The irony of it all (or, defending the whiners)
There is so much irony in the various posts reflexively defending the band and the Ten Club against the numerous criticisms raised on Wednesday and attacking those airing their concerns. First, some of the same people who have dismissed the complaints of other posters by telling them that no one is forcing them to be in the fan club or buy tickets to the show are complaining themselves that they are sick of reading the posts of "whiners." These folks should apply their own logic and consider that no one is forcing them to read the offending posts, which are generally clearly identifiable as complaints and easy to skip.
Second, several posters have dismissed others' complaints by calling for perspective, noting that there are bigger problems in the world. However, no one is calling for an investigation by Congress into these matters. No one is calling for a preemptive invasion of P.O. Box 4570. People are raising their concerns in an entirely appropriate manner-- by posting on the message board where the complaints will be read by people who can address the problems. Registering complaints on this board is not keeping us from achieving peace in the Middle East, rebuilding Haiti or lowering health-care costs.
The bottom line is that the various complaints have been perfectly legitimate, especially given the tremendous amount of aggravation experienced by many fans of the band while trying to purchase tickets today. (I spent five hours today unsuccessfully attempting to procure tickets to the New York shows. This was extremely frustrating. It was not the first time this ticketing system has been used, so problems could have been anticipated. Simply put, there has to be a better way to handle this.)
Ticket prices are expensive, and times are tough for a lot of people. The band has been vocal about keeping prices down, and about unexplained fees. It is a valid criticism to point out this tension. It is remarkable the extent to which some people twist themselves into pretzels by reflexively defending the band and the Ten Club against constructive criticism with logical fallacies and straw men (e.g., "the band has a right to make as much money as it wants"-- no one is arguing that the band doesn't have the ability to charge what it wishes, but posters have a right to criticize the band if they feel it is being greedy or hypocritical).
Having said all that, now can't we all just get along. And if anyone has an extra for the two New York shows, I need.
BF25394
Member No. 163xxx
Second, several posters have dismissed others' complaints by calling for perspective, noting that there are bigger problems in the world. However, no one is calling for an investigation by Congress into these matters. No one is calling for a preemptive invasion of P.O. Box 4570. People are raising their concerns in an entirely appropriate manner-- by posting on the message board where the complaints will be read by people who can address the problems. Registering complaints on this board is not keeping us from achieving peace in the Middle East, rebuilding Haiti or lowering health-care costs.
The bottom line is that the various complaints have been perfectly legitimate, especially given the tremendous amount of aggravation experienced by many fans of the band while trying to purchase tickets today. (I spent five hours today unsuccessfully attempting to procure tickets to the New York shows. This was extremely frustrating. It was not the first time this ticketing system has been used, so problems could have been anticipated. Simply put, there has to be a better way to handle this.)
Ticket prices are expensive, and times are tough for a lot of people. The band has been vocal about keeping prices down, and about unexplained fees. It is a valid criticism to point out this tension. It is remarkable the extent to which some people twist themselves into pretzels by reflexively defending the band and the Ten Club against constructive criticism with logical fallacies and straw men (e.g., "the band has a right to make as much money as it wants"-- no one is arguing that the band doesn't have the ability to charge what it wishes, but posters have a right to criticize the band if they feel it is being greedy or hypocritical).
Having said all that, now can't we all just get along. And if anyone has an extra for the two New York shows, I need.
BF25394
Member No. 163xxx
I gather speed from you fucking with me.
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Agreed. Eddie will take 10 minutes in a show that we paid good money for to bitch and moan about stuff we really can't control or the West Memphis 3 or high beer prices at the venue or Tom Tomorrow's job but god forbid we question him and the bands motives.
Excellent post, OP. Excellent post. Eddie would be proud.
I could see the debate and disappointment with it, but flying off the deep end like people are doing classifies as whining and you have to think if this causes that much anguish, ones priorities should be reassessed.
Neil deGrasse Tyson
Why not (V) (°,,,,°) (V) ?
True. But you can make the shut down process quick and painless or slow and agonizing. Even if you get tickets, the process is slow and agonizing.
great post that man! :thumbup:
What did the 10C say . . .
• DO NOT LOGIN USING MULTIPLE COMPUTERS!!!!! This creates a bottle neck of web traffic which can result in site failure and loss of ticket order. We can not stress this one enough.
We can not stress this one enough. We can not stress this one enough. We can not stress this one enough.
People who got shut out should be mad at people like "ssdr18".
