Matt on newer bootlegs

Rossum20

We all know how much better the 00' and 03' boots were...but Matt sticks out like a sore thumb on the newer boots on a lot of rockers...take RVM from Seattle 09 for example. I don't have a clue how to play the drums, but the sound Matt's cymbals are making is borderline painful to listen to. Let it be known I don't think it has anything to do with how Matt is playing, but it sounds as though he is pounding metal on metal. Just listen to RVM from 00 or 03 and compare it with a more recent version.

I don't know what made the 03 boots so perfect, but I'm beginning to think it also has something to do with the way the guys set up their gear and what gear is being used and not just how they were recorded?

andrewb

Completely agree

LikeAnOcean

The older boots had a much warmer feel to them.


I really wish they would have stuck to what they were doing in '03. Some of those Japanese and Irvine, Champaign, Buffalo boots sound amazing!

FenwayFaithful

I agree. But I do think the 2006 boots were done very well also.

jets521

FenwayFaithful wrote:

I agree. But I do think the 2006 boots were done very well also.

agreed. i do not have any 09 boots so I can really comment....but..

there are many circumstances that could influence the overall quality. the OP pointed out such things as new stage setup, new equipment etc. but other things such as venue size/acoustics, mixing, personnel, soundboard source etc.

STT757

The 2003 boots were absolutely the best quality, that and Live on Two legs and the Atlanta '94 recordings that appeared on the various singles such as "Dissident". The 2000 series would be behind the 2003 series, for some reason the North American legs sound better than the European legs on the 2000 series.

The Holmdel, NJ bootleg from 2003 was an especially good quality recording, I was at that show and the recording really captured the feel and sound.

demetrios

I'm trying to search down an article where the guy's from Basecamp posted about the '06 bootlegs. Where they said the '06 & show's there after are not really soundboard recordings, like the '00, '03 & '05 bootlegs. At the show's you can see stand up mics on the sides of the show, right? And a few @ the back. Those takes in the audience sound & feel & mix it with the soundboard instrument recordings. It's like your getting a matrix (soundboard & audience recording) in one. Argh, i'm searching google & can't seem to find that original article.

If you want to hear loud Matt from the bootlegs, the '00's is your best choice, imo.

DewieCox

demetrios wrote:

I'm trying to search down an article where the guy's from Basecamp posted about the '06 bootlegs. Where they said the '06 & show's there after are not really soundboard recordings, like the '00, '03 & '05 bootlegs. At the show's you can see stand up mics on the sides of the show, right? And a few @ the back. Those takes in the audience sound & feel & mix it with the soundboard instrument recordings. It's like your getting a matrix (soundboard & audience recording) in one. Argh, i'm searching google & can't seem to find that original article.

I think those mics are mainly to pick up the crowd. They're prolly not gonna get much from the instruments. That shouldn't affect the sound that much. I think they're just being lazy about it.

Lo2L and 2000 sound best as they were released for mass consumption

03 a little worse but still good, also had some shows released for mass consumption.

Everything else, for hardcore fan consumption and they haven't sounded good.

locked

DewieCox wrote:

demetrios wrote:

I think those mics are mainly to pick up the crowd. They're prolly not gonna get much from the instruments. That shouldn't affect the sound that much. I think they're just being lazy about it.

Lo2L and 2000 sound best as they were released for mass consumption

03 a little worse but still good, also had some shows released for mass consumption.

Everything else, for hardcore fan consumption and they haven't sounded good.

No..

The D-man is correct about Basecamp's statement ..

and the new placement of mics inward towards the onstage speakers.

Look at any photo of the stage set up from 2006 -2009... all the stage speakers have microphones mounted and pointed back inward towards the speaker head..

