US media omission: Iran calls for global nuclear disarmament

Pepe Silvia
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edited February 2010 in A Moving Train
http://rawstory.com/2010/02/media-omiss ... sarmament/


US media omission: Iran calls for global nuclear disarmament

The American public has not been informed by the US news media about highly newsworthy statements made by Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad on Friday February 12.

He said the era of nuclear weapons is over, suggesting Iran has no plans to build "inhumane" A-bombs. Ahmadinejad called for a world free of nuclear arms in an interview with Russia's NTV channel.

"We believe that not only the Middle East but also the whole world should be free of nuclear weapons because we see such weapons as inhumane," he said.

"Today, no one can use a nuclear weapon and we believe that the US is taking a wrong move by stockpiling nuclear weapons," he added. "Those who claim that they are against nuclear weapons should dismantle their nuclear weapons first to prove that they are honest."

So far, the libertarian-leaning Antiwar.com has been the only American media outlet to cover his statements.
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  • phillypjhead
    phillypjhead Posts: 123
    Wow. I can't believe anyone would believe anything coming out of that Iranian madman's mouth. Isn't this the same guy who always talks about wiping Israel off the map? What would he use to do this, a slingshot? Why did they back out of their recent promise to send their uranium to Europe to be enriched? Why did the world just recently find out about additional secret enrichment sites?

    I think I'm actually glad the media doesn't report the every utterance of this tyrant.
  • Pepe Silvia
    Pepe Silvia Posts: 3,758
    porchmonkey77 wrote:
    Wow. I can't believe anyone would believe anything coming out of that Iranian madman's mouth. Isn't this the same guy who always talks about wiping Israel off the map? What would he use to do this, a slingshot? Why did they back out of their recent promise to send their uranium to Europe to be enriched? Why did the world just recently find out about additional secret enrichment sites?

    I think I'm actually glad the media doesn't report the every utterance of this tyrant.


    no, he never said that.

    why don't you hold Israel to the same accountability in regards to their nuclear program?? at least Iran allows inspections

    also, he was elected and has no actual power so i fail to see how Ahmadinejad is a tyrant
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  • FiveB247x
    FiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    Regardless of who is calling for global nuclear disarmament, it's something we should aim for, not discredit.

    Also, this wouldn't be the first time the US has ignored or declined on such requests.

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  • phillypjhead
    phillypjhead Posts: 123
    Pepe Silvia wrote:
    porchmonkey77 wrote:
    Wow. I can't believe anyone would believe anything coming out of that Iranian madman's mouth. Isn't this the same guy who always talks about wiping Israel off the map? What would he use to do this, a slingshot? Why did they back out of their recent promise to send their uranium to Europe to be enriched? Why did the world just recently find out about additional secret enrichment sites?

    I think I'm actually glad the media doesn't report the every utterance of this tyrant.


    no, he never said that.

    why don't you hold Israel to the same accountability in regards to their nuclear program?? at least Iran allows inspections

    also, he was elected and has no actual power so i fail to see how Ahmadinejad is a tyrant

    He never said that? Well, I guess you should take that up with the NY Times, because they seem to think he did: http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/26/world ... -iran.html.

    As far as Israel's nukes, I'm glad they have them, I believe in a strong deterrent and they have been attacked enough by their neighbors that I don't have a problem with it.

    And then to say he was elected? Really? So you believe that Moussavi really lost in his own home town and that that election wasn't totally fraudulent?

    Wow, some Kool-Aid drinkers on this board. I guess next you'll say he doesn't deny the Holocaust...
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    porchmonkey77 wrote:
    no, he never said that.

    why don't you hold Israel to the same accountability in regards to their nuclear program?? at least Iran allows inspections

    also, he was elected and has no actual power so i fail to see how Ahmadinejad is a tyrant

    He never said that? Well, I guess you should take that up with the NY Times, because they seem to think he did: http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/26/world ... -iran.html.

    As far as Israel's nukes, I'm glad they have them, I believe in a strong deterrent and they have been attacked enough by their neighbors that I don't have a problem with it.

    And then to say he was elected? Really? So you believe that Moussavi really lost in his own home town and that that election wasn't totally fraudulent?

    Wow, some Kool-Aid drinkers on this board. I guess next you'll say he doesn't deny the Holocaust...[/quote]

    before you start calling people names ... perhaps you should try and see where others are coming from ...

