Scary New GOP Poll

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edited March 2010 in A Moving Train
http://news.yahoo.com/s/dailybeast/2010 ... newgoppoll

John Avlon – Tue Mar 23, 12:58 am ET
NEW YORK – On the heels of health care, a new Harris poll reveals Republican attitudes about Obama: Two-thirds think he's a socialist, 57 percent a Muslim—and 24 percent say "he may be the Antichrist."

To anyone who thinks the end of the health-care vote means a return to civility, wake up.

Obama Derangement Syndrome—pathological hatred of the president posing as patriotism—has infected the Republican Party. Here's new data to prove it:

67 percent of Republicans (and 40 percent of Americans overall) believe that Obama is a socialist.

The belief that Obama is a “domestic enemy” is widely held—a sign of trouble yet to come.

57 percent of Republicans (32 percent overall) believe that Obama is a Muslim 45 percent of Republicans (25 percent overall) agree with the Birthers in their belief that Obama was "not born in the United States and so is not eligible to be president" 38 percent of Republicans (20 percent overall) say that Obama is "doing many of the things that Hitler did" Scariest of all, 24 percent of Republicans (14 percent overall) say that Obama "may be the Antichrist." These numbers all come from a brand-new Louis Harris poll, inspired in part by my new book Wingnuts. It demonstrates the cost of the campaign of fear and hate that has been pumped up in the service of hyper-partisanship over the past 15 months. We are playing with dynamite by demonizing our president and dividing the United States in the process. What might be good for ratings is bad for the country.

The poll, which surveyed 2,230 people right at the height of the health-care reform debate, also clearly shows that education is a barrier to extremism. Respondents without a college education are vastly more likely to believe such claims, while Americans with college degrees or better are less easily duped. It's a reminder of what the 19th-century educator Horace Mann once too-loftily said: "Ignorance breeds monsters to fill up the vacancies of the soul that are unoccupied by the verities of knowledge."

The full results of the poll, which will be released in greater detail tomorrow, are even more frightening: including news that high percentages of Republicans—and Americans overall—believe that President Obama is "racist," "anti-American" "wants the terrorists to win" and "wants to turn over the sovereignty of the United States to a one-world government." The "Hatriot" belief that Obama is a "domestic enemy" as set forth in the Constitution is also widely held—a sign of trouble yet to come. It's the same claim made by Marine Lance Corporal Kody Brittingham in his letter of intent to assassinate the President Obama.

This poll is the latest and most detailed evidence of the extent to which Wingnuts are hijacking our politics. It should be a wakeup call to all Americans and a collective reminder, as we move past health-care reform, that we need to stand up to extremism.

John Avlon's new book Wingnuts: How the Lunatic Fringe is Hijacking America is available now by Beast Books both on the Web and in paperback. He is also the author of Independent Nation: How Centrists Can Change American Politics. Previously, he served as chief speechwriter for New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani and was a columnist and associate editor for The New York Sun.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
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  • Starfall
    Starfall Posts: 548
    Yeah well that's what you get when you let the lunatic fringe take over the Republican party and adopt a win at all costs attitude, exemplified by KKKarl Rove, Dickhead Cheney and ClusterFOX News.

    They should have heeded David Frum's warning:

    We followed the most radical voices in the party and the movement, and they led us to abject and irreversible defeat.

    There were leaders who knew better, who would have liked to deal. But they were trapped. Conservative talkers on Fox and talk radio had whipped the Republican voting base into such a frenzy that deal-making was rendered impossible. How do you negotiate with somebody who wants to murder your grandmother? Or – more exactly – with somebody whom your voters have been persuaded to believe wants to murder their grandmother?

    I’ve been on a soapbox for months now about the harm that our overheated talk is doing to us. Yes it mobilizes supporters – but by mobilizing them with hysterical accusations and pseudo-information, overheated talk has made it impossible for representatives to represent and elected leaders to lead. The real leaders are on TV and radio, and they have very different imperatives from people in government. Talk radio thrives on confrontation and recrimination. When Rush Limbaugh said that he wanted President Obama to fail, he was intelligently explaining his own interests. What he omitted to say – but what is equally true – is that he also wants Republicans to fail. If Republicans succeed – if they govern successfully in office and negotiate attractive compromises out of office – Rush’s listeners get less angry. And if they are less angry, they listen to the radio less, and hear fewer ads for Sleepnumber beds.