"two computers up and 3 browsers"
Sad fact . . . . a lot of 10C members logon using multiple computers . . . .
Their are also a lot of 10C members that are scam artists . . . multiple memberships (brother, sister, uncle, etc) . . . having 10C tickets to a show but trying upgrade their location by saying they don't have 10C tickets. There is a group of gals that always find some willing partner to split a pair of 10C tickets in a better location than their own 10C seats. I just have to laugh at these people . . . pathetic.
I know a 10C member in Florida that works in an IT department and uses his staff to run 6 computers with 3 memberships (himself, mom, and brother) to buy tickets to NYC shows.
There is a segment of 10C members that are kind of slimy.
LOL . . . a terrorist . . . Really! LOL
Please . . . a little dramatic don't you think? A terrorist . . . LOL LOL LOL
Yeah, it was a joke...
I liked the old system of one pair of tickets to a single show. Others didn't as they liked to travel to multiple shows. The system changed.
I liked mailing in my order via the US Mail. Others embraced technology and online ticketing emerged. The system changed.
I used to worry about getting tickets to a show 4 hours away from me. I now will wait until the band comes closer to where I live. I've changed.
The irony is that it is evolution baby.
Take it or leave it.
Cheers,
PBM
Wishlist Foundation: http://wishlistfoundation.org
Using some sarcasm to stress your point
I guess I will just never understand this sense of entitlement that some people have. Its like they think the band or someone owes them something. Life if full of dissappointment and frustration. This isn't a conspiracy.
For some people whining/moaning must be their therapy.
I always thought this "sense of entitlement" was what this band was not about.
Then here I am complaining about complainers.
agreed it should be quick, but is going to he painful anyway :P
Neil deGrasse Tyson
Why not (V) (°,,,,°) (V) ?
I think the bulk of the frustration is over a buying process that is not very efficient. Like I wrote last night, the MSG 2 show was in such high demand that it rendered the website useless almost from go. Then, the concert was temporarily out of stock for 3 1/2 hours, only to have the occasional ticket available to folks. That is just nonsense. I refuse to believe there isn't a better way to do that. Not to mention, the ridiculous amount of computer crashes, timeouts, etc.
If a concert sells out, so be it. What is frustrating, in 2010, that purchasing a product on the internet devolved so quickly into Lord of the Flies. That is what the Ten Club should be called to task on. I know they are doing us a "solid" by reserving ticket for fan club folks...but, remember we are still paying a pretty penny for these tickets and we pay for the right to get these in advance, whether or not we actual buy them. So, to me, this is the same arrange as any other purchase I make. It is only reasonable to expect that the transactions are handled in a modern and professional way. No one could have tried to buy tickets yesterday and felt that it was a good experience. Hell, I got tickets to Boston and MSG 2 and I spent the whole night fuming over how frustrating the process was with crashed computers and the like.
I know a guy who is always front & center at every show. He told me he bought someone else's 10C # for about $1000...king slimy. I'm quite sure Eddie & co. are sick of looking at his face every NY area show!!
I would gladly sell my number for charity.
PBM
Wishlist Foundation: http://wishlistfoundation.org
I guess I'm used to it. Its stressful but that's the way it is. Its still indoors out of the elements, instead of in a line on a concrete sidewalk overnight with rain or sunburn during the day. Its different than the average transaction because honestly it is somewhat of a feeding frenzy. There's just way more people that want the item, than the number of items. It was somewhat like this for the NIN farewell shows last year, on the NIN website. I just don't see how it can be any different, given the scarcity of the item and the magnitude of desire for it.
I remember being rather pissed about Borgata in 05, but that was a public onsale and it appeared that scalpers bagged a lot of tickets right at the minute they went up. At least here most people who get them are fellow ten club members.
R.i.p. My Dad - May 28, 2007
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It just doesn't make good business sense for them not to fix the problem. For those like me with 10c numbers in the stratosphere anyway, it just wouldn't make sense to renew instead of going through a scalper... I would still stick around to be able to be on the forum, but there are others with more of a life than me who I'm sure wouldn't...
They used to do it by U.S. mail. It's a fair and user-friendly way to do things. I realize that, given the short time window between announcement and show dates for these shows, it might not have worked in this instance.
I do remember that. I remember sending in my ticket order via overnight in 03 in the hopes that it would get there in time to be in! You had to write out just so, on 3x5 cards, with the show, and you had to send in money orders. Maybe its just too labor intensive now? :?
R.i.p. My Dad - May 28, 2007
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