Well I think its the way it was handled, like at first it was floor mats? the the brake pedal? now maybe it's software?
those are 2 different problems... cars like the camry and corolla had accelerator problems, the prius had a software problem that they're fixing as a precautionary measure
But to blame it on the floor mats, just seemed like a stretch. Now that they are the biggest automaker they are finding out how tough it really is. Their now seeing when your that big and you have problems the media will pay more attention, similar to the problems Ford and GM have faced over the years.
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Well I think its the way it was handled, like at first it was floor mats? the the brake pedal? now maybe it's software?
those are 2 different problems... cars like the camry and corolla had accelerator problems, the prius had a software problem that they're fixing as a precautionary measure
But to blame it on the floor mats, just seemed like a stretch. Now that they are the biggest automaker they are finding out how tough it really is. Their now seeing when your that big and you have problems the media will pay more attention, similar to the problems Ford and GM have faced over the years.
Doesn't seem like that much of a strech to me. When I was learning to drive, my instructor told me that the most common cause of of a gas pedal getting stuck is actually the floor mat.
Well I think its the way it was handled, like at first it was floor mats? the the brake pedal? now maybe it's software?
those are 2 different problems... cars like the camry and corolla had accelerator problems, the prius had a software problem that they're fixing as a precautionary measure
But to blame it on the floor mats, just seemed like a stretch. Now that they are the biggest automaker they are finding out how tough it really is. Their now seeing when your that big and you have problems the media will pay more attention, similar to the problems Ford and GM have faced over the years.
Well i think the issue is not so much that they are the biggest, but because so far they have had the reputation of being one of the most reliable cars...
They've easily outlasted any north american car we've had...
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In 51 seconds, that man had time to make a phone call, but couldn't jam down the brake pedal and slide the car into neutral?
I think the brake was not helping - and in a panic didn't think of turning off the car. Frankly, before the news of a recall, I wouldn't have thought to turn it off. I would think of that for just about every other electronic device, but a car it wouldn't have crossed my mind, especially in a panic, until it was mentioned in the news recently. ...though I may have thought to try to slowly engage the parking brake.
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In 51 seconds, that man had time to make a phone call, but couldn't jam down the brake pedal and slide the car into neutral?
I think the brake was not helping - and in a panic didn't think of turning off the car. Frankly, before the news of a recall, I wouldn't have thought to turn it off. I would think of that for just about every other electronic device, but a car it wouldn't have crossed my mind, especially in a panic, until it was mentioned in the news recently. ...though I may have thought to try to slowly engage the parking brake.
Actually if your gas pedal gets stuck you are not supposed to turn the car off, if you are moving. Since if you turn the car off when it is moving, you lose power steering and brakes, and your sterring wheel is likely to lock. That is why you put it in Neutral until you can stop safely.
In 51 seconds, that man had time to make a phone call, but couldn't jam down the brake pedal and slide the car into neutral?
I think the brake was not helping - and in a panic didn't think of turning off the car. Frankly, before the news of a recall, I wouldn't have thought to turn it off. I would think of that for just about every other electronic device, but a car it wouldn't have crossed my mind, especially in a panic, until it was mentioned in the news recently. ...though I may have thought to try to slowly engage the parking brake.
Actually if your gas pedal gets stuck you are not supposed to turn the car off, if you are moving. Since if you turn the car off when it is moving, you lose power steering and brakes, and your sterring wheel is likely to lock. That is why you put it in Neutral until you can stop safely.
I heard you're supposed to turn the key 1 click only which keeps the power on. Neutral... that makes much more sense though!
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wow thats horrible!
i'm trying to think of a way to explain my thoughts without trying to downplay the fact that people have died...
i guess my point is (without sounding too horrible here) people die all the time in things that later are recalled... like i said i worked in a baby department and you woudln't believe the amount of stuff that kills babies that they recall... but you don't know about a lot of them... at least i'm assuming you don't because the news doesn't focus on it (well except maybe the storkcraft crib which had a little air time)
lots of other car companies have tons of recalls as well..
In 51 seconds, that man had time to make a phone call, but couldn't jam down the brake pedal and slide the car into neutral?
I think the brake was not helping - and in a panic didn't think of turning off the car. Frankly, before the news of a recall, I wouldn't have thought to turn it off. I would think of that for just about every other electronic device, but a car it wouldn't have crossed my mind, especially in a panic, until it was mentioned in the news recently. ...though I may have thought to try to slowly engage the parking brake.
either way you would have tried to stop the car and not thought about making a phone call
maybe in an airplane out of control I might make a call but in most other situations I would not....
The "Big 3" Detroit car makers lost me many years ago with their poorly designed and built cars. I had a Nova that was a good car. Then (check this out) I had a Vega, Pinto and a Chevette. Blown engines, transmissions, early rust, undependable etc.
I have been buying Toyotas for the last 20 years. I currently dive a 1995 Corolla (130,000 miles) and a 1997 Camry (150,000). Both are running great and have wonderful gas mileage. I think they were built in California.
