TX Board of Education removes Thomas Jefferson from txtbooks

Pepe SilviaPepe Silvia Posts: 3,758
edited March 2010 in A Moving Train
though i don't care about the last one since we ARE a constitutional republic...


http://thinkprogress.org/2010/03/12/tex ... textbooks/
Texas Board of Education cuts Thomas Jefferson out of its textbooks.
The Texas Board of Education has been meeting this week to revise its social studies curriculum. During the past three days, “the board’s far-right faction wielded their power to shape lessons on the civil rights movement, the U.S. free enterprise system and hundreds of other topics”:

– To avoid exposing students to “transvestites, transsexuals and who knows what else,” the Board struck the curriculum’s reference to “sex and gender as social constructs.”

– The Board removed Thomas Jefferson from the Texas curriculum, “replacing him with religious right icon John Calvin.”

– The Board refused to require that “students learn that the Constitution prevents the U.S. government from promoting one religion over all others.”

– The Board struck the word “democratic” from the description of the U.S. government, instead terming it a “constitutional republic.”

As the nation’s second-largest textbook market, Texas has enormous leverage over publishers, who often “craft their standard textbooks based on the specs of the biggest buyers.” Indeed, as The Washington Monthly has reported, “when it comes to textbooks, what happens in Texas rarely stays in Texas.”
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  • keeponrockinkeeponrockin Posts: 7,446
    Wow.

    Just wow.
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  • StarfallStarfall Posts: 548
    It still pisses me off that a single state's bureaucracy that just happens to be dominated by right wing buffoons can dictate to the rest of us what can be taught to our kids.
    "It's not hard to own something. Or everything. You just have to know that it's yours, and then be willing to let it go." - Neil Gaiman, "Stardust"
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    Starfall wrote:
    It still pisses me off that a single state's bureaucracy that just happens to be dominated by right wing buffoons can dictate to the rest of us what can be taught to our kids.
    exactly...texas should not be able to dictate to anyone what should and should not be taught. they take out jefferson but i bet they spend 2 weeks on sam houston, and 3 on the stupid alamo, and throw god in there when talking about the american revolution, because it was god's idea wasn't it???...weren't they talking about seceding from the union again last year??

    and those buffoons in texas wonder why they never get any pearl jam shows...
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • ShawshankShawshank Posts: 1,018
    ...weren't they talking about seceding from the union again last year??

    The Gov. here only talks that way when it's election time. :lol:
  • mysticweedmysticweed Posts: 3,710
    Starfall wrote:
    It still pisses me off that a single state's bureaucracy that just happens to be dominated by right wing buffoons can dictate to the rest of us what can be taught to our kids.

    No shit. What are they going to do, rewrite history? Kind of the way gwb rewrote the constitution, or rather ignored the constitution.
    fuck 'em if they can't take a joke

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  • keeponrockinkeeponrockin Posts: 7,446
    Would anybody REALLY miss Texas?
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  • normnorm Posts: 31,146
    Would anybody REALLY miss Texas?


    pearl jam doesn't even know it's there anymore ;)




    i looked up why they eliminated jefferson and unfortunately i don't read batshit crazy...why is jefferson bad now?
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    Shawshank wrote:
    ...weren't they talking about seceding from the union again last year??

    The Gov. here only talks that way when it's election time. :lol:
    LOL nice one!

    :lol:

    no offense to you personally in my prior post...
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    norm wrote:
    Would anybody REALLY miss Texas?


    pearl jam doesn't even know it's there anymore ;)




    i looked up why they eliminated jefferson and unfortunately i don't read batshit crazy...why is jefferson bad now?
    i am not sure what he did to be eliminated. i remember last week a few people on here were saying how great he was...is it because he is on the $2 bill? anyone remember the old saying "queer as a 2 dollar bill"?

    i wonder how texas will explain it when the first kid says "who is that guy on mount rushmore between washington and theodore roosevelt??"
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • SmellymanSmellyman Asia Posts: 4,524
    let them breakaway and start their own theocracy.

    Take florida as well
  • Sure is funny how Thinkprogress conveniently are spinning this one. They didn't say anything about how the board members on the left wanted the State Board of Education to remove the Chritmas Holliday in a section on culture for 6t graders and add Diwali, a Hindu festival. Also they wanted no mention of any of the founding Farthers, The constitution, The Bill of rights,Capitaliism or free enterprise.

    Instead they wanted a more globalist view and wanted to make america look bad.

    Id be willing to bet some kind of deal was struck as far as Thomas Jefferson goes.
  • redrockredrock Posts: 18,341
    Amazing how history is re-written.
  • and those buffoons in texas wonder why they never get any pearl jam shows...

