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polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
edited January 2012 in A Moving Train
It's world water day ... we take water for granted and sometimes only an outbreak of e-coli or norwalk will make us rethink the way we do things ...

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http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/1003 ... lean_water

By The Associated Press

NAIROBI, Kenya - A new U.N. report says more people die from polluted water than from all forms of violence, including war. Monday's report says an estimated 2 billion tons of waste water - including fertilizer run-off, sewage and industrial waste - is being discharged daily. That waste fuels the spread of disease and damages ecosystems.

"Sick Water" - the report launched by the U.N. Environment Program to coincide with World Water Day - says 3.7 per cent of all deaths are attributed to water-related diseases, translating into millions of deaths. The report says that it takes 3 litres of water to produce one litre of bottled water, and that bottled water in the U.S. requires the consumption of some 17 million barrels of oil yearly.
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  • FiveB247xFiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    Whether by our doing or our environment's own systems, Thomas Malthus will win in the end. Simply Unsustainable.
    CONservative governMENt

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  • tybirdtybird Posts: 17,388
    Our most valuable resource, bar none......without it there is NO life...period, end of story.....but it's probably our most abused natural resource.....we dump everything from our body waste to coal ash sludge into the very sources of our drinking water....why? It appears that the answer is because we can. :cry:
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  • TravisTheSkyTravisTheSky Posts: 615
    The 'Governator' was bragging last year that Los Angeles now has twice as many people as it had in 1980. Yet we use exactly the same amount of water, meaning that each individual has halved his consumption. It is a crime to wash a sidewalk or driveway with water. Signs in Griffith Park warn that the sprinklers spray recycled sewage onto the grass.

    On one hand, water is touted as a precious gift. On the other hand, the municipal supply is purposely poisoned with fluoride, chlorine,and other disinfectants. When tested, the water is proven to contain psychotropic drugs, toxic heavy metal sludge, and nuclear fallout.
    "May you live in interesting times."
  • __ Posts: 6,651
    Good article - thanks for posting! And thanks to all the people who work hard every day to keep our water clean! :mrgreen:
    TravisTheSky wrote:
    poisoned with fluoride

    :roll:
  • StarfallStarfall Posts: 548
    TravisTheSky wrote:
    On the other hand, the municipal supply is purposely poisoned with fluoride, chlorine,and other disinfectants. When tested, the water is proven to contain psychotropic drugs, toxic heavy metal sludge, and nuclear fallout.

    I happen to work for a major water utility in CA, and while I do agree that there's a lot of crap in drinking water all over the country (unused drugs flushed down the toilet are a major concern where I am, for instance), the chlorine in the water is there for a reason - it's used to kill dangerous bacteria like E. coli that can invade our water supply. You REALLY want to bring back cholera epidemics and such stuff?
    "It's not hard to own something. Or everything. You just have to know that it's yours, and then be willing to let it go." - Neil Gaiman, "Stardust"
  • Pepe SilviaPepe Silvia Posts: 3,758
    Starfall wrote:
    TravisTheSky wrote:
    On the other hand, the municipal supply is purposely poisoned with fluoride, chlorine,and other disinfectants. When tested, the water is proven to contain psychotropic drugs, toxic heavy metal sludge, and nuclear fallout.

    I happen to work for a major water utility in CA, and while I do agree that there's a lot of crap in drinking water all over the country (unused drugs flushed down the toilet are a major concern where I am, for instance), the chlorine in the water is there for a reason - it's used to kill dangerous bacteria like E. coli that can invade our water supply. You REALLY want to bring back cholera epidemics and such stuff?


    and i think a lot of the drugs like cocaine and anti depressants just can't be fully removed from the water, right?
    don't compete; coexist

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  • StarfallStarfall Posts: 548
    They *can* be removed, the problem is that they'll be consumed by fish and other wildlife, accumulating in their systems, and when we or our livestock eat them, well, you can probably see where the problem is.
    "It's not hard to own something. Or everything. You just have to know that it's yours, and then be willing to let it go." - Neil Gaiman, "Stardust"
  • Pepe SilviaPepe Silvia Posts: 3,758
    Starfall wrote:
    They *can* be removed, the problem is that they'll be consumed by fish and other wildlife, accumulating in their systems, and when we or our livestock eat them, well, you can probably see where the problem is.

    yeah, having fish filled with trash is bad enough
    http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/JustOneThing/ ... od-9735987
    don't compete; coexist

    what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?

