay to make the jokes at their expense.

If you want two more of my cents (four cents for the price of two - a bargain!) life would be so much easier if we spent more time celebrating our differences. In New Zealand, we don't have many problems between Maori and Pakeha (white people) because we celebrate the Maori culture a lot. We know Maori and Pakeha are different, and the two cultures are celebrated side-by-side. The end result? We can make fun of each other without fear of offending people more easily, because people on both sides know the jokes aren't personal. The Maori are on equal footing with the Pakeha in NZ, despite only making up 17% of the population - there isn't the same friction between the two groups as there is in America, where all too often black & white seem to be eyeing each other like they're opponents in a wild west shootout. When I first moved to Louisiana 10 years ago I started dating a black girl, and my host family told me she wasn't welcome in their house. I have a neighbor now who fired her landscapers because she found out they employed black people and she didn't want "those people" hanging around her house. When people can move past that stupid way of looking at the races and see each other as equals, then the jokes can fly and nobody will get hurt. But, until then, there's going to be problems. It takes more than just giving people the right to ride on the same bus and drink from the same fountain as you though. It takes actually moving past the feeling of revulsion some people have towards other people based on nothing more than the color of their skin.

That being said, it's worth noting that the under-50 crowd here seems MUCH more enlightened than the over-50 crowd. There is light at the end of the tunnel - and that light will be armed with a lot of jokes. And that's good, because I have a lot of jokes (note: I can also take a joke, so if the Aussie OP wants to fire sheep jokes my way, go for it - but I have a million Aussie jokes I can reply with, most also involving sheep. Of course, at least neither of us are that guy from South Carolina who got arrested for having sex with a horse. Twice. Same horse, both times.)

catefrances

nuffingman wrote:

catefrances wrote:

oh i agree he was being an arse. and he absolutely didnt think. but i still dont think we should just laugh it off. someone needs to educate this young man as to what is acceptable and what isnt. im not suggesting he be hung drawn and quartered, just taken aside and be made aware of how inappropriate his words are. though im sure hes realising that now irregardless of him trying to pass it off as just humour.

Yes, educating him is the right thing. But on a lighter side here's a similar image to one sent to me years ago by my very black friend. He called it "You sunbathing at the North Pole". I thought it was hilarious. Of course I sent a response.

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i think theres a difference bewtween someone saying youre extremely white and someone calling a black man a monkey. as i said there are so many animals out there. he coulda called obama a horses arse. theres no racial connotation there.

FiveB247x

Sounds a bit like racial over-sensitivity to me. Do you honestly think the person making the comments put half as much thought or effort into it as you are critiquing the comment? I think it's very doubtful.

catefrances wrote:

i think theres a difference bewtween someone saying youre extremely white and someone calling a black man a monkey. as i said there are so many animals out there. he coulda called obama a horses arse. theres no racial connotation there.

catefrances

FiveB247x wrote:

Sounds a bit like racial over-sensitivity to me. Do you honestly think the person making the comments put half as much thought or effort into it as you are critiquing the comment? I think it's very doubtful.

clearly he didnt. if he had he wouldnt have said what he said. and that is my point.

FiveB247x

So basically you thinks it's more offensive because it could have some racial tone to it even though it's a not really a well thought-out comment? Would you be as upset perhaps if some other med student said Obama is a stupid mother f'er? Is this not offensive or perhaps you could just as easily say he's saying this because he's racist or doesn't like black people? My point is, how much of all this is really just the reader/society applying their pre-conceived notions of morality towards a comment which could be taken in various ways?

catefrances wrote:

FiveB247x wrote:

Sounds a bit like racial over-sensitivity to me. Do you honestly think the person making the comments put half as much thought or effort into it as you are critiquing the comment? I think it's very doubtful.

clearly he didnt. if he had he wouldnt have said what he said. and that is my point.

catefrances

Starfall

Godfather. wrote:

comidians do this kind of humor all the time..comidians of all color do it and it's just that ....a freakin joke !
and everybody laughs.

Godfather.

This wasn't a comedic venue. This guy was a representative of an established Australian political party, and he compared the President of the United States to a monkey - any thinking person would immediately see the racist aspect of it, and this guy was guilty of either outright racism or extremely poor judgment. In either event, I don't blame the Liberals for considering expulsion.

Besides, as the later article stated:
Young LNP Queensland president Rod Schneider says Mr Sowden's comments are not the views of the Young Liberals and he welcomes the LNP's move to expel him from the party.
He says this was the latest in a "long line of indiscretions" from Mr Sowden.

