www.coffeepartyusa.org

breath123breath123 Posts: 397
edited March 2010 in A Moving Train
www.coffeepartyusa.org
www.facebook.com/coffeeparty

I think people agree on a lot of things

The government is badly broken, the constitution is all but in name only, the rule of law is not respected. etc

this, to me is what tea party pretends to be, and what most tea party folks think it is.

it's actually grass roots, began as one person and a facebook page. As opposed to the TP which started with lobbyists and multinational corporations speaking through a cable "news" network.

yeah yeah yeah, there's no mention of God or allowing 40,000 people to die per year anywhere so it's probably liberal right? Check it out and figure out what works best for you.
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  • FiveB247xFiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    I think creating "movements" which back the same process and system is useless no matter the catchy name or political leanings/party demographic makeup of the group.
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • breath123breath123 Posts: 397
    FiveB247x wrote:
    I think creating "movements" which back the same process and system is useless no matter the catchy name or political leanings/party demographic makeup of the group.

    interesting, please tell me how the coffee party backs the system as they take no money from corporate interests or lobbyists.
  • FiveB247xFiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    I have but one minor question... how do they plan to make any changes to our government?


    This is from the "About Us" section on the site:
    We are diverse — ethnically, geographically, politically, in age and in experience.

    We are 100% grassroots. No lobbyists here. No pundits. And no hyper-partisan strategists calling the shots in this movement. We are a spontaneous and collective expression of our desire to forge a culture of civic engagement that is solution-oriented, not blame-oriented.

    We demand a government that responds to the needs of the majority of its citizens as expressed by our votes and by our voices; NOT corporate interests as expressed by misleading advertisements and campaign contributions.

    We want a society in which democracy is treated as sacrosanct and ordinary citizens participate out of a sense of civic duty, civic pride, and a desire to contribute to society. The Coffee Party is a call to action. Our Founding Fathers and Mothers gave us an enduring gift — Democracy — and we must use it to meet the challenges that we face as a nation.
    breath123 wrote:
    interesting, please tell me how the coffee party backs the system as they take no money from corporate interests or lobbyists.
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • rebornFixerrebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    The beverage fixation continues. At least "coffee filterer" lacks the other connotations. For now.
  • breath123breath123 Posts: 397
    FiveB247x wrote:
    I have but one minor question... how do they plan to make any changes to our government?

    that's up to you and me. last I heard we have the right to gather and protest. That has the capability to change policy. I think the Tea Party has had an impact and thats just a bunch of crazy people driven by corporations. Think about what a large vocal group armed with facts and historical perspective could do.

    In France and italy the governments are scared of the power of the people. a novel idea in the US I admit.
  • FiveB247xFiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    See here's exactly why I think that's incorrect - in our current state of affairs and system, simply protest and gather does not change things. Also, you deem the tea party as "crazy people driven by corporations", but in the end of the day, if either them or this coffee group have any actual influence, it will only be because they influence elections... ie results by putting people in power, which in turn will gain steam and others will follow in line. Our current administration is an exact example of having altruistic ideas which have been watered down or completely shot down because of the way our political system works. So again, if the aim is to change our government and leaders to influence policy, how will they do it? Their answer is by elections and campaigns... which brings us back to my original point -
    I think creating "movements" which back the same process and system is useless no matter the catchy name or political leanings/party demographic makeup of the group.

    Removing lobbying and private interests from government would fix our broken system, but it can't be done through elections and the voting booth. It becomes a catch 22.
    breath123 wrote:
    that's up to you and me. last I heard we have the right to gather and protest. That has the capability to change policy. I think the Tea Party has had an impact and thats just a bunch of crazy people driven by corporations. Think about what a large vocal group armed with facts and historical perspective could do.

    In France and italy the governments are scared of the power of the people. a novel idea in the US I admit.
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • breath123breath123 Posts: 397
    FiveB247x wrote:
    See here's exactly why I think that's incorrect - in our current state of affairs and system, simply protest and gather does not change things. Also, you deem the tea party as "crazy people driven by corporations", but in the end of the day, if either them or this coffee group have any actual influence, it will only be because they influence elections... ie results by putting people in power, which in turn will gain steam and others will follow in line. Our current administration is an exact example of having altruistic ideas which have been watered down or completely shot down because of the way our political system works. So again, if the aim is to change our government and leaders to influence policy, how will they do it? Their answer is by elections and campaigns... which brings us back to my original point -
    I think creating "movements" which back the same process and system is useless no matter the catchy name or political leanings/party demographic makeup of the group.