    :roll: :roll: :roll: . Yeah i can see the band saying " Yeah let's not play in texas because of this latest decision on Textbooks." :crazy: :crazy:
  • flywallyflyflywallyfly Posts: 1,453
    Starfall wrote:
    It still pisses me off that a single state's bureaucracy that just happens to be dominated by right wing buffoons can dictate to the rest of us what can be taught to our kids.
    exactly...texas should not be able to dictate to anyone what should and should not be taught. they take out jefferson but i bet they spend 2 weeks on sam houston, and 3 on the stupid alamo, and throw god in there when talking about the american revolution, because it was god's idea wasn't it???...weren't they talking about seceding from the union again last year??

    and those buffoons in texas wonder why they never get any pearl jam shows...

    Seriously -- why broadbrush everyone in this state with these idiots? It's bad enough I have to live around them without being grouped as one of them. Got it BUFFOON ??!!
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    Starfall wrote:
    It still pisses me off that a single state's bureaucracy that just happens to be dominated by right wing buffoons can dictate to the rest of us what can be taught to our kids.
    exactly...texas should not be able to dictate to anyone what should and should not be taught. they take out jefferson but i bet they spend 2 weeks on sam houston, and 3 on the stupid alamo, and throw god in there when talking about the american revolution, because it was god's idea wasn't it???...weren't they talking about seceding from the union again last year??

    and those buffoons in texas wonder why they never get any pearl jam shows...

    Seriously -- why broadbrush everyone in this state with these idiots? It's bad enough I have to live around them without being grouped as one of them. Got it BUFFOON ??!!
    sorry, but i could do without texas and the backwards ass thinking of the people in power there that are affecting what my kids might learn in school.. not to mention, this is the state that gave us LBJ and GWB...as far as i'm concerned, they can secede and deal with their problems on their own. i can't be bothered with them...
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    prfctlefts wrote:
    Sure is funny how Thinkprogress conveniently are spinning this one. They didn't say anything about how the board members on the left wanted the State Board of Education to remove the Chritmas Holliday in a section on culture for 6t graders and add Diwali, a Hindu festival. Also they wanted no mention of any of the founding Farthers, The constitution, The Bill of rights,Capitaliism or free enterprise.

    Instead they wanted a more globalist view and wanted to make america look bad.

    Id be willing to bet some kind of deal was struck as far as Thomas Jefferson goes.
    so what is wrong with our kids being more worldly? we can not continue to go generation after generation telling our kids how america is the greatest thing since sliced bread when we clearly have skeletons in our closet that we should not be proud of. you forget that in 25 years white people will be a minority, so why not expose the kids to customs of other countries? what is wrong with a globalist view? god forbid we raise more well rounded kids that are considerate of other people in this world. WE do not own the world, got it?
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    prfctlefts wrote:
    and those buffoons in texas wonder why they never get any pearl jam shows...

    :roll: :roll: :roll: . Yeah i can see the band saying " Yeah let's not play in texas because of this latest decision on Textbooks." :crazy: :crazy:
    i'm not the first one to have said it. look back at threads from 2 years ago.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • Pepe SilviaPepe Silvia Posts: 3,758
    Starfall wrote:
    It still pisses me off that a single state's bureaucracy that just happens to be dominated by right wing buffoons can dictate to the rest of us what can be taught to our kids.
    exactly...texas should not be able to dictate to anyone what should and should not be taught. they take out jefferson but i bet they spend 2 weeks on sam houston, and 3 on the stupid alamo, and throw god in there when talking about the american revolution, because it was god's idea wasn't it???...weren't they talking about seceding from the union again last year??

    and those buffoons in texas wonder why they never get any pearl jam shows...

    Seriously -- why broadbrush everyone in this state with these idiots? It's bad enough I have to live around them without being grouped as one of them. Got it BUFFOON ??!!


    don't worry, everyone knows Austin is an exception ;)
    don't compete; coexist

    what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?

    "I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama

    when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
    i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
  • Pepe SilviaPepe Silvia Posts: 3,758
    prfctlefts wrote:
    Sure is funny how Thinkprogress conveniently are spinning this one. They didn't say anything about how the board members on the left wanted the State Board of Education to remove the Chritmas Holliday in a section on culture for 6t graders and add Diwali, a Hindu festival. Also they wanted no mention of any of the founding Farthers, The constitution, The Bill of rights,Capitaliism or free enterprise.

    Instead they wanted a more globalist view and wanted to make america look bad.

    Id be willing to bet some kind of deal was struck as far as Thomas Jefferson goes.


    do you have links? because the thinkprogress gave links which included the AP
    don't compete; coexist

    what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?

    "I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama

    when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
    i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
  • tybirdtybird Posts: 17,388
    I wonder if this is the same Board that I saw a piece on TV about......that plan was to NOT teach any U.S. history prior to 1870....as we all know....nothing important happened before then. :ugeek:
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  • flywallyflyflywallyfly Posts: 1,453
    That's fine Gimme-- but here is an idea !! Why dont you get your school board to find an alternative to these textbooks? I know that you might have to get off your computer sitting ass and make some calls or move a petition around but then you wouldnt have the state of Texas shaping your kid !!

