That wacky Sean Penn

Pepe Silvia

prfctlefts wrote:

http://www.robertamsterdam.com/2010/01/hugo_chavezs_attempted_murder_of_a_judge.htm

http://www.vcrisis.com/index.php?conten ... sassinated or missing

Carlos Augusto Aumatrie (assassinated)
Juan Carlos Urbano Lugo (assassinated)
Jose Manuel Vilas Liñera (assassinated)
Omar Arturo Morales
Juan Jose Perez
Juan Ernesto Sanchez
Andres Bastidas Guedes
Jose Luis Rodriguez
Eduardo Jose Miranda
Julio Cesar Gomez
Rafael Tomas Pulido Marcano (APPEARED BADLY TORTURED)
Pedro Jose Sanchez Robles (assassinated)
William Alvarez Morales (assassinated)
Yormy Rafael Suarez Riveros (assassinated)
Evangelina Carrizo (assassinated)
Dictor Damas (assassinated)
Bruno Biella (assassinated)
Marvin Carrasco
Nelly Rodriguez Martinez (assassinated)
Jose Guevara Reyes (assassinated)
Juan Carlos Zambrano (assassinated)
Argenis Dugarte (assassinated)
Jose Guevara Reyes (assassinated)
Jose Sanchez Robles (assassinated)
Jose Luis Ricaurte (assassinated)
José Antonio Quero
Carlos Armando López Martínez
Nelson Alexander Batista
Orlando Antonio Bustamante, (soldier: severely burnt whilst under military arrest)
Ángel Ciro Pedreáñez, (soldier: severely burnt whilst under military arrest)
Maritza Ron, assassinated in Altamira Square on August 16th 2004
Silvino Bustillos. Gone missing on October 31 2004. Has not been seen since. Allegedly tortured and assassinated by a Military Intelligence squad commanded by National Guard Lieutenant Danny Alfredo Daniels Perez.
Antonio Lopez Castillo, assassinated by the State police
Juan Carlos Sanchez, assassinated by the State police
Romer Luján, (soldier: severely burnt whilst under military arrest)
Raúl Royett Gutiérrez, (soldier: severely burnt whilst under military arrest)
Leonardo González Lárez (student), assassinated by a military police death squad on June 27th 2005
Edgar Quintero Torrealba (student), assassinated by a military police death squad on June 27th 2005
Erick Miguel Montenegro Sánchez (student), assassinated by a military police death squad on June 27th 2005

and yet i have a feeling if someone posted a list of people who were critical of the past administration that died or had accidents you would say it was a crazy conspiracy theory....

aerial

brandon10 wrote:

lukin2006 wrote:

unsung wrote:

Is that all you guys have is fox news? I'll find a different link so maybe Penn's comments can be discussed.

I doubt there's much to discuss, he believes Chavez was elected, didn't Saddam claim to be the elected leader of Iraq. He wants journalist jailed for voicing their opinions, well what about his opinions?

All of fox news should be round up and shot!!!! Fuck jailing them.

Great examples of the fringe! You may need some anger management sessions....do you want to shoot everyone you disagree with?

Cliffy6745

Calm down people, stop taking everything so literally

acrossssSsssshittt

Sean Penn's a rocker and this just convinces me even more... if the converse is true in so many respects, such as people gettin imprisoned, silences or just fucked up for speakin their mind and protestin, so that some might not wish to accept it but thats "dictatorship" just as much as anythin else ( and i don't even know where to start) why should Penn be criticized for advocatin this... it's just him voicing out his annoyance and disgust at ignorant fucks... it aint like it's actually gonna happen... and if it does, fuck yeah i like it...

plus if he digs Eddie, I dig him: )

brandon10

Cliffy6745 wrote:

Calm down people, stop taking everything so literally

Bingo....

Glen Beck and hannity really have them worked up. Penn's comment was taken out of context. He was basically just pointing out how much the media lies. And they continue to prove his point.

brandon10

unsung wrote:

brandon10 wrote:

All of fox news should be round up and shot!!!! Fuck jailing them.

I find it interesting that you being one of the biggest anti-gun people here have no problem using them when it suits your desires.

