The Tea Party and Extremism

WaveCameCrashin

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,586325,00.html


BILL O'REILLY: Some of these Tea Party people are nuts. They are. They're crazy. I mean, we sent Jesse Watters down there, and he puts the number at about 10 percent that are just loons, out of their mind. Every group has that.

And that's true. No matter what group you're talking about, you'll find loons.

Enter The New York Times, which is finally taking the Tea Party seriously. In a front-page article Tuesday, they put forth that Tea Party people are primarily extremists. They lump in the John Birch Society, the Patriot movement, Friends for Liberty and other groups that are on the fringe.

The Times also attempts to link Fox News to Tea Party extremists.

"Talking Points" predicted this would happen; that a movement with the potential power of the Tea Party would be attacked by the left-wing media. At first, The Times ignored the Tea Party. Now it's trying to diminish the brand.

But the Tea Party people themselves should be careful. Most Americans are not ideologues. They are just folks who want a fair system and a noble country. Every time a Tea Party person threatens to overthrow the government or other nonsense, the brand gets hammered.

That being said, the Tea Party movement is at a disadvantage. There's no central authority. Every Tea Party group is different. There's no party platform other than disenchantment with big government. With that kind of structure, you can expect chaos and some extremism, which the liberal media will use that to attack the Tea Party.

"Talking Points" has always admired sincere Americans who get involved in trying to improve their country, and that is what most Tea Party people do. They are regular folks who are fed up.

Look at it this way: There's no question America is heading towards bankruptcy. We owe $13 trillion. We can never pay that money back.

Also, there's no question the federal government allowed millions of illegal immigrants to come to the USA. For decades, the feds didn't try to stop that.

Also, the Obama administration wants to change the economy with strict federal regulations and guidelines. That's what health care is all about. That's what cap-and-trade is all about.

So many Americans simply oppose those things, and you are not an extremist if you do so; you're a concerned citizen.

But if you threaten violence, if you traffic in racism, if you call the president of the United States a communist, those are extremist positions.

In the end, the Tea Party will rise and fall on well-thought-out policy and being able to persuade their fellow citizens they have solutions to complicated problems.

The left-wing media is gunning for the Tea Party, and it will be fascinating to see how the conflict turns out.

And that's "The Memo."

I agree with Bill 100% on this.

flywallyfly

It will be interesting to see how these tea baggers organize for the upcoming elections. I wonder if the movement will be swallowed up by the GOP or if they will survive and go dunking "balls deep" if you will.

WaveCameCrashin

prfctlefts wrote:

Most Americans are not ideologues. They are just folks who want a fair system and a noble country.

prfctlefts wrote:

They are sincere Americans who are involved in trying to improve their country, and that is what most Tea Party people do. They are regular folks who are fed up.

It will be intresting when You and the rest of the left stop using the term Teabaggers and show them a little respect. 90% are just normal people who don't want to see there country go down the toilet.

flywallyfly

prfctlefts wrote:

prfctlefts wrote:

Most Americans are not ideologues. They are just folks who want a fair system and a noble country.

prfctlefts wrote:

They are sincere Americans who are involved in trying to improve their country, and that is what most Tea Party people do. They are regular folks who are fed up.

It will be intresting when You and the rest of the left stop using the term Teabaggers and show them a little respect. 90% are just normal people who don't want to see there country go down the toilet.

I didnt realize I was a "leftie". Do all teabaggers believe everyone who isnt part of their "movement" are America hating communist/fascist/socialist pigs? Your problem is the 10% who are not "just normal people" are crazy looney jackasses. It's kinda funny that these guys hold signs with rascist and homophobic messages on them but they get all snippy for being called a teabagger. :roll:

flywallyfly

Maybe you should start from within your own ranks for "respect", lol.

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WaveCameCrashin

flywallyfly wrote:

prfctlefts wrote:

prfctlefts wrote:

Most Americans are not ideologues. They are just folks who want a fair system and a noble country.

prfctlefts wrote:

They are sincere Americans who are involved in trying to improve their country, and that is what most Tea Party people do. They are regular folks who are fed up.