    As far as seceding -- i would never want that and would move if it occured.... but if it did happen I believe the U.S. would be hurt more than this state would since we have the 2nd largest economy in the nation and rank #15 in the world. As a whole, Texas is a "tax donor state" with Texans receiving back approximately $0.94 per every dollar of federal income taxes collected in 2005.[9] I'm guessing the oil refineries might raise their rates for out of Texas sales as well ;) .
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Texas
  • keeponrockinkeeponrockin Posts: 7,446
    I don't really mind celebrating Christmas in schools... I'm as Atheist as they come, but still celebrate with my family. It's a time to gather with the people you love, drink, exchange gifts, and be merry! What's not to love? I also don't mind schools teaching about other holidays. When I moved to Canada (grade 4), I had no idea what Ramadan was! You would think that if they taught at least the basics of Christmas and Hannakauh (sp) they would teach the other too. Oh well.
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  • StarfallStarfall Posts: 548
    edited March 2010
    Yeah and Rick Perry begged the Feds to help out when Hurricane Ike nailed Galveston... some secessionist he is. :lol:
    this is the state that gave us LBJ and GWB...as far as i'm concerned, they can secede and deal with their problems on their own. i can't be bothered with them...

    OK, I'm gonna have to take issue with you on that one. To compare LBJ, the archtect of the Great Society, who signed into law Medicare and the Voting Rights Act, to Chimpy McCodpiece, who single handedly ran this country into the ground, is a bit over the top. LBJ got us into Vietnam, true, but at least that was only ONE bad war. Chimpy got us into two.

    As far as Texas, let's also remember that the state gave us such liberal minds as Bill Moyers, Jim Hightower, and Molly Ivins.
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  • flywallyflyflywallyfly Posts: 1,453
    Rick Perry is a real douchebag (and that's not fair to douchebags). Be afraid "ya'll" -- he has national aspirations politically......
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  • Pepe SilviaPepe Silvia Posts: 3,758
    i don't know that you could say texas gave us gwb...they at least gave us Bill Hicks!
    don't compete; coexist

    what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?

    "I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama

    when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
    i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    i don't know that you could say texas gave us gwb...they at least gave us Bill Hicks!
    IMO they can keep both of those rednecks..
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • weenieweenie Posts: 1,623
    Rick Perry is a real douchebag (and that's not fair to douchebags). Be afraid "ya'll" -- he has national aspirations politically......

    Yes, be VERY afraid. He's even worse than dubya, and I wouldn't have thought that possible.

    That being said, I want to reply to some of the "bashers" of Texas. Granted I live in Austin - which is by far the best city I have ever lived in as far as people, music, environmental concerns and natural beauty goes. I've lived in big cities, small cities, on both coasts and in between. I chose to live in Austin and am glad I did.

    Texas, as a state, has a lot going for it - conservative spending, cutting edge technology, strong economy and lots of creative juices emanating from Austin. And, Texans have big hearts. I've dealt with people from Dallas and Houston by phone on all your general "life" type issues and found them to be far more helpful and concerned than say people I dealt with on some of the same issues in places like Atlanta where the power structure is as ignorant as they come.

    As for the religious right and the ultra-conservatives making ridiculous rules like taking Jefferson out of history books, what I've seen happen over the past couple of years I've been here is that eventually reason takes over and these archaic rulings are overturned. It doesn't help that we have a Governor who's obviously had a lobotomy.

    There are a LOT of bright minds here, but the entrenchment of BIG money and far-right zealots has existed for a very long time. Hopefully one day their influcence will wane. I know I absolutely love the lifestyle and the people I've come to know here in Austin. Perhaps one day Austin's philosophical style can influence the power brokers in the rest of the state. Change occurs slowly. And Texas is one big ass state!
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  • SmellymanSmellyman Asia Posts: 4,524
    what you described is states and countries every where.

    Problem is Texas is becoming more backwards everyday.
  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    [quote="Pepe Silvia"though i don't care about the last one since we ARE a constitutional republic...


    http://thinkprogress.org/2010/03/12/tex ... textbooks/
    Texas Board of Education cuts Thomas Jefferson out of its textbooks.
    The Texas Board of Education has been meeting this week to revise its social studies curriculum. During the past three days, “the board’s far-right faction wielded their power to shape lessons on the civil rights movement, the U.S. free enterprise system and hundreds of other topics”:

    – To avoid exposing students to “transvestites, transsexuals and who knows what else,” the Board struck the curriculum’s reference to “sex and gender as social constructs.”...[/quote]

    how about avoid exposing the kids to bigots..is that anywhere in the curriculum????


    some good things do come out of TX though...
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