    Removing lobbying and private interests from government would fix our broken system, but it can't be done through elections and the voting booth. It becomes a catch 22.
    breath123 wrote:
    that's up to you and me. last I heard we have the right to gather and protest. That has the capability to change policy. I think the Tea Party has had an impact and thats just a bunch of crazy people driven by corporations. Think about what a large vocal group armed with facts and historical perspective could do.

    In France and italy the governments are scared of the power of the people. a novel idea in the US I admit.

    We DO have the power to influence elections. The problem is that we have been lulled to sleep by creature comforts and have or jobs held hostage against us. until we are willing to take a face full of teargas and step in front of the fire hose and go to jail they will never know we are serious. It is done in other countries it can be done here.

    believe me, they are scared shitless of us. why do you think they spend so much money trying to keep us down and divided?

    If it's not that, then it's bloody revolution. Let's save that as plan B.
  • FiveB247xFiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    Well yes in theory we do have power, but at the same time, we have an uneducated, uncaring population in which only half the people vote in best case scenario's. Big business and the government have a rock solid relationship in place to continue their ways, not change them. So while I agree with your notion, the fact remains, in actual practice and execution, it is a completely different story.
    breath123 wrote:
    We DO have the power to influence elections. The problem is that we have been lulled to sleep by creature comforts and have or jobs held hostage against us. until we are willing to take a face full of teargas and step in front of the fire hose and go to jail they will never know we are serious. It is done in other countries it can be done here.

    believe me, they are scared shitless of us. why do you think they spend so much money trying to keep us down and divided?

    If it's not that, then it's bloody revolution. Let's save that as plan B.
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • breath123breath123 Posts: 397
    FiveB247x wrote:
    Well yes in theory we do have power, but at the same time, we have an uneducated, uncaring population in which only half the people vote in best case scenario's. Big business and the government have a rock solid relationship in place to continue their ways, not change them. So while I agree with your notion, the fact remains, in actual practice and execution, it is a completely different story.
    breath123 wrote:
    We DO have the power to influence elections. The problem is that we have been lulled to sleep by creature comforts and have or jobs held hostage against us. until we are willing to take a face full of teargas and step in front of the fire hose and go to jail they will never know we are serious. It is done in other countries it can be done here.

    believe me, they are scared shitless of us. why do you think they spend so much money trying to keep us down and divided?

    If it's not that, then it's bloody revolution. Let's save that as plan B.

    Agree on all counts. However mark my words, Americans have absolutely no tolerance for discomfort. When it gets uncomfortable, things will change....fast.
  • FiveB247xFiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    Well I disagree on this fact as well. Every few years we get fed up with one party due to corruption or poor leadership and we vote the other half back in... and then just repeat the process thereafter. As for "getting uncomfortable", in the past 10 or so years we've seen wars, 9-11, economic hardships of an extreme nature (comparatively to the rest of our history) and it has changed very little in people's reaction to government. In fact, it just showed we become more buckled into extreme ideas and party lines to lead us out of whatever the problem is. So if that doesn't change people's thought process, what will? It's a pretty sad state of affairs to recognize, but it's the truth.
    breath123 wrote:
    Agree on all counts. However mark my words, Americans have absolutely no tolerance for discomfort. When it gets uncomfortable, things will change....fast.
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • flywallyflyflywallyfly Posts: 1,453
    Damn coffeebaggers.
  • g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,200
    Damn coffeebaggers.

    .....or Beanbaggers.... :mrgreen:

    More and more people speaking out however in the end will this kind of protest ever have any effect that will cause change?

    Peace
    *We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti

    *MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
    .....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti

    *The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)


  • breath123breath123 Posts: 397
    g under p wrote:
    Damn coffeebaggers.

    .....or Beanbaggers.... :mrgreen:

    More and more people speaking out however in the end will this kind of protest ever have any effect that will cause change?

    Peace

    well played.
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    is this similar to lemonparty?

    :lol::lol:
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • breath123breath123 Posts: 397
    g under p wrote:
    More and more people speaking out however in the end will this kind of protest ever have any effect that will cause change?

    Peace

    The fact that you even ask this question tells me how lost we are, how far we've fallen from the ideals I grew up with in this country.

    my answer is: it used to. It worked for Gandhi and the Aparteid movement. When Bush wanted to gamble social security funds on the stock market, Even conservative Americans said "Far Enough", and we turned him away. In that one instance and not many others, the system worked.

    Look, the bottom line is that you vote, stay active, and protest. Those are the rules. Politicians controlled by corporations play outside the rules but that's because they can do it without anyone really noticing.

