Gitmo closed yet?

unsung

Just checking if this is still in the works since the order was signed Jan 22 2009. That one year sure went by fast, tick tock tick tock.

Byrnzie

I've no idea.

inmytree

unsung wrote:

Just checking if this is still in the works since the order was signed Jan 22 2009. That one year sure went by fast, tick tock tick tock.

yeah, that did go by fast...I'm really surprised gitmo hasn't closed...ya know, since it's such an easy process...other countries are stepping up to take those folks off our hands...people here in the US have been more that willing to take prisoners and house them close to home...

damn that o bama...

unsung

promises promises

rebornFixer

I am pretty sure not.

Cosmo

I'm a bit confused... are you happy that Guantanamo Bay is still in operation?

TriumphantAngel

unsung wrote:

promises promises

last i heard, this administration has been trying to convince other countries to take some of the detainees that are still there as a result of the last administrations fuck ups. i also heard there's a lot of bitching and moaning going on because people want gitmo to shut down, but don't want any of the detainees anywhere near them.

so this administration should take responsibility and clean up the freaking mess right? give them a fair trial, and if convicted, and the charges warrant it, then sentence them to max security prisons. If there is no evidence, or if they are found innocent, set them free. and hurry the hell up about it.

just a thought of course.

know1

It's not closed yet, but you sure don't hear as much about it anymore.

Kel Varnsen

TriumphantAngel wrote:

unsung wrote:

promises promises

last i heard, this administration has been trying to convince other countries to take some of the detainees that are still there as a result of the last administrations fuck ups. i also heard there's a lot of bitching and moaning going on because people want gitmo to shut down, but don't want any of the detainees anywhere near them.

That is something I don't really understand. I mean if you live next to a high security prison you are already probably living next to hard core gangbangers, hitmen mafia types and serial killers. Yet they don't want possible terrorist detainees living anywhere near them. What exactly do people think these guys are Bond villians, or Cobra Commander or something?

Cosmo

Kel Varnsen wrote:

That is something I don't really understand. I mean if you live next to a high security prison you are already probably living next to hard core gangbangers, hitmen mafia types and serial killers. Yet they don't want possible terrorist detainees living anywhere near them. What exactly do people think these guys are Bond villians, or Cobra Commander or something?

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I feel exactly the same way. I saw a news report a few years ago about a prisoner in California... who ATE his victim!!! Those detainees are nothing compared to neo-Nazi with swastikas tattooed on their faces or hardcore, cold blooded killers we have here. Hell, Charles Manson is in a prison in the U.S. and we're okay with that.
It's all a game of fear.

rebornFixer

Cosmo wrote:

Kel Varnsen wrote:

That is something I don't really understand. I mean if you live next to a high security prison you are already probably living next to hard core gangbangers, hitmen mafia types and serial killers. Yet they don't want possible terrorist detainees living anywhere near them. What exactly do people think these guys are Bond villians, or Cobra Commander or something?

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I feel exactly the same way. I saw a news report a few years ago about a prisoner in California... who ATE his victim!!! Those detainees are nothing compared to neo-Nazi with swastikas tattooed on their faces or hardcore, cold blooded killers we have here. Hell, Charles Manson is in a prison in the U.S. and we're okay with that.
It's all a game of fear.

The very problem with Gitmo is that we don't even know for sure who the hell is there! A few of these guys could be dangerous fanatics, but who knows? Unfortunately, a lack of decent info probably helps breed the fear. The lack of transparency is not only fundamentally inconsistent with American judicial principles ... It also fuels this boogeyman image that makes it even harder to place these prisoners elsewhere.

ajedigecko

an acquaintance shared their fear with me. they are afraid that their "terrorist homies" will make an attempt to free them from a non military institution.

maybe they will.....maybe they will not, regardless, it was a point of view that i had not even considered.

Kel Varnsen

ajedigecko wrote:

an acquaintance shared their fear with me. they are afraid that their "terrorist homies" will make an attempt to free them from a non military institution.

maybe they will.....maybe they will not, regardless, it was a point of view that i had not even considered.