That's because I wasn't serious. Just like Sean Penn was not serious. As bad as Fox news is, I don't wish them all to die. Well maybe Hannity. Na....not even that douchebag.

You rightwingers get so worked up. Tell us why Chavez is soooo bad? Should we invade Venezuela next?

g under p

brandon10 wrote:

unsung wrote:

brandon10 wrote:

All of fox news should be round up and shot!!!! Fuck jailing them.

I find it interesting that you being one of the biggest anti-gun people here have no problem using them when it suits your desires.

That's because I wasn't serious. Just like Sean Penn was not serious. As bad as Fox news is, I don't wish them all to die. Well maybe Hannity. Na....not even that douchebag.

You rightwingers get so worked up. Tell us why Chavez is soooo bad? Should we invade Venezuela next?

If we did I'm sure there wouldn't be too much of an objection from the right don't forget he has oil too.

peace

brandon10

And that is exactly the main reason the right has villainized him. He told us "our oil corporations" to go fuck themselves. It's funny how that works.

Cliffy6745

brandon10 wrote:

Cliffy6745 wrote:

Calm down people, stop taking everything so literally

Bingo....

Glen Beck and hannity really have them worked up. Penn's comment was taken out of context. He was basically just pointing out how much the media lies. And they continue to prove his point.

Some of them need to take a deep breath some times. Not everything is so serious. I think anyone with an ounce of common sense can understand you do not want to murder Beck and Hannity.

Fucking drama queens.

WaveCameCrashin

Pepe Silvia wrote:

prfctlefts wrote:

http://www.robertamsterdam.com/2010/01/hugo_chavezs_attempted_murder_of_a_judge.htm

http://www.vcrisis.com/index.php?conten ... sassinated or missing

Carlos Augusto Aumatrie (assassinated)
Juan Carlos Urbano Lugo (assassinated)
Jose Manuel Vilas Liñera (assassinated)
Omar Arturo Morales
Juan Jose Perez
Juan Ernesto Sanchez
Andres Bastidas Guedes
Jose Luis Rodriguez
Eduardo Jose Miranda
Julio Cesar Gomez
Rafael Tomas Pulido Marcano (APPEARED BADLY TORTURED)
Pedro Jose Sanchez Robles (assassinated)
William Alvarez Morales (assassinated)
Yormy Rafael Suarez Riveros (assassinated)
Evangelina Carrizo (assassinated)
Dictor Damas (assassinated)
Bruno Biella (assassinated)
Marvin Carrasco
Nelly Rodriguez Martinez (assassinated)
Jose Guevara Reyes (assassinated)
Juan Carlos Zambrano (assassinated)
Argenis Dugarte (assassinated)
Jose Guevara Reyes (assassinated)
Jose Sanchez Robles (assassinated)
Jose Luis Ricaurte (assassinated)
José Antonio Quero
Carlos Armando López Martínez
Nelson Alexander Batista
Orlando Antonio Bustamante, (soldier: severely burnt whilst under military arrest)
Ángel Ciro Pedreáñez, (soldier: severely burnt whilst under military arrest)
Maritza Ron, assassinated in Altamira Square on August 16th 2004
Silvino Bustillos. Gone missing on October 31 2004. Has not been seen since. Allegedly tortured and assassinated by a Military Intelligence squad commanded by National Guard Lieutenant Danny Alfredo Daniels Perez.
Antonio Lopez Castillo, assassinated by the State police
Juan Carlos Sanchez, assassinated by the State police
Romer Luján, (soldier: severely burnt whilst under military arrest)
Raúl Royett Gutiérrez, (soldier: severely burnt whilst under military arrest)
Leonardo González Lárez (student), assassinated by a military police death squad on June 27th 2005
Edgar Quintero Torrealba (student), assassinated by a military police death squad on June 27th 2005
Erick Miguel Montenegro Sánchez (student), assassinated by a military police death squad on June 27th 2005

and yet i have a feeling if someone posted a list of people who were critical of the past administration that died or had accidents you would say it was a crazy conspiracy theory....