    So today’s defeat for free-market economics and Republican values is a huge win for the conservative entertainment industry. Their listeners and viewers will now be even more enraged, even more frustrated, even more disappointed in everybody except the responsibility-free talkers on television and radio. For them, it’s mission accomplished. For the cause they purport to represent, it’s Waterloo all right: ours.
    "It's not hard to own something. Or everything. You just have to know that it's yours, and then be willing to let it go." - Neil Gaiman, "Stardust"
  • badbrains
    badbrains Posts: 10,255
    He's just part of the agenda. He may be black on the outside but he's pure N-w-O on the inside....different name (democrat) same agenda...
  • aerial
    aerial Posts: 2,319
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/dailybeast/20100323/ts_dailybeast/7269_scarynewgoppoll

    John Avlon – Tue Mar 23, 12:58 am ET
    NEW YORK – On the heels of health care, a new Harris poll reveals Republican attitudes about Obama: Two-thirds think he's a socialist, 57 percent a Muslim—and 24 percent say "he may be the Antichrist."

    To anyone who thinks the end of the health-care vote means a return to civility, wake up.

    Obama Derangement Syndrome—pathological hatred of the president posing as patriotism—has infected the Republican Party. Here's new data to prove it:

    67 percent of Republicans (and 40 percent of Americans overall) believe that Obama is a socialist.

    The belief that Obama is a “domestic enemy” is widely held—a sign of trouble yet to come.

    57 percent of Republicans (32 percent overall) believe that Obama is a Muslim 45 percent of Republicans (25 percent overall) agree with the Birthers in their belief that Obama was "not born in the United States and so is not eligible to be president" 38 percent of Republicans (20 percent overall) say that Obama is "doing many of the things that Hitler did" Scariest of all, 24 percent of Republicans (14 percent overall) say that Obama "may be the Antichrist." These numbers all come from a brand-new Louis Harris poll, inspired in part by my new book Wingnuts. It demonstrates the cost of the campaign of fear and hate that has been pumped up in the service of hyper-partisanship over the past 15 months. We are playing with dynamite by demonizing our president and dividing the United States in the process. What might be good for ratings is bad for the country.

    The poll, which surveyed 2,230 people right at the height of the health-care reform debate, also clearly shows that education is a barrier to extremism. Respondents without a college education are vastly more likely to believe such claims, while Americans with college degrees or better are less easily duped. It's a reminder of what the 19th-century educator Horace Mann once too-loftily said: "Ignorance breeds monsters to fill up the vacancies of the soul that are unoccupied by the verities of knowledge."

    The full results of the poll, which will be released in greater detail tomorrow, are even more frightening: including news that high percentages of Republicans—and Americans overall—believe that President Obama is "racist," "anti-American" "wants the terrorists to win" and "wants to turn over the sovereignty of the United States to a one-world government." The "Hatriot" belief that Obama is a "domestic enemy" as set forth in the Constitution is also widely held—a sign of trouble yet to come. It's the same claim made by Marine Lance Corporal Kody Brittingham in his letter of intent to assassinate the President Obama.

    This poll is the latest and most detailed evidence of the extent to which Wingnuts are hijacking our politics. It should be a wakeup call to all Americans and a collective reminder, as we move past health-care reform, that we need to stand up to extremism.

    John Avlon's new book Wingnuts: How the Lunatic Fringe is Hijacking America is available now by Beast Books both on the Web and in paperback. He is also the author of Independent Nation: How Centrists Can Change American Politics. Previously, he served as chief speechwriter for New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani and was a columnist and associate editor for The New York Sun.
    It’s articles like these that are dividing the country....articles that are so biased it would be funny if someone actually took this shit serious ..... Talk about trying to instil fear and misinformation in people....
    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,424
    aerial wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/dailybeast/20100323/ts_dailybeast/7269_scarynewgoppoll

    John Avlon – Tue Mar 23, 12:58 am ET
    NEW YORK – On the heels of health care, a new Harris poll reveals Republican attitudes about Obama: Two-thirds think he's a socialist, 57 percent a Muslim—and 24 percent say "he may be the Antichrist."

    To anyone who thinks the end of the health-care vote means a return to civility, wake up.

    Obama Derangement Syndrome—pathological hatred of the president posing as patriotism—has infected the Republican Party. Here's new data to prove it:

    67 percent of Republicans (and 40 percent of Americans overall) believe that Obama is a socialist.

    The belief that Obama is a “domestic enemy” is widely held—a sign of trouble yet to come.