It will be intresting when You and the rest of the left stop using the term Teabaggers and show them a little respect. 90% are just normal people who don't want to see there country go down the toilet.

I didnt realize I was a "leftie". Do all teabaggers believe everyone who isnt part of their "movement" are America hating communist/fascist/socialist pigs? Your problem is the 10% who are not "just normal people" are crazy looney jackasses. It's kinda funny that these guys hold signs with rascist and homophobic messages on them but they get all snippy for being called a teabagger. :roll:

Than what the hell are you ? NO they don't.. My problem is jerks like you and a few others on here think it's cute and funny to make fun of the 90% who are concrened with what's happening to this county. And just so you know I don't fall into the class of people that you seem to think make up all the Tea party goers. How would you feel if everyone thought that anti war move ment that marched peacefully were nothing but abunch of anarchist.

Pepe Silvia

prfctlefts wrote:

NO they don't.. My problem is jerks like you and a few others on here think it's cute and funny to make fun of the 90% who are concrened with what's happening to this county. And just so you know I don't fall into the class of people that you seem to think make up all the Tea party goers. How would you feel if everyone thought that anti war move ment that marched peacefully were nothing but abunch of anarchist.

what i find funny is you are using bill oreilly to prove 90% are normal, especially when he actually said most anti-war protesters were loons. you ask him how would he feel when that is exactly what happened.

also, he complains fox news has been drawn into it

The Times also attempts to link Fox News to Tea Party extremists.

"Talking Points" predicted this would happen; that a movement with the potential power of the Tea Party would be attacked by the left-wing media. At first, The Times ignored the Tea Party. Now it's trying to diminish the brand.

the brand, haha that says more than he realizes

gee, i wonder why fox op/ed would be linked to the tea party movement?

seems like a pretty long list to me
http://mediamatters.org/reports/200904080025

prfctlefts wrote:

Than what the hell are you ?

he's the burger king so i'd assume he prefers a monarchy

WaveCameCrashin

:yawn:

Im not using Bill to prove shit. All i said is I agree with him.

and what he said was

O'reilly wrote:

Enter The New York Times, which is finally taking the Tea Party seriously. In a front-page article Tuesday, they put forth that Tea Party people are primarily extremists. They lump in the John Birch Society, the Patriot movement, Friends for Liberty and other groups that are on the fringe.

I swear some of you people are like talking to a damn wall. So just because fox covered the tea parties they should be linked to the 10% fringe? whatever.... :? :roll:

See that's what the left does. when you don't agree with someone you smear them,discredit them,and demean them in any way you can.

Im so over going back and forth over this. I don't have the time or energy any more on this subject or any other for that matter on here. Im done.

Smellyman

prfctlefts wrote:

See that's what the left does. when you don't agree with someone you smear them,discredit them,and demean them in any way you can.

The right and fox news are so above this....LOL


and I'd say 90% are loons...Bill is wrong. I guess I am right.

pickupyourwill

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unsung

Ah the blame Bush crowd is still going.

This current administration has spent more money in any one year than any previous administration. My still unborn grandchildren are going to pay the price.

So instead of blaming Bush and the war in Iraq why not ask yourself why Obama continues to spend on it and continue to deploy troops there. You know even after he said he would end it.

pickupyourwill

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unsung

I see nothing wrong with you taking personal responsibility, more people need to do the same.

I guess back on to the original topic about a percentage being extreme, isn't that in every group? Take a look at two of Obama's buddies, Rev Wright and Bill Ayers. One an obvious racist, the other a terrorist. Pretty extreme to me.

I don't give two cents about the color of his skin, I simply don't agree with most of his policies.

flywallyfly

prfctlefts wrote:

:yawn:

Im not using Bill to prove shit. All i said is I agree with him.

and what he said was

O'reilly wrote:

Enter The New York Times, which is finally taking the Tea Party seriously. In a front-page article Tuesday, they put forth that Tea Party people are primarily extremists. They lump in the John Birch Society, the Patriot movement, Friends for Liberty and other groups that are on the fringe.