    "I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama

    when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
    i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
  • TravisTheSkyTravisTheSky Posts: 615
    Starfall wrote:
    the chlorine in the water is there for a reason - it's used to kill dangerous bacteria like E. coli that can invade our water supply. You REALLY want to bring back cholera epidemics and such stuff?

    No, of course not. I didn't go into bacterial contaminants in my post. The faeces AND the disinfectants are all in the public water supply! I was reading a recent water quality report for the area which explained that the maximum legally-allowed limit of chlorine is not adequate to kill all of the shit. So other classes of disinfectants are added over and above the chlorine. Mmm.
    "May you live in interesting times."
  • StarfallStarfall Posts: 548
    TravisTheSky wrote:
    Starfall wrote:
    the chlorine in the water is there for a reason - it's used to kill dangerous bacteria like E. coli that can invade our water supply. You REALLY want to bring back cholera epidemics and such stuff?

    No, of course not. I didn't go into bacterial contaminants in my post. The faeces AND the disinfectants are all in the public water supply! I was reading a recent water quality report for the area which explained that the maximum legally-allowed limit of chlorine is not adequate to kill all of the shit. So other classes of disinfectants are added over and above the chlorine. Mmm.

    Sounds like your filtration system is inadequate to deal with the contaminants in the drinking water. Chlorination doesn't kill everything - it won't kill parasites such as Cryptosproidium, for instance.

    If we even got close to a level where our chlorination doesn't become effective enough (we have to monitor the raw water constantly for bacteria and turbidity) then we have to take drastic measures and notify the appropriate state and federal agencies. We take our work very seriously over here.
    "It's not hard to own something. Or everything. You just have to know that it's yours, and then be willing to let it go." - Neil Gaiman, "Stardust"
  • TravisTheSkyTravisTheSky Posts: 615
    scb wrote:
    :roll:

    What? Do you mean that taking fluoride internally with every swallow of beverage is delicious and nutritious?

    The fluoride that occurs naturally in some waters is calcium fluoride. That is the least harmful. The type in most toothpaste is sodium fluoride, a very different chemical: "Call your Poison Control Center immediately" is the warning on toothpaste. Sodium fluoride is a common pesticide and rat posion. It's not a nutrient! Water utilities often use sodium fluoride and/or fluorosalicylic acid, byproducts of aluminum smelting and fertiliser production. They are so deadly that they cannot legally be disposed of anywhere (So they can only be stored, I guess? Which could be why the companies cleverly sell the toxic waste to water utilities.)

    WCVB in Boston did a story last week about one town's imported Chinese fluoride being contaminated with an unknown substance. The clip is on YouTube. There's a brief photo of an actual bag of this Chinese fluoride: In huge letters at the top, a warning states that the fluoride is deathly poison which targets the liver, bones, teeth, etc. The screen shot was of too low a resolution to post here. But I tried... I'm not just making up fairy stories to amuse you.

    My neighbour DIED of bone cancer in December. Bioaccumulative flouride in bones is one major cause of bone cancer, especially in males. Obviously, I have no idea if his cancer was caused by fluoride. But his death is a great reason to try even harder to prevent cancer in myself.
    "May you live in interesting times."
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    the science behind flouride is very shady ... the thing that gets me is where most of it comes from when sold to municipal water outlets and retailers ... it's from the toxic waste created by the pesticide industry ... it can't be good for us ...

    anyhoo - i think i read that flouride is more poisonous than lead on the poison scale ... and as cancer rates continue to rise ... it might be time to look at who's in charge ...
  • he still standshe still stands Posts: 2,835
    FiveB247x wrote:
    Whether by our doing or our environment's own systems, Thomas Malthus will win in the end. Simply Unsustainable.

