China blocks Bob Dylan gigs

ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
edited April 2010 in A Moving Train
The Chinese government really are a joke :lol: I wonder how long these backwards idiots can manage to remain with their heads firmly planted up their own asses?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2010/ap ... dylan-gigs

China blocks Bob Dylan gigs

Bob Dylan's planned tour of east Asia called off after Chinese officials refuse him permission to play in Beijing and Shanghai


Peter Walker - guardian.co.uk, Sunday 4 April 2010



Aged 68 and almost half a century past the zenith of his angry, protest-song youth, Bob Dylan must almost have forgotten what it was like to be deemed a threat to society. But it seems at least one place still sees him as a dangerous radical.

Dylan's planned tour of east Asia later this month has been called off after Chinese officials refused permission for him to play in Beijing and Shanghai, his local promoters said. China's ministry of culture, which vets planned concerts by overseas artists, appeared wary of Dylan's past as an icon of the counterculture movement, said Jeffrey Wu, of the Taiwan-based promoters Brokers Brothers Herald.

Dylan fans denied the chance to see their hero might also blame Björk, who caused consternation among Chinese officials two years ago by shouting pro-Tibet slogans at a concert in Shanghai, Wu told Hong Kong's South China Morning Post.

The verdict scuppers Dylan's plans to play his first dates in mainland China. The singer, who plays around 100 concerts a year on his Never Ending Tour, had hoped to extend a multi-city Japanese leg with concerts in Beijing, Shanghai, Taiwan, South Korea and Hong Kong. All these would now be called off, Wu told the newspaper.

"With Beijing and China ruled out, it was not possible for him just to play concerts in only Hong Kong, South Korea and Taiwan," he said. "The chance to play in China was the main attraction for him. When that fell through everything else was called off."

Wu said officials had become more cautious since Björk, the Icelandic singer, chanted "Tibet! Tibet!" after performing a song called Declare Independence in Shanghai in 2008. China has ruled Tibet since invading it in 1950 and views the Himalayan territory as an integral part of its national borders.

"What Björk did definitely made life very difficult for other performers. They are very wary of what will be said by performers on stage now," Wu said.

Last year, Oasis were told they were "unsuitable" to play in Beijing and Shanghai as Noel Gallagher had appeared at a Tibet freedom concert 12 years earlier.
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  • keeponrockinkeeponrockin Posts: 7,446
    Well done China.... :?
    Believe me, when I was growin up, I thought the worst thing you could turn out to be was normal, So I say freaks in the most complementary way. Here's a song by a fellow freak - E.V
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    they probably never got over the fact that he "plugged in" in the late 60's... :D i know the brits were VERY angry about that...just watch "no direction home"...one of the greatest rock docs ever IMO...
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • SmellymanSmellyman Asia Posts: 4,524
    Last year, Oasis were told they were "unsuitable" to play in Beijing and Shanghai as Noel Gallagher had appeared at a Tibet freedom concert 12 years earlier.

    guess that rules on PJ too.

    I would've like to see Dylan in Hong Kong. too bad.

    People with English as a first language don't understand Dylan. There would be no harm...:)
  • dpmaydpmay Posts: 643
    too bad for china.
  • lukin2006lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    Smellyman wrote:
    Last year, Oasis were told they were "unsuitable" to play in Beijing and Shanghai as Noel Gallagher had appeared at a Tibet freedom concert 12 years earlier.

    guess that rules on PJ too.

    I would've like to see Dylan in Hong Kong. too bad.

    People with English as a first language don't understand Dylan. There would be no harm...:)


    People with english don't understand Dylan, very funny :lol::lol::lol:.
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

    "Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
  • lukin2006lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    Byrnzie wrote:
    The Chinese government really are a joke :lol: I wonder how long these backwards idiots can manage to remain with their heads firmly planted up their own asses?

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2010/ap ... dylan-gigs

    China blocks Bob Dylan gigs

    Bob Dylan's planned tour of east Asia called off after Chinese officials refuse him permission to play in Beijing and Shanghai


    Peter Walker - guardian.co.uk, Sunday 4 April 2010



    Aged 68 and almost half a century past the zenith of his angry, protest-song youth, Bob Dylan must almost have forgotten what it was like to be deemed a threat to society. But it seems at least one place still sees him as a dangerous radical.

