The Tea Party and Extremism
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,586325,00.html
BILL O'REILLY: Some of these Tea Party people are nuts. They are. They're crazy. I mean, we sent Jesse Watters down there, and he puts the number at about 10 percent that are just loons, out of their mind. Every group has that.
And that's true. No matter what group you're talking about, you'll find loons.
Enter The New York Times, which is finally taking the Tea Party seriously. In a front-page article Tuesday, they put forth that Tea Party people are primarily extremists. They lump in the John Birch Society, the Patriot movement, Friends for Liberty and other groups that are on the fringe.
The Times also attempts to link Fox News to Tea Party extremists.
"Talking Points" predicted this would happen; that a movement with the potential power of the Tea Party would be attacked by the left-wing media. At first, The Times ignored the Tea Party. Now it's trying to diminish the brand.
But the Tea Party people themselves should be careful. Most Americans are not ideologues. They are just folks who want a fair system and a noble country. Every time a Tea Party person threatens to overthrow the government or other nonsense, the brand gets hammered.
That being said, the Tea Party movement is at a disadvantage. There's no central authority. Every Tea Party group is different. There's no party platform other than disenchantment with big government. With that kind of structure, you can expect chaos and some extremism, which the liberal media will use that to attack the Tea Party.
"Talking Points" has always admired sincere Americans who get involved in trying to improve their country, and that is what most Tea Party people do. They are regular folks who are fed up.
Look at it this way: There's no question America is heading towards bankruptcy. We owe $13 trillion. We can never pay that money back.
Also, there's no question the federal government allowed millions of illegal immigrants to come to the USA. For decades, the feds didn't try to stop that.
Also, the Obama administration wants to change the economy with strict federal regulations and guidelines. That's what health care is all about. That's what cap-and-trade is all about.
So many Americans simply oppose those things, and you are not an extremist if you do so; you're a concerned citizen.
But if you threaten violence, if you traffic in racism, if you call the president of the United States a communist, those are extremist positions.
In the end, the Tea Party will rise and fall on well-thought-out policy and being able to persuade their fellow citizens they have solutions to complicated problems.
The left-wing media is gunning for the Tea Party, and it will be fascinating to see how the conflict turns out.
And that's "The Memo."
I agree with Bill 100% on this.
BILL O'REILLY: Some of these Tea Party people are nuts. They are. They're crazy. I mean, we sent Jesse Watters down there, and he puts the number at about 10 percent that are just loons, out of their mind. Every group has that.
And that's true. No matter what group you're talking about, you'll find loons.
Enter The New York Times, which is finally taking the Tea Party seriously. In a front-page article Tuesday, they put forth that Tea Party people are primarily extremists. They lump in the John Birch Society, the Patriot movement, Friends for Liberty and other groups that are on the fringe.
The Times also attempts to link Fox News to Tea Party extremists.
"Talking Points" predicted this would happen; that a movement with the potential power of the Tea Party would be attacked by the left-wing media. At first, The Times ignored the Tea Party. Now it's trying to diminish the brand.
But the Tea Party people themselves should be careful. Most Americans are not ideologues. They are just folks who want a fair system and a noble country. Every time a Tea Party person threatens to overthrow the government or other nonsense, the brand gets hammered.
That being said, the Tea Party movement is at a disadvantage. There's no central authority. Every Tea Party group is different. There's no party platform other than disenchantment with big government. With that kind of structure, you can expect chaos and some extremism, which the liberal media will use that to attack the Tea Party.
"Talking Points" has always admired sincere Americans who get involved in trying to improve their country, and that is what most Tea Party people do. They are regular folks who are fed up.
Look at it this way: There's no question America is heading towards bankruptcy. We owe $13 trillion. We can never pay that money back.
Also, there's no question the federal government allowed millions of illegal immigrants to come to the USA. For decades, the feds didn't try to stop that.
Also, the Obama administration wants to change the economy with strict federal regulations and guidelines. That's what health care is all about. That's what cap-and-trade is all about.
So many Americans simply oppose those things, and you are not an extremist if you do so; you're a concerned citizen.
But if you threaten violence, if you traffic in racism, if you call the president of the United States a communist, those are extremist positions.
In the end, the Tea Party will rise and fall on well-thought-out policy and being able to persuade their fellow citizens they have solutions to complicated problems.
The left-wing media is gunning for the Tea Party, and it will be fascinating to see how the conflict turns out.
And that's "The Memo."
I agree with Bill 100% on this.
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It will be intresting when You and the rest of the left stop using the term Teabaggers and show them a little respect. 90% are just normal people who don't want to see there country go down the toilet.
I didnt realize I was a "leftie". Do all teabaggers believe everyone who isnt part of their "movement" are America hating communist/fascist/socialist pigs? Your problem is the 10% who are not "just normal people" are crazy looney jackasses. It's kinda funny that these guys hold signs with rascist and homophobic messages on them but they get all snippy for being called a teabagger. :roll:
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Than what the hell are you ? NO they don't.. My problem is jerks like you and a few others on here think it's cute and funny to make fun of the 90% who are concrened with what's happening to this county. And just so you know I don't fall into the class of people that you seem to think make up all the Tea party goers. How would you feel if everyone thought that anti war move ment that marched peacefully were nothing but abunch of anarchist.
what i find funny is you are using bill oreilly to prove 90% are normal, especially when he actually said most anti-war protesters were loons. you ask him how would he feel when that is exactly what happened.
also, he complains fox news has been drawn into it
the brand, haha that says more than he realizes
gee, i wonder why fox op/ed would be linked to the tea party movement?
seems like a pretty long list to me
http://mediamatters.org/reports/200904080025
he's the burger king so i'd assume he prefers a monarchy
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when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
Im not using Bill to prove shit. All i said is I agree with him.
and what he said was
I swear some of you people are like talking to a damn wall. So just because fox covered the tea parties they should be linked to the 10% fringe? whatever.... :? :roll:
See that's what the left does. when you don't agree with someone you smear them,discredit them,and demean them in any way you can.
