Sean Penn gets put in his place -

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edited March 2010 in A Moving Train
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  • Pepe SilviaPepe Silvia Posts: 3,758
    Turns out, only one pen is mighty. And it ain't Sean.
    :lol:
    don't compete; coexist

    what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?

    "I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama

    when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
    i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
  • Pepe SilviaPepe Silvia Posts: 3,758
    while i agree chavez has done some shitty things i question where she gets her numbers. she says Venezuela is the 2nd most dangerous country in the world but i just looked it up. according to forbes the most dangerous countries are

    Somalia
    Afghanistan
    Iraq
    Democratic Republic of the Congo
    Pakistan
    Gaza/Palestine Territories
    Sri Lanka
    Yemen
    Sudan
    Zimbabwe
    Cote d'Ivoire
    Haiti
    Algeria
    Nigeria
    Georgia/North Caucasus, Russia

    apparently they aren't 2nd, they aren't even in the top 15
    :roll:
    don't compete; coexist

    what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?

    "I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama

    when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
    i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
  • rebornFixerrebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    while i agree chavez has done some shitty things i question where she gets her numbers. she says Venezuela is the 2nd most dangerous country in the world but i just looked it up. according to forbes the most dangerous countries are

    Somalia
    Afghanistan
    Iraq
    Democratic Republic of the Congo
    Pakistan
    Gaza/Palestine Territories
    Sri Lanka
    Yemen
    Sudan
    Zimbabwe
    Cote d'Ivoire
    Haiti
    Algeria
    Nigeria
    Georgia/North Caucasus, Russia

    apparently they aren't 2nd, they aren't even in the top 15
    :roll:

    Agreed. There's a lot of hyperbole flying around from both sides.
  • inmytreeinmytree Posts: 4,741
    BamaPJFan wrote:

    ooooh, the hitler card...I've never seen that played before...

    methinks this actress is trying to get her name in the papers...
  • BamaPJFanBamaPJFan Posts: 410
    inmytree wrote:
    BamaPJFan wrote:

    ooooh, the hitler card...I've never seen that played before...

    methinks this actress is trying to get her name in the papers...

    You're not an advocate for a communist country are you?
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  • inmytreeinmytree Posts: 4,741
    BamaPJFan wrote:
    inmytree wrote:
    BamaPJFan wrote:

    ooooh, the hitler card...I've never seen that played before...

    methinks this actress is trying to get her name in the papers...

    You're not an advocate for a communist country are you?

    of course I must be...you know, since I didn't praise this actress/authors ass...
  • inmytree wrote:
    of course I must be...you know, since I didn't praise this actress/authors ass...

    either you are with us or you are with the terrorists
  • keeponrockinkeeponrockin Posts: 7,446
    I preferred Ozzie Guillen's... Much more hilarious.
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  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    BamaPJFan wrote:

    Except he didn't really get put in his place, because nothing she said has been verified. She's just repeating the views of Conservative America and the American media, which don't mean jack-shit. 'Venezuela is the 2nd most dangerous country in the world'....'Venezuelans live in a constant state of stress and fear of getting killed'. Yeah, sure.
  • one thing all my heroes and idols have in common is a complete disreguard for critics and even the criticisms by fans. sean penn is one of those individuals. i highly doubt this article or essay will mean much of anything to Sean. the guy was called a traitor for years, when he went to iraq and afghanistan, and didnt he go to pakistan or something? He has written about Chavez for years, him being criticized for it, has been ongoing for years now.