    Dylan's planned tour of east Asia later this month has been called off after Chinese officials refused permission for him to play in Beijing and Shanghai, his local promoters said. China's ministry of culture, which vets planned concerts by overseas artists, appeared wary of Dylan's past as an icon of the counterculture movement, said Jeffrey Wu, of the Taiwan-based promoters Brokers Brothers Herald.

    Dylan fans denied the chance to see their hero might also blame Björk, who caused consternation among Chinese officials two years ago by shouting pro-Tibet slogans at a concert in Shanghai, Wu told Hong Kong's South China Morning Post.

    The verdict scuppers Dylan's plans to play his first dates in mainland China. The singer, who plays around 100 concerts a year on his Never Ending Tour, had hoped to extend a multi-city Japanese leg with concerts in Beijing, Shanghai, Taiwan, South Korea and Hong Kong. All these would now be called off, Wu told the newspaper.

    "With Beijing and China ruled out, it was not possible for him just to play concerts in only Hong Kong, South Korea and Taiwan," he said. "The chance to play in China was the main attraction for him. When that fell through everything else was called off."

    Wu said officials had become more cautious since Björk, the Icelandic singer, chanted "Tibet! Tibet!" after performing a song called Declare Independence in Shanghai in 2008. China has ruled Tibet since invading it in 1950 and views the Himalayan territory as an integral part of its national borders.

    "What Björk did definitely made life very difficult for other performers. They are very wary of what will be said by performers on stage now," Wu said.

    Last year, Oasis were told they were "unsuitable" to play in Beijing and Shanghai as Noel Gallagher had appeared at a Tibet freedom concert 12 years earlier.

    I see you're there, truthfully, I am very interested to know what it's like there? Your overall impression.
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

    "Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    lukin2006 wrote:
    I see you're there, truthfully, I am very interested to know what it's like there? Your overall impression.

    My overall impression? Can you be more specific?

    The bottom line is I really like it here. I have a good life here. Though maybe a farmer in the countryside would have a different view of things.

    Though there's more to freedom than just political freedom. Clearly the government are completely corrupt, but unless you run into them then that won't really effect you.
    People here are mostly concerned with the day-to-day task of living and making money, much like anywhere else.
  • lukin2006lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    Byrnzie wrote:
    lukin2006 wrote:
    I see you're there, truthfully, I am very interested to know what it's like there? Your overall impression.

    My overall impression? Can you be more specific?

    About the government control? Do the people of China seem happy with their government?
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

    "Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    lukin2006 wrote:
    Byrnzie wrote:
    lukin2006 wrote:
    I see you're there, truthfully, I am very interested to know what it's like there? Your overall impression.

    My overall impression? Can you be more specific?

    About the government control? Do the people of China seem happy with their government?

    Those with money do. Although the poor know they're being screwed. Not much different to anywhere else in that respect. Apparently there are thousands of demonstrations occurring here every year now, and the number is rising every year.
    People always wonder what the future will hold for China - will the Commies be able to maintain control e.t.c. I think it's impossible to say. Obviously with greater wealth comes greater expectations. And also people are having more contact with the outside world. As for government control of the internet, people here just do what I'm doing - use a proxy server, or Tor, or in my case 'Freedur'.
    Though the government do have control of the mainstream news media, and they will arrest dissenters and anyone they see as a threat to their power. How long this will go on is anyone's guess. Maybe change will come from within the government itself, or maybe change will come from the people - probably the poor - rebelling. Then again, maybe the Commies will stay in power. It's hard to tell.

    Anyway, none of this stuff impacts at all on my day-to-day life. There's more to life for most people than government corruption. China is a big country with a big history, and big culture. The only thing I miss is good food. The food here sucks.
  • lukin2006lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    Byrnzie wrote:
    lukin2006 wrote:
    Byrnzie wrote:

    My overall impression? Can you be more specific?

    About the government control? Do the people of China seem happy with their government?

    Those with money do. Although the poor know they're being screwed. Not much different to anywhere else in that respect. Apparently there are thousands of demonstrations occurring here every year now, and the number is rising every year.
    People always wonder what the future will hold for China - will the Commies be able to maintain control e.t.c. I think it's impossible to say. Obviously with greater wealth comes greater expectations. And also people are having more contact with the outside world. As for government control of the internet, people here just do what I'm doing - use a proxy server, or Tor, or in my case 'Freedur'.
    Though the government do have control of the mainstream news media, and they will arrest dissenters and anyone they see as a threat to their power. How long this will go on is anyone's guess. Maybe change will come from within the government itself, or maybe change will come from the people - probably the poor - rebelling. Then again, maybe the Commies will stay in power. It's hard to tell.