Does such a list exist? If so I would love to see it. But instead of staying on topic you jump off a cliff. Just like a typical liberal. When Facts come into play, quick change the subject.....
So what next ? Are you going to tell me that these people never existed ?

Pepe Silvia

prfctlefts wrote:

Pepe Silvia wrote:

prfctlefts wrote:

http://www.robertamsterdam.com/2010/01/hugo_chavezs_attempted_murder_of_a_judge.htm

http://www.vcrisis.com/index.php?conten ... sassinated or missing

Carlos Augusto Aumatrie (assassinated)
Juan Carlos Urbano Lugo (assassinated)
Jose Manuel Vilas Liñera (assassinated)
Omar Arturo Morales
Juan Jose Perez
Juan Ernesto Sanchez
Andres Bastidas Guedes
Jose Luis Rodriguez
Eduardo Jose Miranda
Julio Cesar Gomez
Rafael Tomas Pulido Marcano (APPEARED BADLY TORTURED)
Pedro Jose Sanchez Robles (assassinated)
William Alvarez Morales (assassinated)
Yormy Rafael Suarez Riveros (assassinated)
Evangelina Carrizo (assassinated)
Dictor Damas (assassinated)
Bruno Biella (assassinated)
Marvin Carrasco
Nelly Rodriguez Martinez (assassinated)
Jose Guevara Reyes (assassinated)
Juan Carlos Zambrano (assassinated)
Argenis Dugarte (assassinated)
Jose Guevara Reyes (assassinated)
Jose Sanchez Robles (assassinated)
Jose Luis Ricaurte (assassinated)
José Antonio Quero
Carlos Armando López Martínez
Nelson Alexander Batista
Orlando Antonio Bustamante, (soldier: severely burnt whilst under military arrest)
Ángel Ciro Pedreáñez, (soldier: severely burnt whilst under military arrest)
Maritza Ron, assassinated in Altamira Square on August 16th 2004
Silvino Bustillos. Gone missing on October 31 2004. Has not been seen since. Allegedly tortured and assassinated by a Military Intelligence squad commanded by National Guard Lieutenant Danny Alfredo Daniels Perez.
Antonio Lopez Castillo, assassinated by the State police
Juan Carlos Sanchez, assassinated by the State police
Romer Luján, (soldier: severely burnt whilst under military arrest)
Raúl Royett Gutiérrez, (soldier: severely burnt whilst under military arrest)
Leonardo González Lárez (student), assassinated by a military police death squad on June 27th 2005
Edgar Quintero Torrealba (student), assassinated by a military police death squad on June 27th 2005
Erick Miguel Montenegro Sánchez (student), assassinated by a military police death squad on June 27th 2005

and yet i have a feeling if someone posted a list of people who were critical of the past administration that died or had accidents you would say it was a crazy conspiracy theory....

Does such a list exist? If so I would love to see it. But instead of staying on topic you jump off a cliff. Just like a typical liberal. When Facts come into play, quick change the subject.....
So what next ? Are you going to tell me that these people never existed ?

would you like me to? tell the universe what you need, prfctlefts

i did read an article a few years ago about people critical of the bush administration and the war and there were quite a few that died in plane crashes, like wellstone. i wasn't changing the subject, i was calling into question how quickly you'd accept such a story about a different president, like one that you agreed with.\

i already said i didn't support the suppressive measures he's taken and if he's had people that were critical of him killed then i wouldn't support that, either, in fact i don't think anyone here would

fuck

I'm gonna take a break from what seems to be the trend of this thread and try to apply some common sense to the following words:

maybe Sean Penn wasn't advocating for the suspension of first amendment rights and calling for the assassination of everyone who disagrees with him - maybe he was just using an exaggeration to get across the point that he's frustrated with a slander campaign that has been plaguing journalists, whose job it is NOT to present their opinion oftentimes but facts, to use terms like 'dictator' incorrectly. I don't know about you guys, but I don't think Sean Penn would be in favor of a military dictatorship with no free media in this country, but maybe he just doesn't like journalists lying.

alright, back to your nonsense...