Whatever desired effect "Base Camp" sold the band was ultimatley a load of BS...

and the list of complaints rolled in immediately thereafter..
:ugeek:

vedderman

I think that 2000 boots sound very tight which i really really prefer over all of the other series of bootlegs, but they're only mistake is that the volume has been set too low, especially on the european leg. However, the 2003 series do sound clearer but not as thight as the 2000 ones. If only Eddie would not be as drunk as he was almost every show in 2003, i do like it
Then 2005 sound worst of all of them... the drums sound so flat that i cannot listen to it.
2006 bootlegs sound overall the bes tof all of the series because it has the right mix, the sound feel enough tight but not as clear as 2003. and i think that eddie did a great work in 2006 in terms of singing.
for 2008 and 2009 i cannot give any statement yet

LO2L was mastered and it is a soundboard mixing, that's why it sounds so strong

demetrios

DewieCox wrote:

demetrios wrote:

I'm trying to search down an article where the guy's from Basecamp posted about the '06 bootlegs. Where they said the '06 & show's there after are not really soundboard recordings, like the '00, '03 & '05 bootlegs. At the show's you can see stand up mics on the sides of the show, right? And a few @ the back. Those takes in the audience sound & feel & mix it with the soundboard instrument recordings. It's like your getting a matrix (soundboard & audience recording) in one. Argh, i'm searching google & can't seem to find that original article.

I think those mics are mainly to pick up the crowd. They're prolly not gonna get much from the instruments. That shouldn't affect the sound that much. I think they're just being lazy about it.

Lo2L and 2000 sound best as they were released for mass consumption

03 a little worse but still good, also had some shows released for mass consumption.

Everything else, for hardcore fan consumption and they haven't sounded good.

I'm just remembering now the old Synergy pages where they said some of the '05's would be released for mass consumption too. But nothing came out of that. Like Mad Season's Live @ the Moore DVD release. One thing I didn't like about the '03 bootlegs was the stickers & the blah color's. Audio wasn't so bad. It was raw but nothing as clear as the 2000 bootlegs.

DewieCox

locked wrote:

DewieCox wrote:

demetrios wrote:

I think those mics are mainly to pick up the crowd. They're prolly not gonna get much from the instruments. That shouldn't affect the sound that much. I think they're just being lazy about it.

Lo2L and 2000 sound best as they were released for mass consumption

03 a little worse but still good, also had some shows released for mass consumption.

Everything else, for hardcore fan consumption and they haven't sounded good.

No..

The D-man is correct about Basecamp's statement ..

and the new placement of mics inward towards the onstage speakers.

Look at any photo of the stage set up from 2006 -2009... all the stage speakers have microphones mounted and pointed back inward towards the speaker head..

Whatever desired effect "Base Camp" sold the band was ultimatley a load of BS...

and the list of complaints rolled in immediately thereafter..
:ugeek:

So they are micing the actual pa speaker stacks??

I was just referrin to the mics in demetrios' post. I didn't realize they miced the pa.

That really is a bootleg then...

I can't understand why they don't use soundboard PJ and mix it with a recording of the crowd and ambience of the show.

LikeAnOcean

DewieCox wrote:

Lo2L and 2000 sound best as they were released for mass consumption

03 a little worse but still good, also had some shows released for mass consumption.

.

I always felt '03 was much better than '00. Maybe its the boots I have because shows do slightly vary, but to me '03 had much more range. They were louder and less washed out. Definitely clearer and I felt you could hear the instruments individually clearer. Ed was too low on a lot of the 2000 boots I have also.

2006 aren't bad, just too tinny sounding. I definitely prefer the range and warmth of the '03 boots. They rock out better on good speakers.

luke.harvey3

the 2009 boots ive listened too i like them! 2008 not so much!
2006 are my favourite with 2000 next! dont really listen to the 2003 boots even though people say these are the best sounding, tend to listen to the shows ive attended!
i do have all boots from 2000-2009 on my hard-drive but only got a 16gb ipod touch to get my tunes onto!

mca47

2003 had the best recordings.

I've listened to boots old and new, and '03 had the most consistent sound quality. The last two boot series seemed like the audio techs didn't adjust for changes in venue/conditions.

Ex. smaller venues, Matt was really loud... outdoor venues seemed echo-y...which would be the case if they set the stage up the same way at each show.

Easties

Rossum20 wrote:

but it sounds as though he is pounding metal on metal.