I swear some of you people are like talking to a damn wall. So just because fox covered the tea parties they should be linked to the 10% fringe? whatever.... :? :roll:

See that's what the left does. when you don't agree with someone you smear them,discredit them,and demean them in any way you can.

Im so over going back and forth over this. I don't have the time or energy any more on this subject or any other for that matter on here. Im done.

Good for you Lipton. Now get out there and use ur energy on teabagging and changing this country one bag at a time.

TriumphantAngel

lol

now that was funny.

Pepe Silvia

prfctlefts wrote:

:yawn:

Im not using Bill to prove shit. All i said is I agree with him.

and what he said was

O'reilly wrote:

Enter The New York Times, which is finally taking the Tea Party seriously. In a front-page article Tuesday, they put forth that Tea Party people are primarily extremists. They lump in the John Birch Society, the Patriot movement, Friends for Liberty and other groups that are on the fringe.

yeeeeees, and he also said

O'reilly wrote:

Some of these Tea Party people are nuts. They are. They're crazy. I mean, we sent Jesse Watters down there, and he puts the number at about 10 percent that are just loons, out of their mind. Every group has that.

prfctlefts wrote:

I swear some of you people are like talking to a damn wall. So just because fox covered the tea parties they should be linked to the 10% fringe? whatever.... :? :roll:

See that's what the left does. when you don't agree with someone you smear them,discredit them,and demean them in any way you can.

wtf are you even talking about??? who did i discredit? :? to me it's funny to see bill o'reilly complain about them being made out to be crazy and claiming only 10% are and that's how it is in every group. it's funny because during the lead up and invasion of iraq this same shmohawk said most anti-war protesters WERE LOONS. the only person doing any discrediting in my post was your man, bill. but then that's how he normally is, he likes to take little cheap shots and call people pin heads and other names and get all mad

fox didn't just cover it they pushed it, did you even read the link i posted? if you did you'd see they did far more than just cover it.

prfctlefts wrote:

Im so over going back and forth over this. I don't have the time or energy any more on this subject or any other for that matter on here. Im done.

oh, poor guy :yawn:

you started the thread, i thought it was open for discussion, my bad

dustinpardue

"…cult members always attribute all of their problems to one simple explanation. Now here’s an amazing statistic. In a recent poll almost ninety percent of Tea Baggers said that they thought taxes had either gone up or stayed the same under Obama. Only two percent thought they went down. But the reality is taxes have gone down for ninety five percent of working families taxes went down.

Think about that. Only two percent of the people in a "movement" about taxes named after a tax revolt have the slightest idea what’s going on…with taxes.

So, it would be easy to just mock, except that those who fall under the control of cults aren’t necessarily weirdoes, they’re victims. And we shouldn’t forget that these people are our relatives, our neighbors and the folks at the next table in the restaurant. Especially if that restaurant is Hooters and it’s dollar wing Wednesday."

ryanevolution

dustinpardue wrote:

"…cult members always attribute all of their problems to one simple explanation. Now here’s an amazing statistic. In a recent poll almost ninety percent of Tea Baggers said that they thought taxes had either gone up or stayed the same under Obama. Only two percent thought they went down. But the reality is taxes have gone down for ninety five percent of working families taxes went down.

Think about that. Only two percent of the people in a "movement" about taxes named after a tax revolt have the slightest idea what’s going on…with taxes.

So, it would be easy to just mock, except that those who fall under the control of cults aren’t necessarily weirdoes, they’re victims. And we shouldn’t forget that these people are our relatives, our neighbors and the folks at the next table in the restaurant. Especially if that restaurant is Hooters and it’s dollar wing Wednesday."

+1000. Was going to post this myself. One of the best insights into this phenomenon. I refuse to call it a movement.

youngster

dustinpardue wrote:

"…cult members always attribute all of their problems to one simple explanation. Now here’s an amazing statistic. In a recent poll almost ninety percent of Tea Baggers said that they thought taxes had either gone up or stayed the same under Obama. Only two percent thought they went down. But the reality is taxes have gone down for ninety five percent of working families taxes went down.