Byrnzie

prfctlefts wrote:

http://www.vcrisis.com/index.php?content=letters/200403020624Assassinated or missing

Carlos Augusto Aumatrie (assassinated)
Juan Carlos Urbano Lugo (assassinated)
Jose Manuel Vilas Liñera (assassinated)
Omar Arturo Morales
Juan Jose Perez
Juan Ernesto Sanchez
Andres Bastidas Guedes
Jose Luis Rodriguez
Eduardo Jose Miranda
Julio Cesar Gomez
Rafael Tomas Pulido Marcano (APPEARED BADLY TORTURED)
Pedro Jose Sanchez Robles (assassinated)
William Alvarez Morales (assassinated)
Yormy Rafael Suarez Riveros (assassinated)
Evangelina Carrizo (assassinated)
Dictor Damas (assassinated)
Bruno Biella (assassinated)
Marvin Carrasco
Nelly Rodriguez Martinez (assassinated)
Jose Guevara Reyes (assassinated)
Juan Carlos Zambrano (assassinated)
Argenis Dugarte (assassinated)
Jose Guevara Reyes (assassinated)
Jose Sanchez Robles (assassinated)
Jose Luis Ricaurte (assassinated)
José Antonio Quero
Carlos Armando López Martínez
Nelson Alexander Batista
Orlando Antonio Bustamante, (soldier: severely burnt whilst under military arrest)
Ángel Ciro Pedreáñez, (soldier: severely burnt whilst under military arrest)
Maritza Ron, assassinated in Altamira Square on August 16th 2004
Silvino Bustillos. Gone missing on October 31 2004. Has not been seen since. Allegedly tortured and assassinated by a Military Intelligence squad commanded by National Guard Lieutenant Danny Alfredo Daniels Perez.
Antonio Lopez Castillo, assassinated by the State police
Juan Carlos Sanchez, assassinated by the State police
Romer Luján, (soldier: severely burnt whilst under military arrest)
Raúl Royett Gutiérrez, (soldier: severely burnt whilst under military arrest)
Leonardo González Lárez (student), assassinated by a military police death squad on June 27th 2005
Edgar Quintero Torrealba (student), assassinated by a military police death squad on June 27th 2005
Erick Miguel Montenegro Sánchez (student), assassinated by a military police death squad on June 27th 2005

I'd like to see some evidence that Chevez was responsible for the deaths of these people instead of just a list of Spanish sounding names that on the surface means fuck-all.

rebornFixer

Byrnzie wrote:

I'd like to see some evidence that Chevez was responsible for the deaths of these people instead of just a list of Spanish sounding names that on the surface means fuck-all.

You can go to human rights watch websites and gets tons of stuff about Chavez ... Or you can drink Oliver Stone's Kool-Aid and believe that Chavez really is a fun-loving jolly cowboy who just wants freedom for all.

Byrnzie

rebornFixer wrote:

Byrnzie wrote:

I'd like to see some evidence that Chevez was responsible for the deaths of these people instead of just a list of Spanish sounding names that on the surface means fuck-all.

You can go to human rights watch websites and gets tons of stuff about Chavez ...

Then go ahead and provide some evidence of those murdered by Chavez. I'm all ears.

So far, when discussing this issue, all I've seen are people rolling out a bunch of Spanish-sounding names, and unfortunately that doesn't amount to jack-shit.

rebornFixer

Byrnzie wrote:

Then go ahead and provide some evidence of those murdered by Chavez. I'm all ears.

So far, when discussing this issue, all I've seen are people rolling out a bunch of Spanish-sounding names, and unfortunately that doesn't amount to jack-shit.

http://www.uncoverage.net/2010/03/hugo- ... -ken-doll/

Excerpt:
“In meticulous detail, the 300-page report documents how Mr. Chávez’s regime has done away with judicial independence, intimidated or eliminated opposition media, stripped elected opposition leaders of their powers, and used bogus criminal charges to silence human rights groups. Much of this has been reported. But the commission, made up of seven jurists and rights activists from Antigua, Argentina, Brazil, Chile and the United States, offers a level of detail and a stance of impartiality that ought to discredit those defenders of Mr. Chávez who paint his critics as Yanqui imperialists or coup-plotters.