    57 percent of Republicans (32 percent overall) believe that Obama is a Muslim 45 percent of Republicans (25 percent overall) agree with the Birthers in their belief that Obama was "not born in the United States and so is not eligible to be president" 38 percent of Republicans (20 percent overall) say that Obama is "doing many of the things that Hitler did" Scariest of all, 24 percent of Republicans (14 percent overall) say that Obama "may be the Antichrist." These numbers all come from a brand-new Louis Harris poll, inspired in part by my new book Wingnuts. It demonstrates the cost of the campaign of fear and hate that has been pumped up in the service of hyper-partisanship over the past 15 months. We are playing with dynamite by demonizing our president and dividing the United States in the process. What might be good for ratings is bad for the country.

    The poll, which surveyed 2,230 people right at the height of the health-care reform debate, also clearly shows that education is a barrier to extremism. Respondents without a college education are vastly more likely to believe such claims, while Americans with college degrees or better are less easily duped. It's a reminder of what the 19th-century educator Horace Mann once too-loftily said: "Ignorance breeds monsters to fill up the vacancies of the soul that are unoccupied by the verities of knowledge."

    The full results of the poll, which will be released in greater detail tomorrow, are even more frightening: including news that high percentages of Republicans—and Americans overall—believe that President Obama is "racist," "anti-American" "wants the terrorists to win" and "wants to turn over the sovereignty of the United States to a one-world government." The "Hatriot" belief that Obama is a "domestic enemy" as set forth in the Constitution is also widely held—a sign of trouble yet to come. It's the same claim made by Marine Lance Corporal Kody Brittingham in his letter of intent to assassinate the President Obama.

    This poll is the latest and most detailed evidence of the extent to which Wingnuts are hijacking our politics. It should be a wakeup call to all Americans and a collective reminder, as we move past health-care reform, that we need to stand up to extremism.

    John Avlon's new book Wingnuts: How the Lunatic Fringe is Hijacking America is available now by Beast Books both on the Web and in paperback. He is also the author of Independent Nation: How Centrists Can Change American Politics. Previously, he served as chief speechwriter for New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani and was a columnist and associate editor for The New York Sun.
    It’s articles like these that are dividing the country....articles that are so biased it would be funny if someone actually took this shit serious ..... Talk about trying to instil fear and misinformation in people....
    do you not agree with the poll numbers? the full poll comes out tomorrow, so there will most likely be more to add to this. don't get angry with me for posting this and don't be angry with the numbers, if you are in the wingnut fringe and believe what the majoirty of the republicans in this poll believe you deserve the exposure and the ridicule provided by this article...
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    this is what happens when you corporatize society
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,880
    Well...at least the antichrist wasn't born in the US.
    hippiemom = goodness
  • aerial
    aerial Posts: 2,319
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    aerial wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/dailybeast/20100323/ts_dailybeast/7269_scarynewgoppoll

    John Avlon – Tue Mar 23, 12:58 am ET
    NEW YORK – On the heels of health care, a new Harris poll reveals Republican attitudes about Obama: Two-thirds think he's a socialist, 57 percent a Muslim—and 24 percent say "he may be the Antichrist."

    To anyone who thinks the end of the health-care vote means a return to civility, wake up.

    Obama Derangement Syndrome—pathological hatred of the president posing as patriotism—has infected the Republican Party. Here's new data to prove it:

    67 percent of Republicans (and 40 percent of Americans overall) believe that Obama is a socialist.

    The belief that Obama is a “domestic enemy” is widely held—a sign of trouble yet to come.

    57 percent of Republicans (32 percent overall) believe that Obama is a Muslim 45 percent of Republicans (25 percent overall) agree with the Birthers in their belief that Obama was "not born in the United States and so is not eligible to be president" 38 percent of Republicans (20 percent overall) say that Obama is "doing many of the things that Hitler did" Scariest of all, 24 percent of Republicans (14 percent overall) say that Obama "may be the Antichrist." These numbers all come from a brand-new Louis Harris poll, inspired in part by my new book Wingnuts. It demonstrates the cost of the campaign of fear and hate that has been pumped up in the service of hyper-partisanship over the past 15 months. We are playing with dynamite by demonizing our president and dividing the United States in the process. What might be good for ratings is bad for the country.