The current recall has me wondering about my next purchase. I'll pay attention to how Toyota takes care of their customers.
update, check this out.....it's gonna get ugly, the people of Toyota laughed and rolled their eye's at Question's
about safety issue's a few year's back,now who's laughing.
update, check this out.....it's gonna get ugly, the people of Toyota laughed and rolled their eye's at Question's
about safety issue's a few year's back,now who's laughing.
update, check this out.....it's gonna get ugly, the people of Toyota laughed and rolled their eye's at Question's
about safety issue's a few year's back,now who's laughing.
I watched it last night on t.v and can't remember the channel but Mr.Toyoda is in knee deep in the kimchie,
he and the 2nd in command both admitted to over looking safety issue's in favor of profit.
something like 39 dead as a direct result of the problem with the car, and they knew about it last year
but failed to properly inform the public ? WTF ???
THEY SAVED A $100,000,000 I believe by avoiding the issue last year, they will spend 10 to 20 times that
just in attorney fee's I'm guessing, then the pay out in law suites will be unreal.
I watched it last night on t.v and can't remember the channel but Mr.Toyoda is in knee deep in the kimchie,
he and the 2nd in command both admitted to over looking safety issue's in favor of profit.
something like 39 dead as a direct result of the problem with the car, and they knew about it last year
but failed to properly inform the public ? WTF ???
THEY SAVED A $100,000,000 I believe by avoiding the issue last year, they will spend 10 to 20 times that
just in attorney fee's I'm guessing, then the pay out in law suites will be unreal.
Godfather.
That's really bad for them. Knowing there is an issue and choosing to ignore it is huge as far as negligence suits go, especially an issue that goes all the way up to the boss of the company. That's how Ford got destroyed in court when it came to the Pinto because the jury decided to award the victims punitive damages to punish Ford for ignoring the problems.
ABC News has admitted it used visuals in a report on acceleration problems with Toyota vehicles that didn't demonstrate what was actually happening.
The network's handling of a Feb. 22 World News story about potential problems with computer systems in Toyotas has raised journalistic ethical questions and intensified bitter feelings the besieged automaker already had toward ABC.
The automaker has had to recall many of its cars because of problems associated with sticky gas pedals.
ABC has now admitted to a misjudgment and swapped out the brief dashboard video in its report, which continues to be available online.
Its story illustrated a report by David Gilbert, a Southern Illinois University professor who suggested that a design flaw in Toyotas might leave a short-circuit that could cause sudden acceleration undetected by the car's computer system.
Correspondent Brian Ross's report showed him driving a Toyota with Gilbert that was rigged to quickly accelerate. Even though he knew it was coming, Ross said the incident left him shaken, and he had a hard time getting the car to come to a stop.
Tachometer shot needed to be steady
Briefly during the drive, ABC cut to a picture of a tachometer with the needle zooming forward. The impression was that the tachometer was documenting the ride Ross was taking. Instead, that picture was taken from a separate instance where a short-circuit was induced in a parked car.
ABC said that editing was done because it was impossible to get a good shot of the tachometer while the car was moving because the camera was shaking. The camera shot was steady when it was taken in a parked car.
"The tachometer showed the same thing every time," said ABC News spokeswoman Emily Lenzner.
Toyota spokesman John Hanson disputes that, saying tachometers react much more dramatically when short-circuits happen in a parked car than a car that is moving. Tachometers measure engine speed.
It all points to problems that are created when visual journalists try to alter reality in order to get a better picture.
"Any time you give the audience any reason to doubt the honesty of the piece, that's a serious problem," said Charlotte Grimes, a Syracuse University journalism professor who specializes in ethical issues.
"Do they honestly think that a company like Toyota, with all the resources that it has, would not be looking at these things?" Grimes asked.
'Misjudgement' in editing: ABC
Toyota recognized the differences right away: the shot showed the car's speedometer was at zero, the parking brake was on and no one was using the seat belts — while Ross wore one on the test drive, Hanson said.
Online discussion of the differences began almost immediately, and the website Gawker.com wrote about it last week.
ABC edited the online version of its story shortly after that story appeared and wrote a note on its website explaining why.
"This was a misjudgment made in the editing room," Lenzner said. "They should have left the shaky shot in. But I want to make clear that the two-second shot that was used did not change the outcome of the report in any way."
Hanson said he wished Toyota could have been invited to see the simulation conducted by ABC.
Well today, some moron stopped unexpectedly on the CA-49/108 merge at Jamestown, and had I not had antilock brakes on my Tacoma, I would have rear ended the jackass.
Braking problem? What braking problem?
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Doesn't seem like that much of a strech to me. When I was learning to drive, my instructor told me that the most common cause of of a gas pedal getting stuck is actually the floor mat.
They've easily outlasted any north american car we've had...
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/stor ... =123595413
lol wtf?
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Overblown? You tell me.
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In 51 seconds, that man had time to make a phone call, but couldn't jam down the brake pedal and slide the car into neutral?
