Just another example of how screwed up our gov is.

WaveCameCrashin

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/ ... 15-ON.html
Relief workers ate steak, Navajos scraped by
98 comments Feb. 15, 2010 09:07 AM
Associated Press
FLAGSTAFF - Some emergency workers charged with helping Navajos stranded by a snowstorm last month were dining on $22 steaks and $40 meals at taxpayer expense.

The Arizona Daily Sun in Flagstaff reports that a group of 12 people listed as hay deliverers rang up a bill of $519.86 at one meal, ordering 10 steaks at a Tuba City restaurant. That's the most expensive item on the menu.


Meanwhile, stranded Navajos were eating air-dropped freeze-dried food.

Coconino County Supervisor Lena Fowler also allowed her county expense credit card to be used by the Navajo chapter president and dozens of tribal police officers for free meals.

Nearly $3,000 was charged to her account. Fowler says in emergencies, government needs to step up and take care of business.

The spending in many cases exceeded the maximum allowed for a day's meals.

This reminds of what gov run healthcare would be like. Every Politician and including Obama and his family would not have to live under the same system that they wish to impose on me and you.

AnarionKing

Universal healtcare is awesome. If I get sick I call and visit my doctor, and he does what ever it takes to get me healthy again - all for the princely sum of nothing and with full pay if I need to take a few days off from work.

inmytree

prfctlefts wrote:

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2010/02/15/20100215navajo-relief-workers-15-ON.html
Relief workers ate steak, Navajos scraped by
98 comments Feb. 15, 2010 09:07 AM
Associated Press
FLAGSTAFF - Some emergency workers charged with helping Navajos stranded by a snowstorm last month were dining on $22 steaks and $40 meals at taxpayer expense.

The Arizona Daily Sun in Flagstaff reports that a group of 12 people listed as hay deliverers rang up a bill of $519.86 at one meal, ordering 10 steaks at a Tuba City restaurant. That's the most expensive item on the menu.


Meanwhile, stranded Navajos were eating air-dropped freeze-dried food.

Coconino County Supervisor Lena Fowler also allowed her county expense credit card to be used by the Navajo chapter president and dozens of tribal police officers for free meals.

Nearly $3,000 was charged to her account. Fowler says in emergencies, government needs to step up and take care of business.

The spending in many cases exceeded the maximum allowed for a day's meals.

This reminds of what gov run healthcare would be like. Every Politician and including Obama and his family would not have to live under the same system that they wish to impose on me and you.

this has nothing to do with Healthcare and you know it...

Also, I'm sure those for-profit businesses that served Some emergency workers were all too happy to take the money...

OnTheEdge

AnarionKing wrote:

Universal healtcare is awesome. If I get sick I call and visit my doctor, and he does what ever it takes to get me healthy again - all for the princely sum of nothing and with full pay if I need to take a few days off from work.

Just curious,what do you pay for taxes? I was,and still am, against universal health care, but I have to wonder when I hear from people that have it and have many good things to say about it. I believe universal health care in america would eventually raise my taxes to 40 to 45%. That is what scares me the most.

gimmesometruth27

mb262200 wrote:

AnarionKing wrote:

Universal healtcare is awesome. If I get sick I call and visit my doctor, and he does what ever it takes to get me healthy again - all for the princely sum of nothing and with full pay if I need to take a few days off from work.

Just curious,what do you pay for taxes? I was,and still am, against universal health care, but I have to wonder when I hear from people that have it and have many good things to say about it. I believe universal health care in america would eventually raise my taxes to 40 to 45%. That is what scares me the most.

you would also make more money in wages because you would not be paying those hefty health care premiums every other week, but lets not look at the upside of things here....

OnTheEdge

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

mb262200 wrote:

AnarionKing wrote:

Universal healtcare is awesome. If I get sick I call and visit my doctor, and he does what ever it takes to get me healthy again - all for the princely sum of nothing and with full pay if I need to take a few days off from work.

Just curious,what do you pay for taxes? I was,and still am, against universal health care, but I have to wonder when I hear from people that have it and have many good things to say about it. I believe universal health care in america would eventually raise my taxes to 40 to 45%. That is what scares me the most.

you would also make more money in wages because you would not be paying those hefty health care premiums every other week, but lets not look at the upside of things here....

