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Pepe Silvia
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g55cws6Lhbk
just finished watching this documentary, has anyone else seen it? it's very hopeful, it's about people on both sides pushing for peace, even when the Israeli government seems to want to obstruct that. like there is a publication called windows which has an israeli director and a palestinian director. early on in the doc they try to have a meeting of both groups but the IDF wouldn't allow the israeli's into the occupied territories where the meeting was to be held. at the end of the doc it said the palestinian director was arrested and held without charge for several weeks until the israeli director finally got him a trial which showed there was no evidence or even crime against him and he was released.
it showed other groups like a group for families on both sides that lost children or family members to violence. a woman whose son was killed by a palestinian was on tv and asked how she can say she doesn't hate the people who murdered her son, how can she work with them after all this? she said the question shouldn't be why doesn't she hate someone but why was her son in the occupied territories on the first place? why did israel feel the protection of (illegal) settlers was more important than her son's life?
another father who lost a daughter and is a founder of the bereaved family group had a good exchange on israeli tv:
the interviewer goes on about palestinians cheering in the streets when a martyr is killed and he says
"you're rightfully asking how parents can justify the awful actions of their children. bu perhaps things aren't as simple as that. perhaps we should ask ourselves "how did we push an entire population to laud and praise suicide bombers?"
to which the interviewer says what if it has nothing to do with israel, it's a cultural and societal thing for them.
it also shows some settlers that contradict themselves like saying they don't care how long arabs lived there, it's their land, god promised it to them so they have a divine right to it then turn around and say how can we leave when we've lived here (in the illegal settlements) for 20 or so years? it's not fair to make them leave their homes....and yet they try to force palestinians out of their homes. 1 family talked about how settlers routinely come by and smash all their windows in with baseball bats and the mother knows they do it to drive them out of her home but she refuses to go.
an arab made a good point that say there's a ceasefire and no more suicide bombings, which don't happen too often and no rocket attacks, which don't really kill anyone, either...so the israeli's get that but what happens to the palestinians? they still have checkpoints, they still have settler abuse, they still have the idf and tanks rolling through their towns....
there is a good scene with a former settler who quit his job at some corporation to work at an interfaith peace group standing at a checkpoint and wondering why there is a checkpoint in that particular place when there's only arab villages between it?
at least there's hope....
in the trailer above is a clip of the former settler saying how can he give up now with the weight of all the jewish people throughout time on his back? that's from a longer clip of him saying the history doesn't matter, people need to deal with the situation RIGHT NOW and how many jews use that argument of if they give in everything they strived for would be lost and they have to protect all the jewish people throughout all of history and everything they stood for and did
just finished watching this documentary, has anyone else seen it? it's very hopeful, it's about people on both sides pushing for peace, even when the Israeli government seems to want to obstruct that. like there is a publication called windows which has an israeli director and a palestinian director. early on in the doc they try to have a meeting of both groups but the IDF wouldn't allow the israeli's into the occupied territories where the meeting was to be held. at the end of the doc it said the palestinian director was arrested and held without charge for several weeks until the israeli director finally got him a trial which showed there was no evidence or even crime against him and he was released.
it showed other groups like a group for families on both sides that lost children or family members to violence. a woman whose son was killed by a palestinian was on tv and asked how she can say she doesn't hate the people who murdered her son, how can she work with them after all this? she said the question shouldn't be why doesn't she hate someone but why was her son in the occupied territories on the first place? why did israel feel the protection of (illegal) settlers was more important than her son's life?
another father who lost a daughter and is a founder of the bereaved family group had a good exchange on israeli tv:
the interviewer goes on about palestinians cheering in the streets when a martyr is killed and he says
"you're rightfully asking how parents can justify the awful actions of their children. bu perhaps things aren't as simple as that. perhaps we should ask ourselves "how did we push an entire population to laud and praise suicide bombers?"
to which the interviewer says what if it has nothing to do with israel, it's a cultural and societal thing for them.
it also shows some settlers that contradict themselves like saying they don't care how long arabs lived there, it's their land, god promised it to them so they have a divine right to it then turn around and say how can we leave when we've lived here (in the illegal settlements) for 20 or so years? it's not fair to make them leave their homes....and yet they try to force palestinians out of their homes. 1 family talked about how settlers routinely come by and smash all their windows in with baseball bats and the mother knows they do it to drive them out of her home but she refuses to go.
an arab made a good point that say there's a ceasefire and no more suicide bombings, which don't happen too often and no rocket attacks, which don't really kill anyone, either...so the israeli's get that but what happens to the palestinians? they still have checkpoints, they still have settler abuse, they still have the idf and tanks rolling through their towns....
there is a good scene with a former settler who quit his job at some corporation to work at an interfaith peace group standing at a checkpoint and wondering why there is a checkpoint in that particular place when there's only arab villages between it?
at least there's hope....
in the trailer above is a clip of the former settler saying how can he give up now with the weight of all the jewish people throughout time on his back? that's from a longer clip of him saying the history doesn't matter, people need to deal with the situation RIGHT NOW and how many jews use that argument of if they give in everything they strived for would be lost and they have to protect all the jewish people throughout all of history and everything they stood for and did
don't compete; coexist
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
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what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
he ended up joining a group pushing for peace through non-violence. this is when the guy who convinced yousef visited yousef's house.
the mother whose son was killed by the palestinian wrote a letter to the palestinians parents and said "i know your son didn't kill mine for personal reasons. he killed my son because of history. my son shouldn't have been there. my son was part of an army, an occupying army..."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NlcFYAN-aI
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'