    Sean Penn wont quit acting because of this essay, and he wont stop being an activist and speaking out on behalf of issues he feels are important.

    as far as chavez goes I really dont understand all the criticism. chavez created some of the most impressive "bill of rights" and "founding principles" ever put into practice. and to earn the hatred of the ruling classes in america, the guy actually is doing lots of good, thus the hatred I just mentioned. Th bolivarian uprising and rebellion is compelling and an important part of the antiglobalization movement right now
  • StarfallStarfall Posts: 548
    And I used to think Maria Conchita Alonso was hot too. Oh well. Too bad she didn't mention that Hugo Chavez was elected democratically, and monitored by international watchdog groups, making his election legitimate compared to George "Voted in by hanging chad and right wing justices" W. Bush.
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  • South of SeattleSouth of Seattle West Seattle Posts: 10,724
    I think she's still mad at Pac-Man for spray painting that kids face and then finding out she was a whore ;)
    NERDS!
  • rebornFixerrebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    Starfall wrote:
    And I used to think Maria Conchita Alonso was hot too. Oh well. Too bad she didn't mention that Hugo Chavez was elected democratically, and monitored by international watchdog groups, making his election legitimate compared to George "Voted in by hanging chad and right wing justices" W. Bush.

    Um, let's not take it too far... Human rights organizations have raised numerous concerns about Chavez.
    http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2010/03/25/v ... dissenters
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Starfall wrote:
    And I used to think Maria Conchita Alonso was hot too. Oh well. Too bad she didn't mention that Hugo Chavez was elected democratically, and monitored by international watchdog groups, making his election legitimate compared to George "Voted in by hanging chad and right wing justices" W. Bush.

    Um, let's not take it too far... Human rights organizations have raised numerous concerns about Chavez.
    http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2010/03/25/v ... dissenters

    Wow! Sure looks like a big deal - the Attorney General is investigating someone:

    http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2010/03/25/v ... dissenters
    Radio Nacional Venezuela reported that Venezuela’s attorney general is currently investigating Zuloaga for “disseminating false information, offense, and insulting the President of the Republic.”
  • rebornFixerrebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Wow! Sure looks like a big deal - the Attorney General is investigating someone:

    http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2010/03/25/v ... dissenters
    Radio Nacional Venezuela reported that Venezuela’s attorney general is currently investigating Zuloaga for “disseminating false information, offense, and insulting the President of the Republic.”

    Byrznie, I don't know if you actually like Chavez or if your main intent is to bash the US, but whichever is the case, the concerns about Chavez are entirely valid. Note I said "concerns". Some on the far right blow them up and try to pretend he's Stalin, which is way overstating the case. But there's no need to pretend there are NOT concerns, either. Human Rights Watch spends an awful lot of time targeting Israel as well, so the organization is not "right wing" and just making stuff up to satisfy some conservative agenda (cue theme from Twilight Zone). Chavez does not appear to govern in a democratic manner.

    "In 2004, Chávez and his supporters in the National Assembly carried out a political takeover of the Supreme Court, which effectively neutralized the judiciary as an independent branch of government. Since the 2004 takeover, the court has repeatedly failed to fulfill its role as a check on arbitrary state action and safeguard of fundamental rights."
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Wow! Sure looks like a big deal - the Attorney General is investigating someone:

    http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2010/03/25/v ... dissenters
    Radio Nacional Venezuela reported that Venezuela’s attorney general is currently investigating Zuloaga for “disseminating false information, offense, and insulting the President of the Republic.”

    Byrznie, I don't know if you actually like Chavez or if your main intent is to bash the US, but whichever is the case, the concerns about Chavez are entirely valid. Note I said "concerns". Some on the far right blow them up and try to pretend he's Stalin, which is way overstating the case. But there's no need to pretend there are NOT concerns, either. Human Rights Watch spends an awful lot of time targeting Israel as well, so the organization is not "right wing" and just making stuff up to satisfy some conservative agenda (cue theme from Twilight Zone). Chavez does not appear to govern in a democratic manner.

    Then they should publish some valid criticisms & charges. So far I've seen nothing substantial. I'm pretty sure that, considering the amount of people north of the Rio Grande who hate Chavez, that if they really had something on the guy they would have publicized it by now, and made sure that every fucker was aware of it. Instead, all I've seen are half-assed accusations and lists of Spanish names of people that may or may not have been wronged in some way by Chavez.
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    "In 2004, Chávez and his supporters in the National Assembly carried out a political takeover of the Supreme Court, which effectively neutralized the judiciary as an independent branch of government. Since the 2004 takeover, the court has repeatedly failed to fulfill its role as a check on arbitrary state action and safeguard of fundamental rights."