Particularly shocking is the commission’s account of the role that violence and murder have played in Mr. Chávez’s concentration of power. The report documents killings of journalists, opposition protesters and farmers; it says that 173 trade union leaders and members were slain between 1997 and 2009 “in the context of trade union violence, with contract killings being the most common method for attacking union leaders.” The report says that in 2008 Venezuela’s human rights ombudsman recorded 134 complaints of arbitrary killings by security forces, 87 allegations of torture and 33 cases of forced disappearance. It also asserts that radical groups allied with Mr. Chávez “are perpetrating acts of violence with the involvement or acquiescence of state agents.

There has been no accountability for these acts. “Impunity,” says the report, “is a common characteristic that equally affects cases of reprisal against dissent, attacks on human rights defenders and on journalists, excessive use of force in response to peaceful protests, abuses of state force, common and organized crime, violence in prisons, violence against women, and other serious human rights violations.”

Byrnzie

rebornFixer wrote:

http://www.uncoverage.net/2010/03/hugo-chavez-despot-murderer-liberal-ken-doll/

Excerpt:
“In meticulous detail, the 300-page report documents how Mr. Chávez’s regime has done away with judicial independence, intimidated or eliminated opposition media, stripped elected opposition leaders of their powers, and used bogus criminal charges to silence human rights groups. Much of this has been reported. But the commission, made up of seven jurists and rights activists from Antigua, Argentina, Brazil, Chile and the United States, offers a level of detail and a stance of impartiality that ought to discredit those defenders of Mr. Chávez who paint his critics as Yanqui imperialists or coup-plotters.

Particularly shocking is the commission’s account of the role that violence and murder have played in Mr. Chávez’s concentration of power. The report documents killings of journalists, opposition protesters and farmers; it says that 173 trade union leaders and members were slain between 1997 and 2009 “in the context of trade union violence, with contract killings being the most common method for attacking union leaders.” The report says that in 2008 Venezuela’s human rights ombudsman recorded 134 complaints of arbitrary killings by security forces, 87 allegations of torture and 33 cases of forced disappearance. It also asserts that radical groups allied with Mr. Chávez “are perpetrating acts of violence with the involvement or acquiescence of state agents.

There has been no accountability for these acts. “Impunity,” says the report, “is a common characteristic that equally affects cases of reprisal against dissent, attacks on human rights defenders and on journalists, excessive use of force in response to peaceful protests, abuses of state force, common and organized crime, violence in prisons, violence against women, and other serious human rights violations.”

This is the same report that CaterinaCK trumpeted a few months back. It contains lots of unsubstantiated allegations. The investigating party did not even set foot inside the country. Until I see some real proof to support these allegations and of Chavez's role in them then I'll continue to dismiss them.
One report from an organization whose headquarters are in Washington D.C, that contains nothing but accusations and assumptions, does not an open and shut case make.

Many of the allegations in this report were addressed in John Pilgers documentary 'The War on Democracy'. Did you see it?

Google Video: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 9629840148

rebornFixer

Well, I am not sure what data will convince you. We are talking about a regime that is not transparent about its activities by definition, and Chavez is not going to be tried for these possible murders anytime soon. If you want to make an innocent until proven guilty argument, sure. I think there's more than enough concerns to warrant an investigation, assuming we stick with a legal system analogy. The Human Rights Watch website has a lot more material on Venezuela, and I think its fair to conclude that Chavez is indeed at the helm of a dictatorial regime. He may not be Saddam Hussein, but he's no Mother Theresa either.

musicismylife78

sean is the real deal. he is one of the best actors alive, does whatever the hell he wants, and speaks his mind without fear of alienating anyone, and I think he personally could care less if he did.

the man can ACT, and the capitalization is intended.

while he may vote democrat, the guy is a radical. his father was a suspected commie, and sean himself is a radical. he has said many times his views on war, on peace, on the environment, on life, and they aint "democrat".

dunkman

musicismylife78 wrote:

sean is the real deal. he is one of the best actors alive, does whatever the hell he wants, and speaks his mind without fear of alienating anyone, and I think he personally could care less if he did.

that means he does care.