Im so over going back and forth over this. I don't have the time or energy any more on this subject or any other for that matter on here. Im done.
The right and fox news are so above this....LOL
and I'd say 90% are loons...Bill is wrong. I guess I am right.
This current administration has spent more money in any one year than any previous administration. My still unborn grandchildren are going to pay the price.
So instead of blaming Bush and the war in Iraq why not ask yourself why Obama continues to spend on it and continue to deploy troops there. You know even after he said he would end it.
I guess back on to the original topic about a percentage being extreme, isn't that in every group? Take a look at two of Obama's buddies, Rev Wright and Bill Ayers. One an obvious racist, the other a terrorist. Pretty extreme to me.
I don't give two cents about the color of his skin, I simply don't agree with most of his policies.
Good for you Lipton. Now get out there and use ur energy on teabagging and changing this country one bag at a time.
now that was funny.
yeeeeees, and he also said
wtf are you even talking about??? who did i discredit? :? to me it's funny to see bill o'reilly complain about them being made out to be crazy and claiming only 10% are and that's how it is in every group. it's funny because during the lead up and invasion of iraq this same shmohawk said most anti-war protesters WERE LOONS. the only person doing any discrediting in my post was your man, bill. but then that's how he normally is, he likes to take little cheap shots and call people pin heads and other names and get all mad
fox didn't just cover it they pushed it, did you even read the link i posted? if you did you'd see they did far more than just cover it.
oh, poor guy :( :yawn:
you started the thread, i thought it was open for discussion, my bad
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
Think about that. Only two percent of the people in a "movement" about taxes named after a tax revolt have the slightest idea what’s going on…with taxes.
So, it would be easy to just mock, except that those who fall under the control of cults aren’t necessarily weirdoes, they’re victims. And we shouldn’t forget that these people are our relatives, our neighbors and the folks at the next table in the restaurant. Especially if that restaurant is Hooters and it’s dollar wing Wednesday."
+1000. Was going to post this myself. One of the best insights into this phenomenon. I refuse to call it a movement.
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Hahahaha. I love Bill Maher. Always seems to bring logic to a discussion. I look forward to Real Time every Friday. Great post BTW.
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haha. If you cant realize it was the moment Obama got elected then there is no help for you.
why do I assume that the people in the Tea Party weren't against Bush's administration's spending and corruption even though they are Republicans? I'll tell you why. This one person I know of represents perhaps a minority of the Republican Tea Partiers, but its still something. She openly supported Bush to friends and family. remained quiet on some controversial things. openly supported McCain and Palin all throught the campaign. openly hated Obama becoming President. true there is lots of spending--apparantley more than in a long time (so they tell us) --but openly became a tea party supporter when her daughter lost her job to "the economy". true Obama seems to be stubborn about his spending. other than that--that's all I got. I don't wish to know further--I've got my own life to worry about. just saying what I've witnessed. In the almost fifteen years that I've known this woman, her 2 biggest gripes about the gov't revolved around Clinton's administration and now Obama's--a pure Republican through and through. so you tell me--is she the only one out there like that?
In all likely hood....probably not.
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I've heard this one before...and yet....I do not know a single person in my personal life that says their taxes went down. We must all be in the 5% up here in the great state of Maine.
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Excuse me, but I find this pretty disingenuous. Sarah Palin get's $100,000 to speak at the Tea Party convention, but the Tea Party is against corruption and profligate government spending?! I know it isn't "corrupt" to pay someone a shit-ton of money to speak at your event, but it seems kind of contradictory to the purported ethos of the movement. Frankly, the whole Tea Party thing seems kind of crazy to me. Most Tea Party people, as far as I can tell, simply parrot these lines about the evils of big government but when push comes to shove they don't really know what they're talking about. Frankly I think this is a phenomenon of people who are scared out of their wits by a crumbling economy and a government response (which I happen to strongly support) that they don't understand, and therefore fear. I actually think this is kinda Obama's fault for letting the story get away from him and not doing a good job of explaining his policies to the country in a manner that everyone could understand.
perhaps they are, although I have never heard you say anything about it nor is there any mention of it on the TP website, just saying.
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this is what you think the tea party is. It's pretty much the tea party if it were actually a grass roots movement and not controlled by a bunch of corporate puppeteers.
seriously, check it out, we probably agree on more than you think.
THANK YOU!! This is what I have been trying to put my finger on.
I have super right wing, hard core christian (not that there's anything wrong with that) relatives who pretty much went from "Clinton was bad" (upset more about the blow job, not so much the lying about it or NAFTA) despite that he balanced the budget and built a record surplus. then it was: "Bush Rules" (still waiting for a retraction on that) to "Sarah Palin is Awesome". (Still waiting on that as well). Now suddenly with a democrat in the office it's "everything about our country is wrong, the Government is evil!!" Now it's all about the tea party and taking it back, whatever that means.
anyone else see a pattern.
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