a question for the birthers
TriumphantAngel
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comments in another thread by some of you, have got me thinking about the mindset behind your thoughts on this again.
whether you like it or not, the evidence of Obama's birth in Hawaii is overwhelming. what logical reason is there for you to completely refuse to accept factual evidence that Obama is a natural born citizen of the US. why are you so hell bent on continuing with the accusations that have been completely debunked?
help me to understand.
what is it that you are really upset about? What is so different about Obama compared to previous Presidents that we've had? Is it his ancestry that gets to you? is it the fact that his mom is Kansan, his dad is Kenyan and Obama is African American?
is it that it's more pleasant for you to say you hate someone because they are not a citizen of the United States, than it is to admit that you hate someone because you are a racist?
unless i'm missing something, there is no other explanation that makes any sense.
if you see it any differently, i've got my listening ears on. what other explanation could there be?
whether you like it or not, the evidence of Obama's birth in Hawaii is overwhelming. what logical reason is there for you to completely refuse to accept factual evidence that Obama is a natural born citizen of the US. why are you so hell bent on continuing with the accusations that have been completely debunked?
help me to understand.
what is it that you are really upset about? What is so different about Obama compared to previous Presidents that we've had? Is it his ancestry that gets to you? is it the fact that his mom is Kansan, his dad is Kenyan and Obama is African American?
is it that it's more pleasant for you to say you hate someone because they are not a citizen of the United States, than it is to admit that you hate someone because you are a racist?
unless i'm missing something, there is no other explanation that makes any sense.
if you see it any differently, i've got my listening ears on. what other explanation could there be?
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unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487I'm not a fan of Obama but not because of his race (he is also half white), I'm not a fan because of his spending policies.
People need to get past race as an excuse. Blacks need to stop playing the card and whites need to stop worrying about someone because they don't look the same.
If he really was born here though I have no problem with him running. I don't want immigrants ever being eligible for President. I hope the three rules are always in place.
I does seem like Obama has a very cloudy past though.0 -
unsung wrote:I'm not a fan of Obama but not because of his race (he is also half white), I'm not a fan because of his spending policies.
People need to get past race as an excuse. Blacks need to stop playing the card and whites need to stop worrying about someone because they don't look the same.
If he really was born here though I have no problem with him running. I don't want immigrants ever being eligible for President. I hope the three rules are always in place.
I does seem like Obama has a very cloudy past though.
Specifics on what you mean by cloudy past please?
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good luck getting a response in here, people will perpetuate the rumor that obama is not an american but when asked point blank they will deny being a birther....TriumphantAngel wrote:comments in another thread by some of you, have got me thinking about the mindset behind your thoughts on this again.
whether you like it or not, the evidence of Obama's birth in Hawaii is overwhelming. what logical reason is there for you to completely refuse to accept factual evidence that Obama is a natural born citizen of the US. why are you so hell bent on continuing with the accusations that have been completely debunked?
help me to understand.
what is it that you are really upset about? What is so different about Obama compared to previous Presidents that we've had? Is it his ancestry that gets to you? is it the fact that his mom is Kansan, his dad is Kenyan and Obama is African American?
is it that it's more pleasant for you to say you hate someone because they are not a citizen of the United States, than it is to admit that you hate someone because you are a racist?
unless i'm missing something, there is no other explanation that makes any sense.
if you see it any differently, i've got my listening ears on. what other explanation could there be?"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."0 -
gimmesometruth27 wrote:
good luck getting a response in here, people will perpetuate the rumor that obama is not an american but when asked point blank they will deny being a birther....TriumphantAngel wrote:comments in another thread by some of you, have got me thinking about the mindset behind your thoughts on this again.
whether you like it or not, the evidence of Obama's birth in Hawaii is overwhelming. what logical reason is there for you to completely refuse to accept factual evidence that Obama is a natural born citizen of the US. why are you so hell bent on continuing with the accusations that have been completely debunked?
help me to understand.
what is it that you are really upset about? What is so different about Obama compared to previous Presidents that we've had? Is it his ancestry that gets to you? is it the fact that his mom is Kansan, his dad is Kenyan and Obama is African American?
is it that it's more pleasant for you to say you hate someone because they are not a citizen of the United States, than it is to admit that you hate someone because you are a racist?
unless i'm missing something, there is no other explanation that makes any sense.
if you see it any differently, i've got my listening ears on. what other explanation could there be?