I'm sure that's true for lots of people but not in my case. I don't pay hefty premiums.

Cosmo

mb262200 wrote:

I'm sure that's true for lots of people but not in my case. I don't pay hefty premiums.

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Who pays for your Health Care? My guess... your Employer... due to contractual agreements with your (Socialist) Union.

OnTheEdge

Cosmo wrote:

mb262200 wrote:

I'm sure that's true for lots of people but not in my case. I don't pay hefty premiums.

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Who pays for your Health Care? My guess... your Employer... due to contractual agreements with your (Socialist) Union.

You sure are in a bashing mood tonight. What's the matter? Forget to take your meds or something?

gimmesometruth27

mb262200 wrote:

Cosmo wrote:

mb262200 wrote:

I'm sure that's true for lots of people but not in my case. I don't pay hefty premiums.

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Who pays for your Health Care? My guess... your Employer... due to contractual agreements with your (Socialist) Union.

You sure are in a bashing mood tonight. What's the matter? Forget to take your meds or something?

he asked you a very valid question....

OnTheEdge

Well if it was a valid question and not being said as an asshole then I apologize. But I get the feeling Cosmo is a little angry tonight. To answer the question, yes, my Union pays for my health care. I pay a small Union fee.

Cosmo

mb262200 wrote:

You sure are in a bashing mood tonight. What's the matter? Forget to take your meds or something?

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No. I am just saying... SOMEONE is paying for your Health Care Insurance, right? I know my company is paying a hefty sum for mine. My co-pay is rather modest for the level of service I am entitled to.
yours is the same way... your Union is probably paying or a portion, with your employer taking on the heavy lifting. Your Health Care isn't free.
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And by the way... Unions are socialist. No problem for me... I have discovered that without Unions... companies would shit all over us.

OnTheEdge

Cosmo wrote:

mb262200 wrote:

You sure are in a bashing mood tonight. What's the matter? Forget to take your meds or something?

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No. I am just saying... SOMEONE is paying for your Health Care Insurance, right? I know my company is paying a hefty sum for mine. My co-pay is rather modest for the level of service I am entitled to.
yours is the same way... your Union is probably paying or a portion, with your employer taking on the heavy lifting. Your Health Care isn't free.
...
And by the way... Unions are socialist. No problem for me... I have discovered that without Unions... companies would shit all over us.

How are Unions socialist? I'm not questioning your judgement, I just don't understand it that much. Haven't been with them all that long. All I know is I pay a due and they make sure i'm paid right with regular raises and give me good benifits. Not sure how that ties in to socialism.

gimmesometruth27

mb262200 wrote:

Cosmo wrote:

mb262200 wrote:

You sure are in a bashing mood tonight. What's the matter? Forget to take your meds or something?

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No. I am just saying... SOMEONE is paying for your Health Care Insurance, right? I know my company is paying a hefty sum for mine. My co-pay is rather modest for the level of service I am entitled to.
yours is the same way... your Union is probably paying or a portion, with your employer taking on the heavy lifting. Your Health Care isn't free.
...
And by the way... Unions are socialist. No problem for me... I have discovered that without Unions... companies would shit all over us.

How are Unions socialist? I'm not questioning your judgement, I just don't understand it that much. Haven't been with them all that long. All I know is I pay a due and they make sure i'm paid right with regular raises and give me good benifits. Not sure how that ties in to socialism.

its socialism because they are all fighting for the same thing for the group of people in that organization. you should be thankful that you are not having hefty amounts of money taken out every pay period, because you are in the minority. the unions have been weakend over time, you used to have to use union labor all the time. now there are people who use non union workers because they are cheeper and they can undercut that nice wage and benefits that you enjoy....things around here are so bad that union guys that can't find work are actually paid to go picket at job sites that are using non union workers. i was at best buy the other day and there were 4 dudes sitting outside picketing the store for using non union electricians...

WaveCameCrashin

AnarionKing wrote:

Universal healtcare is awesome. If I get sick I call and visit my doctor, and he does what ever it takes to get me healthy again - all for the princely sum of nothing and with full pay if I need to take a few days off from work.