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php? ... cleId=4527
  • phillypjhead
    phillypjhead Posts: 123
    polaris_x wrote:
    porchmonkey77 wrote:
    no, he never said that.

    why don't you hold Israel to the same accountability in regards to their nuclear program?? at least Iran allows inspections

    also, he was elected and has no actual power so i fail to see how Ahmadinejad is a tyrant

    He never said that? Well, I guess you should take that up with the NY Times, because they seem to think he did: http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/26/world ... -iran.html.

    As far as Israel's nukes, I'm glad they have them, I believe in a strong deterrent and they have been attacked enough by their neighbors that I don't have a problem with it.

    And then to say he was elected? Really? So you believe that Moussavi really lost in his own home town and that that election wasn't totally fraudulent?

    Wow, some Kool-Aid drinkers on this board. I guess next you'll say he doesn't deny the Holocaust...

    before you start calling people names ... perhaps you should try and see where others are coming from ...

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php? ... cleId=4527[/quote]

    So your point is that he was stating agreement with the proposition of destroying Israel, but that is OK because he was just agreeing with someone else who said the same thing? So if my friend says he wants to reinstate slavery, and I quote him in a speech and indicate an agreement, that is OK, I'm not really calling for blacks to be enslaved? I think we're parsing words a little too much here...the man is obviously an anti-Semite. He HOSTS Holocaust denial conferences, according to the right-wing rag known as NPR who quote him as calling the Holocaust a "myth". BTW, if Kool-aid drinker was offensive I apologize, but I must say I've been called far worse on this board...
  • Pepe Silvia
    Pepe Silvia Posts: 3,758
    porchmonkey77 wrote:
    polaris_x wrote:
    porchmonkey77 wrote:
    no, he never said that.

    why don't you hold Israel to the same accountability in regards to their nuclear program?? at least Iran allows inspections

    also, he was elected and has no actual power so i fail to see how Ahmadinejad is a tyrant

    He never said that? Well, I guess you should take that up with the NY Times, because they seem to think he did: http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/26/world ... -iran.html.

    As far as Israel's nukes, I'm glad they have them, I believe in a strong deterrent and they have been attacked enough by their neighbors that I don't have a problem with it.

    And then to say he was elected? Really? So you believe that Moussavi really lost in his own home town and that that election wasn't totally fraudulent?

    Wow, some Kool-Aid drinkers on this board. I guess next you'll say he doesn't deny the Holocaust...

    before you start calling people names ... perhaps you should try and see where others are coming from ...

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php? ... cleId=4527

    So your point is that he was stating agreement with the proposition of destroying Israel, but that is OK because he was just agreeing with someone else who said the same thing? So if my friend says he wants to reinstate slavery, and I quote him in a speech and indicate an agreement, that is OK, I'm not really calling for blacks to be enslaved? I think we're parsing words a little too much here...the man is obviously an anti-Semite. He HOSTS Holocaust denial conferences, according to the right-wing rag known as NPR who quote him as calling the Holocaust a "myth". BTW, if Kool-aid drinker was offensive I apologize, but I must say I've been called far worse on this board...[/quote]


    he said "the occupation regime over Jerusalem should vanish from the page of time." how can you wipe a regime off the face of the map?? a regime is not the same as a nation.

    and if you're ok with your hypocrisy in Israel defying international law with their nuclear program go right ahead
    don't compete; coexist

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  • phillypjhead
    phillypjhead Posts: 123
    I think this argument is semantics. Do you agree that he hates Jews? Does his government fund, to the tune of tens of millions of dollars a year, organizations that wage war against Israel? That is the real question here. Let's put aside variances in translations.

    As far as "International Law", I have a huge problem with "International Law." I don't respect it, I don't believe in it, I don't feel it applies to me or my country. F international law. If I don't get to vote for the people who make the laws, I don't feel any responsibility to follow them. I am an American citizen, I will deal with the laws of my country as enacted by my duly elected representatives.

    And if "International Law" says that the Jews can't have this weapon or that weapon, but the CHINESE can, then I think our whole world is upside down. I guess it's OK that Pakistan and India have come close to nuking each other tons of times, but god forbid the Israelis want to have nukes...when they have been invaded from all sided in the past 50 years.
  • Pepe Silvia
    Pepe Silvia Posts: 3,758
    porchmonkey77 wrote:
    I think this argument is semantics. Do you agree that he hates Jews? Does his government fund, to the tune of tens of millions of dollars a year, organizations that wage war against Israel? That is the real question here. Let's put aside variances in translations.

    As far as "International Law", I have a huge problem with "International Law." I don't respect it, I don't believe in it, I don't feel it applies to me or my country. F international law. If I don't get to vote for the people who make the laws, I don't feel any responsibility to follow them. I am an American citizen, I will deal with the laws of my country as enacted by my duly elected representatives.