    If it is our doing... that isn't really Malthus' argument, right? I don't think the problem is with there not being enough to go around, the problem is with human error ("negative externalities" for the economist) and unequitable distribution. Malthus was saying that we would literally not have enough to go around... which I don't think will ever be the case.
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  • spatspat Posts: 644
    Fresh water rules, plain and simple. I have a campaign going on over at MyCharity:Water. If you guys remember before the holidays PJ posted 10 ways to give your time and money to good causes, this was one of them. If anyone can spare 20 bucks to contribute it'd be awesome. The campaign has 45 days left and I need $265 to reach my goal, any help would be much appreciated!

    http://mycharitywater.org/p/campaign?campaign_id=3553
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  • FiveB247xFiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    I disagree solely because if we're ruining the environment which prevents us from sustaining life (food, water, living), then it's actually a bit of both. And albeit we don't actually have a food or water shortage in the world currently, people die from not having these resources all the time.

    he still stands wrote:
    FiveB247x wrote:
    Whether by our doing or our environment's own systems, Thomas Malthus will win in the end. Simply Unsustainable.

    If it is our doing... that isn't really Malthus' argument, right? I don't think the problem is with there not being enough to go around, the problem is with human error ("negative externalities" for the economist) and unequitable distribution. Malthus was saying that we would literally not have enough to go around... which I don't think will ever be the case.
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • arthurdentarthurdent Posts: 969
    FiveB247x wrote:
    Whether by our doing or our environment's own systems, Thomas Malthus will win in the end. Simply Unsustainable.

    Norman Borlaug trumps Malthus every time :D
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  • IdrisIdris Posts: 2,317
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRNVMduMy4A

    The Fluoride Deception
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5HN4Rkxx78

    And Mr Ralph Nader on Water Fluoridation
  • 7RayZ7RayZ Posts: 488
    I used to live in a town that had radiation exceeding EPA limits by an extraordinary amount. They produced food within a superfund site.

    Now here where I live we are fighting reopening an ore mine which will pollute the complete water table for a 100 mile radius.

    It never ends and it may never be reconciled.

    People also cannot eat the fish out of the lakes without mercury poisoning.
  • markin ballmarkin ball Posts: 1,075
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  • puremagicpuremagic Posts: 1,907
    Protection the world's water is an environmental issue, not just for ducks, birds, and fish; more important, it is a life sustaining issue for the human race, nature, and earth itself. The players/benefactors in all these crisis, [banking, economy, environment, oil, currency, food, health, wars] always seem to be linked. Fitting that Cerberus is their chosen entity; when grouped with their partners in Europe, you get the ultimate Hydra beast.


    Blue Gold: Water Wars a documentary (you can watch it at this link)
    http://watchdocumentary.com/watch/blue- ... 9b5f2.html


    2006 Bush family buys 100,000 acre ranch in Paraguay. This ranch
    --is on a natural gas reserve
    --sits atop a large portion of South American's largest water aquifer, the Guaraní Aquifer
    --US built a secret military base in the area
    http://www.matador94.nl/current-events/ ... uay-brazil


    Fluoride has always been known as a chemical inhibitor and in large quantities a poison.
    http://farmwars.info/?p=3613

    Here's a sweet gift of death from none other than Donald Rumsfeld
    http://www.rense.com/general67/rum.htm
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  • IdrisIdris Posts: 2,317
    http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/sepp/2006/12/30/fluoride_accumulates_in_pineal_gland.htm

    http://www.fluoridealert.org/health/

    Fluoride water 'causes cancer'

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2005/jun/12/medicineandhealth.genderissues

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