It appears to be a way of continuing of the belittling of the Presidency that Obama now occupies. They seem to be willing to try ANYTHING to attain that goal. Good luck, as if when he was born somebody had the bright idea someday you will be president let's make up a new birth certificate for you. Yeah right!
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It's like what Jon Stewart said in his interview with Fox.
It is a complete 180 by Fox and teabaggers. Remember it is treason to criticize the President in wartime. It gives comfort to the enemy.
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fox can't have it both ways, either its treason or its not. now fox says it is patriotism to criticize the president. i guess treason is in the eye of the beholder...i think now a days it is only treason if someone else criticizes the president when your guy is in officeSmellyman wrote:It's like what Jon Stewart said in his interview with Fox.
It is a complete 180 by Fox and teabaggers. Remember it is treason to criticize the President in wartime. It gives comfort to the enemy.
However, Obama is fair game
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gimmesometruth27 wrote:
fox can't have it both ways, either its treason or its not. now fox says it is patriotism to criticize the president. i guess treason is in the eye of the beholder...i think now a days it is only treason if someone else criticizes the president when your guy is in officeSmellyman wrote:It's like what Jon Stewart said in his interview with Fox.
It is a complete 180 by Fox and teabaggers. Remember it is treason to criticize the President in wartime. It gives comfort to the enemy.
However, Obama is fair game
apparently they can and have for a whiledon't compete; coexist
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A person has to be a "citizen of The United States" Obama is that. But, there is not overwhelming evidence that he was born in Hawaii. There is his certificate of live birth which is not a birth certificate. They are issued at any time to the adult person who is requesting it. I have one that I got when I got my passport because the original was not acceptable. Obama has not produced a birth certificate that was given to his parents when he was born.
The birth announcements in the paper do not say where he was born. They only list his parents names and the street they lived on in Hawaii. The fact is he could have been born in any hospital in the world and his parents simply announced it in their hometown paper. They could have put the announcement in any paper.
What is different about him and every other President is that there is no primary source to prove where in fact he was born. Future historians will question this and they will come to the conclusion nobody knows where he was born.
The problem with this is that if he was born somewhere besides the US we have a Constitutional crisis on our hands. Lawyers will go freaking nuts over this and you can bet your Pearl Jam tickets that if the Repubs take control of congress they will make an issue and try to impeach him.
Something that keeps this going is the fact that I heard somewhere that his granny said she was present when he was born in Kenya. I don't know if that was published or not but I'm sure I heard that story somewhere.
It is not racist to question something about the President.I found my place......and it's alright0 -
otter wrote:A person has to be a "citizen of The United States" Obama is that. But, there is not overwhelming evidence that he was born in Hawaii. There is his certificate of live birth which is not a birth certificate. They are issued at any time to the adult person who is requesting it. I have one that I got when I got my passport because the original was not acceptable. Obama has not produced a birth certificate that was given to his parents when he was born.
The birth announcements in the paper do not say where he was born. They only list his parents names and the street they lived on in Hawaii. The fact is he could have been born in any hospital in the world and his parents simply announced it in their hometown paper. They could have put the announcement in any paper.
What is different about him and every other President is that there is no primary source to prove where in fact he was born. Future historians will question this and they will come to the conclusion nobody knows where he was born.
The problem with this is that if he was born somewhere besides the US we have a Constitutional crisis on our hands. Lawyers will go freaking nuts over this and you can bet your Pearl Jam tickets that if the Repubs take control of congress they will make an issue and try to impeach him.
Something that keeps this going is the fact that I heard somewhere that his granny said she was present when he was born in Kenya. I don't know if that was published or not but I'm sure I heard that story somewhere.
It is not racist to question something about the President.
there is no controversy over his citizenship.