    And if "International Law" says that the Jews can't have this weapon or that weapon, but the CHINESE can, then I think our whole world is upside down. I guess it's OK that Pakistan and India have come close to nuking each other tons of times, but god forbid the Israelis want to have nukes...when they have been invaded from all sided in the past 50 years.

    you can't have it both ways, you can't ask 'Why did they back out of their recent promise to send their uranium to Europe to be enriched? Why did the world just recently find out about additional secret enrichment sites?' then say Israel has no obligations. if they don't why should Iran?

    international law doesn't say jews can't have nukes, not sure how you are coming up with that. what the law and nuclear non proliferation treaty, which the US agreed to, says no country can have a secret nuclear program, which Israel does. to have a nuclear program it must be open to insepctions by the IAEA, which Israel refuses. no one said it's ok for Pakistan, India, China...but not 'jews'. however, all 3 of those countries and even Iran allow inspections and monitoring of their sites, Israel does not, in fact when 1 of their scientists admitted they had a secret nuclear program they kidnapped him, brought him back to Israel and locked him up for 18 years, 11 in isolation. 189 countries are ok with the nuclear non proliferation treaty
    don't compete; coexist

    what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?

    "I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama

    when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
    i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    porchmonkey77 wrote:
    So your point is that he was stating agreement with the proposition of destroying Israel, but that is OK because he was just agreeing with someone else who said the same thing? So if my friend says he wants to reinstate slavery, and I quote him in a speech and indicate an agreement, that is OK, I'm not really calling for blacks to be enslaved? I think we're parsing words a little too much here...the man is obviously an anti-Semite. He HOSTS Holocaust denial conferences, according to the right-wing rag known as NPR who quote him as calling the Holocaust a "myth". BTW, if Kool-aid drinker was offensive I apologize, but I must say I've been called far worse on this board...

    kool-aid drinker isn't that offensive to me ... my only issue is that when people start referring to people as such it often means they aren't interested in listening to the other side ...

    the primary point here is that people focus on catchphrases ... whether it be "flip-flopper" or "socialist" or "wipe israel off the map" ... these catchphrases are used by PR firms by way of mainstream media outlets to formulate popular opinion ... it's meant to convince the public of a dogma without the necessary background information ...

    i don't doubt he would be defined as an anti-semite but so would norman finkelstein or anyone who speaks out against the atrocities committed by Israel ... again - Iran is no saint or innocent victim but like pepe said - you can't say some countries should have nukes and some shouldn't ...
  • phillypjhead
    phillypjhead Posts: 123
    kool-aid drinker isn't that offensive to me ... my only issue is that when people start referring to people as such it often means they aren't interested in listening to the other side ...

    the primary point here is that people focus on catchphrases ... whether it be "flip-flopper" or "socialist" or "wipe israel off the map" ... these catchphrases are used by PR firms by way of mainstream media outlets to formulate popular opinion ... it's meant to convince the public of a dogma without the necessary background information ...

    i don't doubt he would be defined as an anti-semite but so would norman finkelstein or anyone who speaks out against the atrocities committed by Israel ... again - Iran is no saint or innocent victim but like pepe said - you can't say some countries should have nukes and some shouldn't ...[/quote]

    To Pepe, I think you should do a little research on the NPT. Israel has not signed this treaty, therefore it doesn't apply to them. I would not submit to the terms of a contract I hadn't signed, don't know why Israel should be held to a different standard. Some people just don't like Jews and it would be easier if that was just plainly stated so people don't waste time debating on boards with bigots.

    Polaris, I hope we can agree to disagree. We probably have a different view of Israel. I have a huge problem with the current Iranian regime having nukes. I believe that if they did not use them directly, they could slip one to Hamas or one of the other groups that they fund and arm to kill Israelis.
  • rebornFixer
    rebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    I think the intent behind Ahmadinejad's remarks about Israel was pretty darn clear, and people making excuses for this guy's comments still makes me scratch my head. None of you guys claim to be members of the Ahmadinejad fanclub or anything, so why spend so much effort trying to prove that his remarks were mistranslations or what have you? Do you see a lot to admire in theological totalitarianism and denial of the holocaust? I think all this energy would be better spent supporting all the people in Iran (particularly at the university in Tehran) who actually want fair elections. Tehran in particular is actually a progressive hotbed, but there's people on here who seem to lament the unfair treatment of Ahmadinejad in the media. Heaven forbid the possibility that this guy is NOT in fact helping the whole "stability in the Middle East" cause all that much, with his chest-thumping around the issue of Israel and flat-out holocaust denials (which ARE anti-Semitic, not to mention just retarded in a mental sense). I think one can be legitimately critical of Israeli policy without being a holocaust denier and threatening the complete destruction of a people, but what do I know? Hey, by all means ... Throw in your lot with this guy. Grow a unibrow and dress in the same suit day in and day out, and maybe invite a few neo-Nazis over to compare notes.
  • TriumphantAngel
    TriumphantAngel Posts: 1,760
    rebornFixer wrote:
    I think the intent behind Ahmadinejad's remarks about Israel was pretty darn clear, and people making excuses for this guy's comments still makes me scratch my head.
    welcome to my world.