Isn't the whole standard procedure for terrorist to indoctronate people who are easy to mainpulate and are pretty expendable (like the underwear bomber) and then using them to attack targets that don't have super high security? Because of that I can't see the "terrorist homies" of these guys attacking a supermax prison in the middle of like South Dakota or something to break these guys out. Like I said these guys aren't Bond villians with super complex plans.

gimmesometruth27

Kel Varnsen wrote:

ajedigecko wrote:

an acquaintance shared their fear with me. they are afraid that their "terrorist homies" will make an attempt to free them from a non military institution.

maybe they will.....maybe they will not, regardless, it was a point of view that i had not even considered.

Isn't the whole standard procedure for terrorist to indoctronate people who are easy to mainpulate and are pretty expendable (like the underwear bomber) and then using them to attack targets that don't have super high security? Because of that I can't see the "terrorist homies" of these guys attacking a supermax prison in the middle of like South Dakota or something to break these guys out. Like I said these guys aren't Bond villians with super complex plans.

yeah none of these guys live in a rocky lair on the southeastern side of a volcano only reachable 7 months out of the year by helicopter...so i doubt their homies will bust them out of anywhere...

gitmo has not been closed yet due to irrational fears that it is safer to have them illegally locked up in cuba instead of tried, convicted, and thrown in a supermax here in the states. its all well and good, yet nobody wants the prisoners "in their neighborhood"...frankly i lived near a supermax called Tamms in southern illinios and they had the worst of the worst there. my roommate at the time was a guard there and he said one of the guys shoved a shotgun up a woman's vagina and pulled the trigger. i would be way more concerned about having guys like that get out than some lone alleged terrorist getting out and being on the lam in southern illinois, i mean what's he gonna really do??

as an aside, my roommate later lost his job due to "cruel and unusual punishment on multiple prisoners", so maybe a supermaxx like Tamms would be better for these terrorists??

rebornFixer

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

as an aside, my roommate later lost his job due to "cruel and unusual punishment on multiple prisoners", so maybe a supermaxx like Tamms would be better for these terrorists??

You must have some good roommate stories ...

gimmesometruth27

rebornFixer wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

as an aside, my roommate later lost his job due to "cruel and unusual punishment on multiple prisoners", so maybe a supermaxx like Tamms would be better for these terrorists??

You must have some good roommate stories ...

yeah he was a 'roid freak with a short fuse...i could completely picture him doing the things they accused him of in the papers...he told me one time a prisoner spit on him, so he went and got his guard friends and did a "cell extraction" where they maced the guy and beat him with the batons and riot shields...he said all cell extractions were taped with handheld video cameras and they were told to shake the camera so that the image quality was bad and indecipherable....horrible places those supermaxxes are...

Cosmo

ajedigecko wrote:

an acquaintance shared their fear with me. they are afraid that their "terrorist homies" will make an attempt to free them from a non military institution.

maybe they will.....maybe they will not, regardless, it was a point of view that i had not even considered.

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Tell your friend that these guys are not al Qaeda Delta Forces... there is no such thing as al Qaeda Delta Forces... in fact, the al Qaeda Delta Forces strap explosives to their balls.
And these maximum security prisons can keep high level gang bangers from trying to spring them... they are pretty secure facilities.
As for the worst of the worst... like that Sheik that looks like John Belushi... put him with the worst of the worst our American prisoners at Pelican Bay. Bunking with neo-Nazi psychos and Crip Cop Killers... That'll make Camp Delta look like a YMCA Summer Camp to him.

unsung

I think it is funny some of you bleeding hearts have sympathy for these people. These people would slice your head off without a second thought but you complain if they get their meals at 12:05 instead of 12:00.

Smellyman

unsung wrote:

I think it is funny some of you bleeding hearts have sympathy for these people. These people would slice your head off without a second thought but you complain if they get their meals at 12:05 instead of 12:00.

what people? who is in there?

Cosmo

unsung wrote:

I think it is funny some of you bleeding hearts have sympathy for these people. These people would slice your head off without a second thought but you complain if they get their meals at 12:05 instead of 12:00.

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Who is 'showing sympathy' for them?
And there are killers in our prisions that would plunge a phillips screwdriver in your ear, just to see what would happen... then, eat you as their meal at 12:05 instead of 12:00.
So... what is your point?

ajedigecko

to elaborate more on the concern shared by the individual who is concerned........he made a valid point that being put into our prison system is a strategy being persued by the terrorist and it is a strategy that will take time to implement. he has explained to me that one of their main goals is to use our justice system against us.

i know for a fact about them wanting to use our justice system against us.

i take him for his word.