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008 ... e_usa.html
http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn22 ... ficate.jpg
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/bi ... ficate.asp
and i never said it was racist to question something about the President. what i did say is that when you have overwheliming evidence about something, what logical reason is there to keep saying otherwise.
i then said, if race is not the issue, what is it?
to which not one person has answered in this thread.0 -
A certificate of live birth is not a birth certificate. The date on the bottom of the pictures you posted says revised 11/01.
There is no primary source.
read my previous post. You will see that there is something to think about.I found my place......and it's alright0 -
otter wrote:The problem with this is that if he was born somewhere besides the US we have a Constitutional crisis on our hands. Lawyers will go freaking nuts over this and you can bet your Pearl Jam tickets that if the Repubs take control of congress they will make an issue and try to impeach him..
impeach? ask Dennis Kucinich how easy it is to pursue impeachment, even when the allegations ARE true, which they are not in Obamas case.otter wrote:Something that keeps this going is the fact that I heard somewhere that his granny said she was present when he was born in Kenya. I don't know if that was published or not but I'm sure I heard that story somewhere.
It is not racist to question something about the President.
how scary is that? you "heard" something and just assumed it was true? the person that stated that is called Philip Berg. he iis a complete and utter nut job who has mastered the art of manufacturing false claims to stay in the news and to keep soliciting money. he has got rich off of naive people who donated money to him via obamacrimes.com. he conned them into believing he had so much evidence against Obama, that he had convinced the Supreme Court to order Obama produce his birth certificate. It turned out no such order existed.
he is a joke.0 -
Kinda like you "heard" Obama was born in Hawaii and assumed that was true.
Think critically friend
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what are you gonna do about it?otter wrote:Kinda like you "heard" Obama was born in Hawaii and asumed that was true.
Think critically friend
you have 2 options, either produce proof and get him out of office or stop spreading this rumor."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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Forget about what his Gram said or didn't say. I didn't know the rumor started with a crack pot. I just heard it and remembered it, that's it.
Nobody knows for sure where he was born; Not me, not you, and not The President. So what is wrong with asking the question? Nothing in my opinion.
The fact is without a primary source...an issue can be made.I found my place......and it's alright0 -
otter wrote:Forget about what his Gram said or didn't say. I didn't know the rumor started with a crack pot. I just heard it and remembered it, that's it.
and there in lies the whole problem with some people today. they hear what they want to, and ignore what they don't, without taking the time to really look into things.0 -
otter wrote:Forget about what his Gram said or didn't say. I didn't know the rumor started with a crack pot. I just heard it and remembered it, that's it.
Nobody knows for sure where he was born; Not me, not you, and not The President. So what is wrong with asking the question? Nothing in my opinion.
The fact is without a primary source...an issue can be made.
go ahead and keep making an issue of it. you are only alienating people who would otherwise respecfully debate you about other things. it is amazing to me that obama can not get the benefit of the doubt for ANYTHING. most importantly his citizenship. i don't care if you like the guy or not, but talking about his birth certificate is only wasing time and taking energy away from the real issues.
without your certificate of live birth, how do you know who your father is? because your mother told you so."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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Dude
I didn't bring it up.
I just tried to explain why some people think this is an issue.
Always think critically. :wave: I'm going to watch the superbowlI found my place......and it's alright0 -
gimmesometruth27 wrote:without your certificate of live birth, how do you know who your father is? because your mother told you so.
Aw man :wtf: That's pretty low. Then again I guess it's pretty easy to talk smack like that knowin you can get away with it.0 -
prfctlefts wrote:gimmesometruth27 wrote:without your certificate of live birth, how do you know who your father is? because your mother told you so.
Aw man :wtf: That's pretty low. Then again I guess it's pretty easy to talk smack like that knowin you can get away with it.
do you actually have something worthwhile to contributre to my thread? or are you just looking to TRY and bait people again.0 -
that is not low. it is an old southern saying. talking about faith. read it in that context and see if you feel it differently.prfctlefts wrote:gimmesometruth27 wrote:without your certificate of live birth, how do you know who your father is? because your mother told you so.
Aw man :wtf: That's pretty low. Then again I guess it's pretty easy to talk smack like that knowin you can get away with it."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."0
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