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unsungunsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
edited April 2011 in A Moving Train
Just checking if this is still in the works since the order was signed Jan 22 2009. That one year sure went by fast, tick tock tick tock.
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  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    I've no idea.
  • inmytreeinmytree Posts: 4,741
    unsung wrote:
    Just checking if this is still in the works since the order was signed Jan 22 2009. That one year sure went by fast, tick tock tick tock.

    yeah, that did go by fast...I'm really surprised gitmo hasn't closed...ya know, since it's such an easy process...other countries are stepping up to take those folks off our hands...people here in the US have been more that willing to take prisoners and house them close to home...

    damn that o bama...
  • unsungunsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    promises promises
  • rebornFixerrebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    I am pretty sure not.
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    I'm a bit confused... are you happy that Guantanamo Bay is still in operation?
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  • TriumphantAngelTriumphantAngel Posts: 1,760
    unsung wrote:
    promises promises
    last i heard, this administration has been trying to convince other countries to take some of the detainees that are still there as a result of the last administrations fuck ups. i also heard there's a lot of bitching and moaning going on because people want gitmo to shut down, but don't want any of the detainees anywhere near them.

    so this administration should take responsibility and clean up the freaking mess right? give them a fair trial, and if convicted, and the charges warrant it, then sentence them to max security prisons. If there is no evidence, or if they are found innocent, set them free. and hurry the hell up about it.

    just a thought of course.
  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    It's not closed yet, but you sure don't hear as much about it anymore.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • Kel VarnsenKel Varnsen Posts: 1,952
    TriumphantAngel wrote:
    unsung wrote:
    promises promises
    last i heard, this administration has been trying to convince other countries to take some of the detainees that are still there as a result of the last administrations fuck ups. i also heard there's a lot of bitching and moaning going on because people want gitmo to shut down, but don't want any of the detainees anywhere near them.

    That is something I don't really understand. I mean if you live next to a high security prison you are already probably living next to hard core gangbangers, hitmen mafia types and serial killers. Yet they don't want possible terrorist detainees living anywhere near them. What exactly do people think these guys are Bond villians, or Cobra Commander or something?
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    Kel Varnsen wrote:
    That is something I don't really understand. I mean if you live next to a high security prison you are already probably living next to hard core gangbangers, hitmen mafia types and serial killers. Yet they don't want possible terrorist detainees living anywhere near them. What exactly do people think these guys are Bond villians, or Cobra Commander or something?
    ...
    I feel exactly the same way. I saw a news report a few years ago about a prisoner in California... who ATE his victim!!! Those detainees are nothing compared to neo-Nazi with swastikas tattooed on their faces or hardcore, cold blooded killers we have here. Hell, Charles Manson is in a prison in the U.S. and we're okay with that.
    It's all a game of fear.
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  • rebornFixerrebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    Cosmo wrote:
    Kel Varnsen wrote:
    That is something I don't really understand. I mean if you live next to a high security prison you are already probably living next to hard core gangbangers, hitmen mafia types and serial killers. Yet they don't want possible terrorist detainees living anywhere near them. What exactly do people think these guys are Bond villians, or Cobra Commander or something?
    ...
    I feel exactly the same way. I saw a news report a few years ago about a prisoner in California... who ATE his victim!!! Those detainees are nothing compared to neo-Nazi with swastikas tattooed on their faces or hardcore, cold blooded killers we have here. Hell, Charles Manson is in a prison in the U.S. and we're okay with that.
    It's all a game of fear.

    The very problem with Gitmo is that we don't even know for sure who the hell is there! A few of these guys could be dangerous fanatics, but who knows? Unfortunately, a lack of decent info probably helps breed the fear. The lack of transparency is not only fundamentally inconsistent with American judicial principles ... It also fuels this boogeyman image that makes it even harder to place these prisoners elsewhere.
  • ajedigeckoajedigecko \m/deplorable af \m/ Posts: 2,430
    an acquaintance shared their fear with me. they are afraid that their "terrorist homies" will make an attempt to free them from a non military institution.

    maybe they will.....maybe they will not, regardless, it was a point of view that i had not even considered.
    live and let live...unless it violates the pearligious doctrine.
  • Kel VarnsenKel Varnsen Posts: 1,952
    ajedigecko wrote:
    an acquaintance shared their fear with me. they are afraid that their "terrorist homies" will make an attempt to free them from a non military institution.

    maybe they will.....maybe they will not, regardless, it was a point of view that i had not even considered.