    Was this before or after the U.S sponsored coup against the democratically elected Chavez government?
  • rebornFixerrebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    Byrnzie wrote:
    "In 2004, Chávez and his supporters in the National Assembly carried out a political takeover of the Supreme Court, which effectively neutralized the judiciary as an independent branch of government. Since the 2004 takeover, the court has repeatedly failed to fulfill its role as a check on arbitrary state action and safeguard of fundamental rights."

    Was this before or after the U.S sponsored coup against the democratically elected Chavez government?

    So its OK for someone to be "democratically elected" and then view that as a mandate to eliminate the possibility of judicial checks and balances on the government's power? Sorry, but this is concerning, regardless of what the Americans did or did not do.
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Byrnzie wrote:
    "In 2004, Chávez and his supporters in the National Assembly carried out a political takeover of the Supreme Court, which effectively neutralized the judiciary as an independent branch of government. Since the 2004 takeover, the court has repeatedly failed to fulfill its role as a check on arbitrary state action and safeguard of fundamental rights."

    Was this before or after the U.S sponsored coup against the democratically elected Chavez government?

    So its OK for someone to be "democratically elected" and then view that as a mandate to eliminate the possibility of judicial checks and balances on the government's power? Sorry, but this is concerning, regardless of what the Americans did or did not do.

    Except no evidence has been provided that anyone's rights have been breached. Just baseless accusations.
  • rebornFixerrebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    "When Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez faced a coup d'etat in April 2002, the international community roundly condemned the assault on Venezuela's constitutional order. Now, as he faces a recall referendum in August 2004, Chavez's own government threatens to undermine this country's fragile democracy through a political takeover of its highest court.

    Chavez's recent announcement that he would accept a national referendum to end his presidency received widespread international attention -- as did a poll showing he might actually be able to win it. What received less attention was the law he signed a week earlier that could give him a decisive advantage when it comes time to tally the votes.

    The new law expands the number of Supreme Court justices from 20 to 32. It allows Chavez's governing coalition to use its slim majority in the legislature to obtain an overwhelming majority of seats on the Supreme Court. The law also allows his coalition to nullify the appointments of sitting justices. In short, Chavez's supporters can now both pack and purge the country's highest court.

    It is this court that may ultimately determine the outcome of the referendum. It will have to decide whether Chavez, should he lose the recall, can run again for president in the subsequent election. And it will have to resolve any legal challenges that arise from the recall vote itself, which is expected to be hotly contested. Pro-Chavez legislators have already announced their intention to name the new justices by next month, in time for the referendum.

    Such a political takeover of the Supreme Court would compound damage already being done to judicial independence by the court itself. The Supreme Court has summarily fired lower-court judges after they decided politically controversial cases. It has effectively shut down the country's second-highest court by failing to resolve the legal appeals of its dismissed judges. And it has failed to grant 80 percent of the country's judges security of tenure, which is an essential ingredient of judicial independence.

    Chavez supporters justify the court-packing law largely as a response to pro-opposition rulings in a deeply divided court, such as a highly questionable decision that absolved military officers who participated in the 2002 coup. It may be true that some judges let opposition members off the hook after they sought to undermine the rule of law. But Chavez and his supporters should now be taking steps to strengthen the judiciary. Instead they are rigging the system to favor their own interests. "
    Enacting a law that could be used to undermine the judicial system is evidence of a potential problem.
  • lukin2006lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    Byrnzie wrote:
    "In 2004, Chávez and his supporters in the National Assembly carried out a political takeover of the Supreme Court, which effectively neutralized the judiciary as an independent branch of government. Since the 2004 takeover, the court has repeatedly failed to fulfill its role as a check on arbitrary state action and safeguard of fundamental rights."

    Was this before or after the U.S sponsored coup against the democratically elected Chavez government?

    Why don't you tell us, after all you know everything, don't you?
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