Think about that. Only two percent of the people in a "movement" about taxes named after a tax revolt have the slightest idea what’s going on…with taxes.

So, it would be easy to just mock, except that those who fall under the control of cults aren’t necessarily weirdoes, they’re victims. And we shouldn’t forget that these people are our relatives, our neighbors and the folks at the next table in the restaurant. Especially if that restaurant is Hooters and it’s dollar wing Wednesday."

Hahahaha. I love Bill Maher. Always seems to bring logic to a discussion. I look forward to Real Time every Friday. Great post BTW.

aerial

pickupyourwill wrote:

prfctlefts wrote:

.. My problem is jerks like you and a few others on here think it's cute and funny to make fun of the 90% who are concrened with what's happening to this county. And just so you know I don't fall into the class of people that you seem to think make up all the Tea party goers. How would you feel if everyone thought that anti war move ment that marched peacefully were nothing but abunch of anarchist.

I respect the fact that The Tea Bag Party is made up of some hard-working people concerned about the debt of America. America has been in huge debt for decades. but I happen to know of 2 people supporting the Tea Bag Party that didn't hop on the band-wagon until after Obama became President and one lost their job because of the economy. The timing of it, and their openly dislike of Obama and Democrats, suggests to me that they're using Obama as a scapegoat. There is no way any of us citizens can possibly know the logistics behind the governments spending. How arrogant for some of the Tea Bag Party people to actually think that Obama's large spending is pushing us way over the limit. In my opinion, we have already been there. Where the hell were they while Bush was President for 8 yrs and his dad for 4? Happy that a conservative, Republican was in the White House--that's where. blind to the fact that we were already trillions in debt. Now Obama comes along, at a bad time --war, and some of the right-wingers suddenly feel that his spending is inappropriate. Well, yeah, but the 2 Bush's and Reagan for that matter were no saints on spending either. Every President of this past century has contributed to the huge debt--not just Obama. but he's getting crucified for it.

So your hatred for the Tea Party is about the timing? When do you think it will be a good time to ask for accountability of our elected officials.....personally the “where were you when Bush was in office” is getting old....why do you assume that the people in the Tea Party were not against that administrations spending and corruption?

Smellyman

aerial wrote:

pickupyourwill wrote:

prfctlefts wrote:

.. My problem is jerks like you and a few others on here think it's cute and funny to make fun of the 90% who are concrened with what's happening to this county. And just so you know I don't fall into the class of people that you seem to think make up all the Tea party goers. How would you feel if everyone thought that anti war move ment that marched peacefully were nothing but abunch of anarchist.

I respect the fact that The Tea Bag Party is made up of some hard-working people concerned about the debt of America. America has been in huge debt for decades. but I happen to know of 2 people supporting the Tea Bag Party that didn't hop on the band-wagon until after Obama became President and one lost their job because of the economy. The timing of it, and their openly dislike of Obama and Democrats, suggests to me that they're using Obama as a scapegoat. There is no way any of us citizens can possibly know the logistics behind the governments spending. How arrogant for some of the Tea Bag Party people to actually think that Obama's large spending is pushing us way over the limit. In my opinion, we have already been there. Where the hell were they while Bush was President for 8 yrs and his dad for 4? Happy that a conservative, Republican was in the White House--that's where. blind to the fact that we were already trillions in debt. Now Obama comes along, at a bad time --war, and some of the right-wingers suddenly feel that his spending is inappropriate. Well, yeah, but the 2 Bush's and Reagan for that matter were no saints on spending either. Every President of this past century has contributed to the huge debt--not just Obama. but he's getting crucified for it.

So your hatred for the Tea Party is about the timing? When do you think it will be a good time to ask for accountability of our elected officials.....personally the “where were you when Bush was in office” is getting old....why do you assume that the people in the Tea Party were not against that administrations spending and corruption?

haha. If you cant realize it was the moment Obama got elected then there is no help for you.