    The poll, which surveyed 2,230 people right at the height of the health-care reform debate, also clearly shows that education is a barrier to extremism. Respondents without a college education are vastly more likely to believe such claims, while Americans with college degrees or better are less easily duped. It's a reminder of what the 19th-century educator Horace Mann once too-loftily said: "Ignorance breeds monsters to fill up the vacancies of the soul that are unoccupied by the verities of knowledge."

    The full results of the poll, which will be released in greater detail tomorrow, are even more frightening: including news that high percentages of Republicans—and Americans overall—believe that President Obama is "racist," "anti-American" "wants the terrorists to win" and "wants to turn over the sovereignty of the United States to a one-world government." The "Hatriot" belief that Obama is a "domestic enemy" as set forth in the Constitution is also widely held—a sign of trouble yet to come. It's the same claim made by Marine Lance Corporal Kody Brittingham in his letter of intent to assassinate the President Obama.

    This poll is the latest and most detailed evidence of the extent to which Wingnuts are hijacking our politics. It should be a wakeup call to all Americans and a collective reminder, as we move past health-care reform, that we need to stand up to extremism.

    John Avlon's new book Wingnuts: How the Lunatic Fringe is Hijacking America is available now by Beast Books both on the Web and in paperback. He is also the author of Independent Nation: How Centrists Can Change American Politics. Previously, he served as chief speechwriter for New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani and was a columnist and associate editor for The New York Sun.
    It’s articles like these that are dividing the country....articles that are so biased it would be funny if someone actually took this shit serious ..... Talk about trying to instil fear and misinformation in people....
    do you not agree with the poll numbers? the full poll comes out tomorrow, so there will most likely be more to add to this. don't get angry with me for posting this and don't be angry with the numbers, if you are in the wingnut fringe and believe what the majoirty of the republicans in this poll believe you deserve the exposure and the ridicule provided by this article...
    I am not angry .....but I do think you are the fringe.....going to work for now......sorry for being so short
    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
  • FiveB247x
    FiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    Polls don't mean much, but one thing that is alarming is how uneducated we are as a society. It helps to know the definition of terms before you call people them...
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,424
    cincybearcat wrote:
    Well...at least the antichrist wasn't born in the US.
    i think one would have to believe in a christ in order for them to grasp the concept of an antichrist...
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,424
    aerial wrote:
    I am not angry .....but I do think you are the fringe.....going to work for now......sorry for being so short

    i'm the fringe? i think i am quite reasonablemost of the time....i wanted single payer with at least a public option, but i will settle for what we have achieved thus far...you align yourself with the people in the tea movement, who by most accounts and most polls have no idea what they are angry about and don't even know that most of them got a tax cut from obama...and don't even know that medicare is government run healthcare...they just know that they want obama to fail in all aspects...they are unreasonable...i think you side with the fringe...
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • arthurdent
    arthurdent Posts: 969
    we need to reinstitute poll taxes and citizenship tests and remove these clowns from the voting booth.
    Rock me Jesus, roll me Lord...
    Wash me in the blood of Rock & Roll
  • Shawshank
    Shawshank Posts: 1,018
    arthurdent wrote:
    we need to reinstitute poll taxes and citizenship tests and remove these clowns from the voting booth.

    You do realize that poll taxes were initially used to keep the poor from voting right? Citizenship tests? We'd probably have a 1,000 people qualified to vote. :lol: You see shit all the time where people have no idea who the first president was, or who the current vice president is, or who's face is on the five dollar bill.
  • arthurdent
    arthurdent Posts: 969
    Shawshank wrote:
    arthurdent wrote:
    You do realize that poll taxes were initially used to keep the poor from voting right? Citizenship tests? We'd probably have a 1,000 people qualified to vote.

    you say that like it's a bad thing?
    Rock me Jesus, roll me Lord...
    Wash me in the blood of Rock & Roll
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,424
    Shawshank wrote:
    arthurdent wrote:
    we need to reinstitute poll taxes and citizenship tests and remove these clowns from the voting booth.

    You do realize that poll taxes were initially used to keep the poor from voting right? Citizenship tests? We'd probably have a 1,000 people qualified to vote. :lol: You see shit all the time where people have no idea who the first president was, or who the current vice president is, or who's face is on the five dollar bill.
    poll taxes, i can imagine the uproar if republicans and tea baggers had to pay another tax just to vote...if this were the case and they were as principled as they say they are they might stay home from the polls...maybe if there were a poll tax the proceeds could be used to fix the diebold machines and make them unhackable? i am against poll taxes because it would disenfranchise the poor just like Shawshank said.