Also note for American readers - in Australia, despite the term "Liberal", the LNP is actually the equivalent of the American Republican Party.

FiveB247x

Actually if you read one of those articles, it clearly states he made these comments from his own personal twitter account - but the political group is dismissing him because of how it reflects on them. Doesn't make it any better or worse, but he wasn't making any comments on behalf or in representation of this group of which he was a member.

Starfall wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

comidians do this kind of humor all the time..comidians of all color do it and it's just that ....a freakin joke !
and everybody laughs.

Godfather.

This wasn't a comedic venue. This guy was a representative of an established Australian political party, and he compared the President of the United States to a monkey - any thinking person would immediately see the racist aspect of it, and this guy was guilty of either outright racism or extremely poor judgment. In either event, I don't blame the Liberals for considering expulsion.

Besides, as the later article stated:
Young LNP Queensland president Rod Schneider says Mr Sowden's comments are not the views of the Young Liberals and he welcomes the LNP's move to expel him from the party.
He says this was the latest in a "long line of indiscretions" from Mr Sowden.

Also note for American readers - in Australia, despite the term "Liberal", the LNP is actually the equivalent of the American Republican Party.

Godfather.

this guy compared obama to a monkey and that's racist ? I remember Bush being compared to a monkey and nobody screamed racism...lets see.. republican's and dem's..elephants and ass's ?....I smell a racism issue here .......so ez a caveman can do it. :shock:
anybody ever heard the term "a monkey fu**ing a football" ? as far as I know it had nothing to do with color
it simply meant that person did not know how to do their job (acting funny like a monkey).
in all honesty I missed the tweeter thing did he say obama looked like a monkey because he is black ?
or did he say a monkey could do a better job as president ?
I am aginst racism and we raise our son the same way "people are people" but this crap has got so out of hand that people have to pick their words carefully as not to offend somebody else, as I said before MOVE ON !
life is just too short to deal with this stuff.

Godfather.

Starfall

Except that there's a long history of black people being referred to as monkeys, apes, or other subhuman species, and not just by American racists.
This isn't just some random thing.

Godfather.

Starfall wrote:

Except that there's a long history of black people being referred to as monkeys, apes, or other subhuman species, and not just by American racists.
This isn't just some random thing.

and it will never go away as long people react the way they are now, all this got me thinking..my wife is 50% filipino and 50% german but looks filipino for the most part and in 20+ years I have never heard her speak of or refer to anybody in a racist manor,in our house there is no racism we are all just people trying to get by,I'm know that it's out there but why subscribe to it or help to keep it alive with forums and other outlets, it just baffles me.

Godfather.

FiveB247x

Isn't it ironic that all this racism and black people being referred to as monkeys is merely a failure of humans to evolve mentally? Or how about the fact, that most people in the our nation have no real correlation to the terrible racism that truly existed in which their ancestors had to endure. Which is exactly why I keep saying we have become an overly sensitive society. Yes there is racism and much to still fix, but people saying it now, more times than not have never felt, seen or experienced such in the real true forms it once existed. So who cares about some jackass making a twitter comment? Everyone has thin skin, and feels their particular race, culture, minority or religion has to be represented, embellished and appreciated by everyone and if anyone says anything otherwise, it's discriminatory and outrageous. It's really a pathetic manner of self-identifying one's self. No one in America is truly an American... and until people get past that, we'll always be a mush-mash of people who have race issues and yes even from a stupid twitter comment.

Starfall wrote:

Except that there's a long history of black people being referred to as monkeys, apes, or other subhuman species, and not just by American racists.
This isn't just some random thing.

Godfather.

nuffingman wrote:

catefrances wrote:

oh i agree he was being an arse. and he absolutely didnt think. but i still dont think we should just laugh it off. someone needs to educate this young man as to what is acceptable and what isnt. im not suggesting he be hung drawn and quartered, just taken aside and be made aware of how inappropriate his words are. though im sure hes realising that now irregardless of him trying to pass it off as just humour.

Yes, educating him is the right thing. But on a lighter side here's a similar image to one sent to me years ago by my very black friend. He called it "You sunbathing at the North Pole". I thought it was hilarious. Of course I sent a response.

LOL!!! that's me in the summer time.

Godfather.

Brock Samson

Godfather. wrote:

comidians do this kind of humor all the time..comidians of all color do it and it's just that ....a freakin joke !
and everybody laughs.

Godfather.

didn't chris rock say "this place is cracka lackin" in the disney movie madagascar when the characters were on the island off the coast of africa? is that racist?