    If we, the people play outside the rules things get unpleasant.

    so bottom line about the coffee party. I joined on facebook because it was making fun of the tea party. Then I realized this is a group I could allign myself with. That's all I can do.
  • FiveB247xFiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    I don't discredit your attempts and efforts to make change, but what do you say of the society around you? All signs point to the opposite of what you're saying - that people won't make things "unpleasant" because they're currently pleasant and comfortable in their own little worlds. I posted more on this matter in an earlier message in this thread and would like to hear what your response is to that (http://forums.pearljam.com/viewtopic.php?p=2819569#p2819569)
    breath123 wrote:
    The fact that you even ask this question tells me how lost we are, how far we've fallen from the ideals I grew up with in this country.

    my answer is: it used to. It worked for Gandhi and the Aparteid movement. When Bush wanted to gamble social security funds on the stock market, Even conservative Americans said "Far Enough", and we turned him away. In that one instance and not many others, the system worked.

    Look, the bottom line is that you vote, stay active, and protest. Those are the rules. Politicians controlled by corporations play outside the rules but that's because they can do it without anyone really noticing.

    If we, the people play outside the rules things get unpleasant.

    so bottom line about the coffee party. I joined on facebook because it was making fun of the tea party. Then I realized this is a group I could allign myself with. That's all I can do.
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • breath123breath123 Posts: 397
    FiveB247x wrote:
    I don't discredit your attempts and efforts to make change, but what do you say of the society around you? All signs point to the opposite of what you're saying - that people won't make things "unpleasant" because they're currently pleasant and comfortable in their own little worlds. I posted more on this matter in an earlier message in this thread and would like to hear what your response is to that (http://forums.pearljam.com/viewtopic.php?p=2819569#p2819569)

    Ah yes, sorry I had meant to respond and my attention was diverted.

    I do not think presently things are not uncomfortable, not by my definition anyway.

    Keep the reality shows going, the in an out burger and pinkberry serving, and the blackberries a tappin, things will remain calm...

    when these things are not accessable on a mass level, it's going to get real ugly real quick.
  • FiveB247xFiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    So what exactly is your definition in this instance of "uncomfortable"? Society on a large scale, so inconvenienced for basic necessities that we somehow revolt against authority? Just trying to piece together what you specifically mean.
    breath123 wrote:
    Ah yes, sorry I had meant to respond and my attention was diverted.

    I do not think presently things are not uncomfortable, not by my definition anyway.

    Keep the reality shows going, the in an out burger and pinkberry serving, and the blackberries a tappin, things will remain calm...

    when these things are not accessable on a mass level, it's going to get real ugly real quick.
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • breath123breath123 Posts: 397
    FiveB247x wrote:
    So what exactly is your definition in this instance of "uncomfortable"? Society on a large scale, so inconvenienced for basic necessities that we somehow revolt against authority? Just trying to piece together what you specifically mean.
    breath123 wrote:
    Ah yes, sorry I had meant to respond and my attention was diverted.

    I do not think presently things are not uncomfortable, not by my definition anyway.

    Keep the reality shows going, the in an out burger and pinkberry serving, and the blackberries a tappin, things will remain calm...

    when these things are not accessable on a mass level, it's going to get real ugly real quick.

    I mean specifically food, shelter, water, electricity. However, loss of the creature comforts I mentioned will probably sting more than you think. particularly in regards to communication, TV and the internet.
  • unsungunsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    g under p wrote:
    Damn coffeebaggers.

    .....or Beanbaggers.... :mrgreen:

    More and more people speaking out however in the end will this kind of protest ever have any effect that will cause change?

    Peace


    It can't hurt. Can you ever think of a time where the citizens in this country have been so fed up? Yeah Bush pissed us off but people did not get ENERGIZED. More awareness sounds good to me.
  • g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,200
    unsung wrote:
    g under p wrote:
    Damn coffeebaggers.

    .....or Beanbaggers.... :mrgreen:

    More and more people speaking out however in the end will this kind of protest ever have any effect that will cause change?

    Peace


    It can't hurt. Can you ever think of a time where the citizens in this country have been so fed up? Yeah Bush pissed us off but people did not get ENERGIZED. More awareness sounds good to me.

    It was the same and worse under Bush however the stagedy of FEAR was used quite effectively to squash the masses during our time of so called war on terror.

    Peace
    *We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti

    *MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
    .....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti

    *The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)


  • FiveB247xFiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    Ok, but even with this said, some people had this going on during Katrina and didn't revolt. But even with this stated, this would take a major, drastic type emergency or breakdown to the point where the government is pretty useless and inept anyhow correct? So this is what it would take to fix our system, basically something so extreme the government would almost collapse or be powerless for a long, extended period on it's own?
    breath123 wrote:
    I mean specifically food, shelter, water, electricity. However, loss of the creature comforts I mentioned will probably sting more than you think. particularly in regards to communication, TV and the internet.
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
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