    LOL, you are correct.. jay leno used to ask people things like that and you would be astounded by the lack of knowledge of ordinary people...
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • Shawshank
    Shawshank Posts: 1,018
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    LOL, you are correct.. jay leno used to ask people things like that and you would be astounded by the lack of knowledge of ordinary people...

    Haha...yep. Now I have no problem with people needing citizenship tests with just the basics like that on it. It's just so sad. I know a girl who just became a 3rd grade teacher, and we were sitting around one day and she couldn't tell me who the first president was. I just don't understand. :lol:
  • aerial
    aerial Posts: 2,319
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    aerial wrote:
    I am not angry .....but I do think you are the fringe.....going to work for now......sorry for being so short

    i'm the fringe? i think i am quite reasonablemost of the time....i wanted single payer with at least a public option, but i will settle for what we have achieved thus far...you align yourself with the people in the tea movement, who by most accounts and most polls have no idea what they are angry about and don't even know that most of them got a tax cut from obama...and don't even know that medicare is government run healthcare...they just know that they want obama to fail in all aspects...they are unreasonable...i think you side with the fringe...
    How many people from the Tea Party have you actually had a conversation with? I would bet none....because if you had you would know that everything you just posted is false....probably like that article you posted....Avalon is a Tea Party hater so that in it’s self discredits anything he has to say about the Tea Party.....If we were as ignorant as you want people to believe this movement would not be such a threat to you or anyone else......
    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,424
    aerial wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    aerial wrote:
    I am not angry .....but I do think you are the fringe.....going to work for now......sorry for being so short

    i'm the fringe? i think i am quite reasonablemost of the time....i wanted single payer with at least a public option, but i will settle for what we have achieved thus far...you align yourself with the people in the tea movement, who by most accounts and most polls have no idea what they are angry about and don't even know that most of them got a tax cut from obama...and don't even know that medicare is government run healthcare...they just know that they want obama to fail in all aspects...they are unreasonable...i think you side with the fringe...
    How many people from the Tea Party have you actually had a conversation with? I would bet none....because if you had you would know that everything you just posted is false....probably like that article you posted....Avalon is a Tea Party hater so that in it’s self discredits anything he has to say about the Tea Party.....If we were as ignorant as you want people to believe this movement would not be such a threat to you or anyone else......
    i posted what was written in the article. i'm not making any of that up. i even linked to the article. sorry it does not have enough pictures of angry protesters for you. the author is a republican and was chief speechwriter for guliani..i highlighted that in red to show you that the guy is a republican...i have had spirited debates and conversations with many tea partiers on other forums and one of my best friends is one so i would say that i have an idea of what it is that you stand for. the problem with your movement is they are all over the place, they have too many issues they are trying to deal with. if they picked one or two things and standardized their message they might catch on. why don't you answer the poll questions and see where you fit in the scheme of things. weren't you one spouting off that obama is muslim and from kenya? from what i have seen, many many tea partiers are very ignorant fo the issues and have no idea what they are even angry about.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • aerial
    aerial Posts: 2,319
    This maybe why people think he leans toward socialism and Marxism...as all his associates
    http://obamawho.wordpress.com/2008/06/1 ... ssociates/
    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
  • FiveB247x
    FiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    How do you post this crap and expect anyone to take you seriously? If you disagree with Obama or any other issue/bill, just state why with facts... posting stuff like this just makes you look like a biased person who has no real commentary of their own except for passing along the hate-mongering of right wing media pieces like Rush and Beck.
    aerial wrote:
    This maybe why people think he leans toward socialism and Marxism...as all his associates
    http://obamawho.wordpress.com/2008/06/1 ... ssociates/
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • aerial
    aerial Posts: 2,319
    FiveB247x wrote:
    How do you post this crap and expect anyone to take you seriously? If you disagree with Obama or any other issue/bill, just state why with facts... posting stuff like this just makes you look like a biased person who has no real commentary of their own except for passing along the hate-mongering of right wing media pieces like Rush and Beck.
    aerial wrote:
    This maybe why people think he leans toward socialism and Marxism...as all his associates
    http://obamawho.wordpress.com/2008/06/1 ... ssociates/
    Oh it’s okay to post some bullshit poll buy a radical centrist....why?

    Well I did not feel like typing it all....and what is wrong with it if it is true? Where is the hate...it's just facts....
    Well okay his associates have alot of hate
    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln

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