    Anyway, none of this stuff impacts at all on my day-to-day life. There's more to life for most people than government corruption. China is a big country with a big history, and big culture. The only thing I miss is good food. The food here sucks.
    Thanks for your insight. I guess government corruption seems to be a problem in a lot of place's, democratic or otherwise. Maybe change will come, hopefully positive change. I've heard that about the food :D.
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

    "Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
  • JeanwahJeanwah Posts: 6,363
    Byrnzie, I'm so proud of you!! :) I know it was a while back, but last time I didn't see eye to eye with you, we were debating why you never wanted to discuss the Chinese govt, but rather you kept bringing up what was wrong with the US. (plenty of reasons, but besides the point.) I'll have to dig to find the thread. But, I agree, not letting Dylan play because of his roots, and what his music is about, is completely ridiculous. Are they still hosting that Earth Day event still? I haven't heard anything, but I admittedly have not been reading news lately.
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    lukin2006 wrote:
    Thanks for your insight. I guess government corruption seems to be a problem in a lot of place's, democratic or otherwise. Maybe change will come, hopefully positive change. I've heard that about the food :D.

    I recently watched a 4 part documentary on China hosted by Paul Merton - an English comedian - and after he spent 6 weeks here traveling around the very last thing they asked him was 'What's the first thing you'll do when you get back to England?' He answered by saying 'I'll order a Chinese takeaway. You can't get decent Chinese food in China'.
    And it's true - more or less. The Chinese food in England is far better than the crap they serve up here. I'm also gonna have a Chinese meal when I get back home next year.
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Jeanwah wrote:
    Are they still hosting that Earth Day event still? I haven't heard anything, but I admittedly have not been reading news lately.

    I don't know, but I take it PJ will not be there.
  • SmellymanSmellyman Asia Posts: 4,524
    edited April 2010
    Byrnzie wrote:
    lukin2006 wrote:
    Thanks for your insight. I guess government corruption seems to be a problem in a lot of place's, democratic or otherwise. Maybe change will come, hopefully positive change. I've heard that about the food :D.

    I recently watched a 4 part documentary on China hosted by Paul Merton - an English comedian - and after he spent 6 weeks here traveling around the very last thing they asked him was 'What's the first thing you'll do when you get back to England?' He answered by saying 'I'll order a Chinese takeaway. You can't get decent Chinese food in China'.
    And it's true - more or less. The Chinese food in England is far better than the crap they serve up here. I'm also gonna have a Chinese meal when I get back home next year.

    You're crazy. I can only compare to the states "chinese food", which more or less consists of Sweet and sour pork, chow mein and Kung pow chicken

    Chinese food here is a million times better and such a huge variety
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  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    edited April 2010
    Smellyman wrote:
    You're crazy. I can only compare to the states "chinese food", which more or less constist of Sweet and sour pork, chow mein and Kung pow chicken

    Chinese food here is a million times better and such a huge variety

    Ah, but you're in the south. Cantonese food is what we get in England. The food here in Central China sucks.

    Edit: In terms of variety, here we have chickens feet, ducks heads, black chicken bones and skin, and bullfrogs.
    Post edited by Byrnzie on
  • rebornFixerrebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    Smellyman wrote:
    You're crazy. I can only compare to the states "chinese food", which more or less constist of Sweet and sour pork, chow mein and Kung pow chicken

    Chinese food here is a million times better and such a huge variety

    I largely agree with Byrnzie on this one, although I think it depends on where in China you are. You can certainly track down great food in Beijing with some effort (or Hong Kong I gather, although I haven't been there) ... In a more remote province, its going to be rough.
  • SmellymanSmellyman Asia Posts: 4,524
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Smellyman wrote:
    You're crazy. I can only compare to the states "chinese food", which more or less constist of Sweet and sour pork, chow mein and Kung pow chicken

    Chinese food here is a million times better and such a huge variety

    Ah, but you're in the south. Cantonese food is what we get in England. The food here in Central China sucks.

    Edit: In terms of variety, here we have chickens feet, ducks heads, black chicken bones and skin, and bullfrogs.

    Haha. we have those down here too. Chicken feet isn't too bad. :)

    Also, Hong Kong Dim Sum is insanely good. I took some friends to a dim sum place in the states and it was utter crap.
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