\m/ Metal on Metal \m/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqvwFy5o4yk

jets521

Easties wrote:

Rossum20 wrote:

but it sounds as though he is pounding metal on metal.

\m/ Metal on Metal \m/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqvwFy5o4yk

i just watched the Anvil documentary.......one of the greatest docs i have ever seen and one of the best rock and roll movies ever created. the story of that band is amazing

Easties

Yeah it's pretty damn cool. I love just how much dedication and passion they have for their Music. The Music keeps them alive and it's just cool to see how much it means to them. I'm glad they are kicking arse to a wider audience now. They are playing here in Sydney this Sunday at a festival and I'm regretting not going now! Would have been very cool.

jets521

yeah man..to see those guys driven to tears when talking about their passion for playing music....almost made me teary eyed. i too am very happy for them that they are now living their dream

DewieCox

Those guys have alotta devotion to the idea of being a band, but little devotion to the things it actually takes.
Step 1.....learn how to play your instruments.

Easties

Not everyone can melt faces like Mike

I'm happy to support those less fortunate.

Ledbetterman10

vedderman wrote:

I think that 2000 boots sound very tight which i really really prefer over all of the other series of bootlegs, but they're only mistake is that the volume has been set too low, especially on the european leg. However, the 2003 series do sound clearer but not as thight as the 2000 ones. If only Eddie would not be as drunk as he was almost every show in 2003, i do like it
Then 2005 sound worst of all of them... the drums sound so flat that i cannot listen to it.
2006 bootlegs sound overall the bes tof all of the series because it has the right mix, the sound feel enough tight but not as clear as 2003. and i think that eddie did a great work in 2006 in terms of singing.
for 2008 and 2009 i cannot give any statement yet

LO2L was mastered and it is a soundboard mixing, that's why it sounds so strong

I also think that the 2000 boots are better than the 2003 ones (though the volume on the European leg is criminally low). 2003 has better setlists in my opinion but for sound, I'm all about the 2000 boots. And as far as LO2L goes, another reason it sounds so strong in addtion to the mixing/mastering is the fact that the band hand-picked the performances.

Ledbetterman10

As for Matt, I've always thought that Matt and PJ's styles sort of clash...but I don't think that's really a problem. Dave and Jack had a free-flowing, jazz style to their playing while Matt's playing leans more towards metal....which is no surprise because Soundgarden leans more toward metal than they do punk. But one thing about Matt that comes through quite well on the bootlegs is his power and intensity. And with the exception of Animal, I don't think he detracts from any songs. On the contrary, I think some of the loud, fast tunes (Spin the Black Circle, Whipping, Habit, etc) have improved because of Matt due to the sheer force he uses.

Evacuation Rules

demetrios wrote:

I'm trying to search down an article where the guy's from Basecamp posted about the '06 bootlegs. Where they said the '06 & show's there after are not really soundboard recordings, like the '00, '03 & '05 bootlegs.

No no no. The Basecamp people were challenging the term "soundboard" because of the difference in the way their shows were mixed and recorded. All of the official bootlegs are soundboards with ambience mixed in. It's the methods used to mix & record the shows that have changed over the years.

demetrios

Evacuation Rules wrote:

demetrios wrote:

I'm trying to search down an article where the guy's from Basecamp posted about the '06 bootlegs. Where they said the '06 & show's there after are not really soundboard recordings, like the '00, '03 & '05 bootlegs.

No no no. The Basecamp people were challenging the term "soundboard" because of the difference in the way their shows were mixed and recorded. All of the official bootlegs are soundboards with ambience mixed in. It's the methods used to mix & record the shows that have changed over the years.

Okie dokie! It was pretty intense back then when the first batch of '06 bootlegs came out. I remembered buying/downloading Toronto Night 2 flacs which had it's first glitch. Or was it Night 1? There were a few show's later on with new downloadable fixes. Basecamp must of been very upset & couldn't take all the heat. Probably why we didn't get any '07 show's released on Official mp3 & flac. I'm happy we got Kufala on board to do the '08's & '09's mp3, flac & cd style. There will always be bitching about the sound quality. Everybody's a critic.