Oh really :roll: I hope you are never in need of a major operation or want cutting edege medicine. Then you can tell us how great N.I.C.E. is.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healt ... tland.html

There is no such thing is Free health care. Did you ever think that maybe that's why evrything is so expensive where you live?

markin ball

prfctlefts wrote:

AnarionKing wrote:

Universal healtcare is awesome. If I get sick I call and visit my doctor, and he does what ever it takes to get me healthy again - all for the princely sum of nothing and with full pay if I need to take a few days off from work.

Oh really :roll: I hope you are never in need of a major operation or want cutting edege medicine. Then you can tell us how great N.I.C.E. is.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healt ... tland.html

There is no such thing is Free health care. Did you ever think that maybe that's why evrything is so expensive where you live?

Like health care in the U.S.? Your awful dog-gone right about there not being free health care, though some do not pay. Somebody somewhere is picking up the tab and in the U.S. it is the insured paying for the uninsured. Is government run health care the answer? I don't know. It might be okay if we were smarter and more conscientious as citizens and as a result elect better people but as it is right now, with 95% of politicians being douche-bags and all, we would only get the crappy government run health care system we deserve.

WaveCameCrashin

Why do you think we deserve Gov run Healthcare ? The Gov can't run shit without going into debt. Just Look at SS ,Medicaid,and Medicare.

Cosmo

mb262200 wrote:

How are Unions socialist? I'm not questioning your judgement, I just don't understand it that much. Haven't been with them all that long. All I know is I pay a due and they make sure i'm paid right with regular raises and give me good benifits. Not sure how that ties in to socialism.

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Let me ask you this... You are obviously against socialism, from the things you have written. Now, what would happen if you decided... as an American... who has freedom and all that jazz... to quit participating in the Union at your job? You have no choice but to be in the Union, right? How is THAT freedom?
As for the socialist aspect... you are guaranteed raises. By contract, not by your work performance. You don't have to work harder to get a raise, your Union negotiator got that for you. Me? I have to perform my job to EARN a raise... which I do... and am recognized for it.
And you are protected by the Union... it takes an act of Congress to fire a Union member... even someone that sleeps on the job. How is THAT Free Enterprise?
Finally, seniority. The longer you are on the job, the more seniority you earn... the tougher it is to fire you.
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Again.... I am not anti-Union... far from that. But, I know what they are... a form of socialist workforce. Nothing wrong with that and i hope the union busting Conservatives that pray at the alter of Reaganism don't go after your union.

Heatherj43

I worked for a non-profit for many years. One time some of us were sent to D.C. to address some congressmen about some legislature we wanted to get passed. Well, while there, we got money to eat and get around town, per diem. I was shocked that my co-workers ate at the best places, got the most expensive foods and drinks, etc. 'cuz it was "on the house". It was money we got thru grants, donations etc. I find that so wrong.
I don't know how some people live with themselves.

AnarionKing

mb262200 wrote:

AnarionKing wrote:

Universal healtcare is awesome. If I get sick I call and visit my doctor, and he does what ever it takes to get me healthy again - all for the princely sum of nothing and with full pay if I need to take a few days off from work.

Just curious,what do you pay for taxes? I was,and still am, against universal health care, but I have to wonder when I hear from people that have it and have many good things to say about it. I believe universal health care in america would eventually raise my taxes to 40 to 45%. That is what scares me the most.

I'm still a student, so I don't work so much. But last year I made about 27000 dollars (used a currency calculator), and throughout the year I paid 32% in taxes. When I get a full time job I will probably have to pay about 40%.

prfctlefts wrote:

Oh really :roll: I hope you are never in need of a major operation or want cutting edege medicine. Then you can tell us how great N.I.C.E. is.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healt ... tland.html

There is no such thing is Free health care. Did you ever think that maybe that's why evrything is so expensive where you live?

Expensive to foreigners, maybe. It scales nicely to what most of us earn, and then when we travel abroad everything is extremely cheap

From what I've heard universal health care in Norway doesn't work exactly like the UK, so I can't comment on your link. All I know is when ever I've needed health care, I've gotten it - and that includes a couple of operations, though I can't say if they were major or not.