Vatican - "New policy... report sex crimes"
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AP - The Vatican.... made it clear for the first time that bishops and other high-ranking clerics should report such crimes [sexual abuse] to police if required by law.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100412/ap_ ... urch_abuse
-- I don't even know what to say... logically, this means that previously the policy was to conceal sex abuse? Is this the Catholic church or NAMBLA??? And only "if required by law." :shock:
Methinks the Catholic church needs to crawl out of the dark ages.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100412/ap_ ... urch_abuse
-- I don't even know what to say... logically, this means that previously the policy was to conceal sex abuse? Is this the Catholic church or NAMBLA??? And only "if required by law." :shock:
Methinks the Catholic church needs to crawl out of the dark ages.
Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.
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Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
if required by law.
really??
fucked up is what it is.
"To question your government is not unpatriotic --
to not question your government is unpatriotic."
-- Sen. Chuck Hagel
Alpine Valley Resort is etched in my brain!!!
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
i figured it applied someplace in that racket
Alpine Valley Resort is etched in my brain!!!
The Vatican is nothing more than a pimp to the world's largest cesspool of degenerates.
all this says to me is that celibacy is an outdated and illogical lifestyle choice. when your job requires you to deny yourself of basic urges and drives such as sex, then the job is the problem, not the human...
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
in a letter dated 1985 the current pope signed a letter arguing that the "good of the universal church" should be considered against the defrocking of an american priest who committed sex offenses against 2 boys. this was when benny16 was incharge of the congregation for the doctrine of the faith, which deals with sex abuse cases.
the pope will be in britain in september and dawkins and hitchens believe he will be unable to claim diplomatic immunity as he is not the head of a state recognised by the UN.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Yeah right.
What's to stop them from "transferring" the offender to a different parish and covering it up like they always do?
I don't see celibacy causing men to RAPE CHILDREN!
And it's not just altar boys who are victims. My best friend was a little girl of 4 or 5 when she and the other little girls who lived near the 'rectory' were molested by one of the priests. Her family had never attended the church.
Although Vatican City is not a full member of the UN it is recognized as an independent country and has observer status within the UN. Thus, the Pope maybe able afforded status of recognized diplomatic immunity.
As the crimes committed by the Catholic church were world-wide, a case for crimes against humanity could be made, which would then negate his claim of diplomatic immunity from prosecution. That's such a long shot when you think of the countries like Spain and France that would object to such a prosecution. Yet, such a filing would restrict their movement and open their activities to public scrutiny.
someone explain to me why there isn't an internal backlash?
I think your question goes to the heart of the matter......I think a backlash would require people to examine what they believe in and why......That kind of introspection would likely shatter everything they've been told. It needs to happen, but I worry that it won't. It's high time that these crimes are seen for what they are and the perpetrators (the clergy/nuns/bishops/pope) need to be prosecuted.
The Catholic church's doctrine of celibacy contradicts its very teachings and policies.
1. If the main purpose of God for creating man and woman is to procreate, then celibacy is, by its very nature, a contradiction to God's law.
2. To state that church officials should report sexual abuse "if" required by law, indicates that the Catholic church condones, but, will not seek prosecution or church sanctions against priests who engage in sexual activity with children determined to be of legal age, which varies from State to State and from country to country.
-- The Catholic church, by its implication of legal age, is condoning homosexuality, pedophiles and the continued rape of minors around the world.. If, in the eyes of the Catholic church engaging in homosexual activity is a sin, then age should not be an issue. Pedophiles like very young children, so they are not going to change, thus, the sexual abuse of children by these priests will continue. Since children and minors can't consent and most repeatedly, sexually abused children lack the capacity to say no, these priest are engaging in rape, even after legal age is obtained.
3. What the Catholic church failed to acknowledge by its statement "if" required by law, is "CONSENT".
--The one thing the Catholic church can not do, is to acknowledge sexual activity by CONSENT. To acknowledge that sexual activity must be by consent, would be to acknowledge the breakdown of the veil of celibacy and that these priests are simply engaged in rape no matter what form it takes.
--The Catholic church also knows that priests - having taking a veil of celibacy - knows their sexual activity with a minor is not for the purpose of leading to marriage, it is not for the purpose of procreation, it is simply for the need to fulfill their sexual desires.
4. The Catholic church, by trying to protect is doctrine of celibacy has created a save haven that has cultivated the continuous predatory and degenerate acts of sexual abuse and rape of children around the world.
this is secondary ... i want to know why the pope isn't in jail for knowingly allowing the predatory nature of some priests to a) continue and b) not reported to the police?
IF ONLY polaris
if only
"what a long, strange trip it's been"
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article7094310.ece
I'm far from religious, but would add this much to the conversation - The vatican and pope are not religion - mere self-appointed extensions of it. If push came to shove, most followers of that faith would not renounce their belief, but merely this group of cohorts. I do not like religion as a whole but many use this issue as breading ground to bash religion in a sensationalized manner (Dawkins in this example). The same reasons most disagree with religion or god will not be altered by priests' abuses or similar. This will not spawn an age of reason or disillusionment of religion and belief - merely a blow (pun intended) to "organized religion" and in this instance the pope and/or the vatican.
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
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