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
I think the brake was not helping - and in a panic didn't think of turning off the car. Frankly, before the news of a recall, I wouldn't have thought to turn it off. I would think of that for just about every other electronic device, but a car it wouldn't have crossed my mind, especially in a panic, until it was mentioned in the news recently. ...though I may have thought to try to slowly engage the parking brake.
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Actually if your gas pedal gets stuck you are not supposed to turn the car off, if you are moving. Since if you turn the car off when it is moving, you lose power steering and brakes, and your sterring wheel is likely to lock. That is why you put it in Neutral until you can stop safely.
I heard you're supposed to turn the key 1 click only which keeps the power on. Neutral... that makes much more sense though!
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i'm trying to think of a way to explain my thoughts without trying to downplay the fact that people have died...
i guess my point is (without sounding too horrible here) people die all the time in things that later are recalled... like i said i worked in a baby department and you woudln't believe the amount of stuff that kills babies that they recall... but you don't know about a lot of them... at least i'm assuming you don't because the news doesn't focus on it (well except maybe the storkcraft crib which had a little air time)
lots of other car companies have tons of recalls as well..
either way you would have tried to stop the car and not thought about making a phone call
maybe in an airplane out of control I might make a call but in most other situations I would not....
I have been buying Toyotas for the last 20 years. I currently dive a 1995 Corolla (130,000 miles) and a 1997 Camry (150,000). Both are running great and have wonderful gas mileage. I think they were built in California.
The current recall has me wondering about my next purchase. I'll pay attention to how Toyota takes care of their customers.
I hate to shop for cars!!!
about safety issue's a few year's back,now who's laughing.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,587183,00.html
Godfather.
just curious...
I watched it last night on t.v and can't remember the channel but Mr.Toyoda is in knee deep in the kimchie,
he and the 2nd in command both admitted to over looking safety issue's in favor of profit.
something like 39 dead as a direct result of the problem with the car, and they knew about it last year
but failed to properly inform the public ? WTF ???
THEY SAVED A $100,000,000 I believe by avoiding the issue last year, they will spend 10 to 20 times that
just in attorney fee's I'm guessing, then the pay out in law suites will be unreal.
Godfather.
That's really bad for them. Knowing there is an issue and choosing to ignore it is huge as far as negligence suits go, especially an issue that goes all the way up to the boss of the company. That's how Ford got destroyed in court when it came to the Pinto because the jury decided to award the victims punitive damages to punish Ford for ignoring the problems.
Godfather.
ABC News has admitted it used visuals in a report on acceleration problems with Toyota vehicles that didn't demonstrate what was actually happening.
The network's handling of a Feb. 22 World News story about potential problems with computer systems in Toyotas has raised journalistic ethical questions and intensified bitter feelings the besieged automaker already had toward ABC.
The automaker has had to recall many of its cars because of problems associated with sticky gas pedals.
ABC has now admitted to a misjudgment and swapped out the brief dashboard video in its report, which continues to be available online.
Its story illustrated a report by David Gilbert, a Southern Illinois University professor who suggested that a design flaw in Toyotas might leave a short-circuit that could cause sudden acceleration undetected by the car's computer system.
Correspondent Brian Ross's report showed him driving a Toyota with Gilbert that was rigged to quickly accelerate. Even though he knew it was coming, Ross said the incident left him shaken, and he had a hard time getting the car to come to a stop.
Tachometer shot needed to be steady
Briefly during the drive, ABC cut to a picture of a tachometer with the needle zooming forward. The impression was that the tachometer was documenting the ride Ross was taking. Instead, that picture was taken from a separate instance where a short-circuit was induced in a parked car.
ABC said that editing was done because it was impossible to get a good shot of the tachometer while the car was moving because the camera was shaking. The camera shot was steady when it was taken in a parked car.
"The tachometer showed the same thing every time," said ABC News spokeswoman Emily Lenzner.
Toyota spokesman John Hanson disputes that, saying tachometers react much more dramatically when short-circuits happen in a parked car than a car that is moving. Tachometers measure engine speed.
It all points to problems that are created when visual journalists try to alter reality in order to get a better picture.
"Any time you give the audience any reason to doubt the honesty of the piece, that's a serious problem," said Charlotte Grimes, a Syracuse University journalism professor who specializes in ethical issues.
"Do they honestly think that a company like Toyota, with all the resources that it has, would not be looking at these things?" Grimes asked.
'Misjudgement' in editing: ABC
Toyota recognized the differences right away: the shot showed the car's speedometer was at zero, the parking brake was on and no one was using the seat belts — while Ross wore one on the test drive, Hanson said.
Online discussion of the differences began almost immediately, and the website Gawker.com wrote about it last week.
ABC edited the online version of its story shortly after that story appeared and wrote a note on its website explaining why.
"This was a misjudgment made in the editing room," Lenzner said. "They should have left the shaky shot in. But I want to make clear that the two-second shot that was used did not change the outcome of the report in any way."
Hanson said he wished Toyota could have been invited to see the simulation conducted by ABC.
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Braking problem? What braking problem?