    i'd say Israel's actions/remarks are pretty darn clear too. i scratch my head every damn day when people make excuses for Israel's brutal, illegal and inhumane occupation against one and a half million ordinary Palestinians.

    sickening. pretty fucked up isn't it?
  • TriumphantAngel
    TriumphantAngel Posts: 1,760
    porchmonkey77 wrote:
    To Pepe, I think you should do a little research on the NPT. Israel has not signed this treaty, therefore it doesn't apply to them. I would not submit to the terms of a contract I hadn't signed, don't know why Israel should be held to a different standard. Some people just don't like Jews and it would be easier if that was just plainly stated so people don't waste time debating on boards with bigots.

    the only reason people cry anti-semitism when it's clearly not the case, is just so they can try and discredit and silence anyone that has different views to theirs.

    and they do that because they know that they can't win the argument based on the facts.
  • acrossssSsssshittt
    acrossssSsssshittt Posts: 1,014
    people need to quit stressin about the "official" holocaust... because the same shit has been goin on way before Hitler ever hit the political scene and is still continuing at the hands of the US/UK governments in other parts of the world...

    as for nuclear disarmament, it's just beautiful how the western countries have legitimized their arsenals because its for "deterrance" whereas elsewhere it's considered an evil threat to the "free" world; and if it's in an Islamic country, ah then forget about it...

    to date only one country has dropped the bomb so...

    and as for Iran, well any leader in any part of the world, who has the balls to stand up to western governments, has to be overthrown, the country invaded and its people "liberated" - from fuckin what?.... and how some continue to believe the shit the western governments feed their citizens, is just beyond me...

    and then there is all this grief over military casualties ... quit sending them on world tours on killing sprees....

    and no shit the US government/ media ain't reporting on any such disarmament offers from Iran because what would the US administration do without a threat from so called evil, preferably Islamic, states... it needs the enemy...war is money
  • Pepe Silvia
    Pepe Silvia Posts: 3,758
    porchmonkey77 wrote:
    To Pepe, I think you should do a little research on the NPT. Israel has not signed this treaty, therefore it doesn't apply to them. I would not submit to the terms of a contract I hadn't signed, don't know why Israel should be held to a different standard. Some people just don't like Jews and it would be easier if that was just plainly stated so people don't waste time debating on boards with bigots.

    :lol::lol::lol:
    :roll:
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  • rebornFixer
    rebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    acrossOceans wrote:
    to date only one country has dropped the bomb so...

    :roll:
  • rebornFixer
    rebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    TriumphantAngel wrote:
    rebornFixer wrote:
    I think the intent behind Ahmadinejad's remarks about Israel was pretty darn clear, and people making excuses for this guy's comments still makes me scratch my head.
    welcome to my world.

    i'd say Israel's actions/remarks are pretty darn clear too. i scratch my head every damn day when people make excuses for Israel's brutal, illegal and inhumane occupation against one and a half million ordinary Palestinians.

    sickening. pretty fucked up isn't it?

    Maybe we all need to quit cherry-picking issues and just use logic. Israel's approach to dealing with the Palestinians = wrong. Iran's approach to dealing with Israel = wrong. There, done.
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    rebornFixer wrote:
    Maybe we all need to quit cherry-picking issues and just use logic. Israel's approach to dealing with the Palestinians = wrong. Iran's approach to dealing with Israel = wrong. There, done.

    what has iran done to israel?
  • rebornFixer
    rebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    polaris_x wrote:
    rebornFixer wrote:
    Maybe we all need to quit cherry-picking issues and just use logic. Israel's approach to dealing with the Palestinians = wrong. Iran's approach to dealing with Israel = wrong. There, done.

    what has iran done to israel?

    Iran's government threatens Israel periodically, and even if the threats are empty, it doesn't seem like an effective strategy. Did you read the rest of the thread?

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