    Isn't the whole standard procedure for terrorist to indoctronate people who are easy to mainpulate and are pretty expendable (like the underwear bomber) and then using them to attack targets that don't have super high security? Because of that I can't see the "terrorist homies" of these guys attacking a supermax prison in the middle of like South Dakota or something to break these guys out. Like I said these guys aren't Bond villians with super complex plans.
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    Kel Varnsen wrote:
    ajedigecko wrote:
    an acquaintance shared their fear with me. they are afraid that their "terrorist homies" will make an attempt to free them from a non military institution.

    maybe they will.....maybe they will not, regardless, it was a point of view that i had not even considered.

    Isn't the whole standard procedure for terrorist to indoctronate people who are easy to mainpulate and are pretty expendable (like the underwear bomber) and then using them to attack targets that don't have super high security? Because of that I can't see the "terrorist homies" of these guys attacking a supermax prison in the middle of like South Dakota or something to break these guys out. Like I said these guys aren't Bond villians with super complex plans.
    yeah none of these guys live in a rocky lair on the southeastern side of a volcano only reachable 7 months out of the year by helicopter...so i doubt their homies will bust them out of anywhere...

    gitmo has not been closed yet due to irrational fears that it is safer to have them illegally locked up in cuba instead of tried, convicted, and thrown in a supermax here in the states. its all well and good, yet nobody wants the prisoners "in their neighborhood"...frankly i lived near a supermax called Tamms in southern illinios and they had the worst of the worst there. my roommate at the time was a guard there and he said one of the guys shoved a shotgun up a woman's vagina and pulled the trigger. i would be way more concerned about having guys like that get out than some lone alleged terrorist getting out and being on the lam in southern illinois, i mean what's he gonna really do??

    as an aside, my roommate later lost his job due to "cruel and unusual punishment on multiple prisoners", so maybe a supermaxx like Tamms would be better for these terrorists??
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • rebornFixerrebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    as an aside, my roommate later lost his job due to "cruel and unusual punishment on multiple prisoners", so maybe a supermaxx like Tamms would be better for these terrorists??

    You must have some good roommate stories ...
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    rebornFixer wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    as an aside, my roommate later lost his job due to "cruel and unusual punishment on multiple prisoners", so maybe a supermaxx like Tamms would be better for these terrorists??

    You must have some good roommate stories ...
    yeah he was a 'roid freak with a short fuse...i could completely picture him doing the things they accused him of in the papers...he told me one time a prisoner spit on him, so he went and got his guard friends and did a "cell extraction" where they maced the guy and beat him with the batons and riot shields...he said all cell extractions were taped with handheld video cameras and they were told to shake the camera so that the image quality was bad and indecipherable....horrible places those supermaxxes are...
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    ajedigecko wrote:
    an acquaintance shared their fear with me. they are afraid that their "terrorist homies" will make an attempt to free them from a non military institution.

    maybe they will.....maybe they will not, regardless, it was a point of view that i had not even considered.
    ...
    Tell your friend that these guys are not al Qaeda Delta Forces... there is no such thing as al Qaeda Delta Forces... in fact, the al Qaeda Delta Forces strap explosives to their balls.
    And these maximum security prisons can keep high level gang bangers from trying to spring them... they are pretty secure facilities.
    As for the worst of the worst... like that Sheik that looks like John Belushi... put him with the worst of the worst our American prisoners at Pelican Bay. Bunking with neo-Nazi psychos and Crip Cop Killers... That'll make Camp Delta look like a YMCA Summer Camp to him.
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  • unsungunsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    I think it is funny some of you bleeding hearts have sympathy for these people. These people would slice your head off without a second thought but you complain if they get their meals at 12:05 instead of 12:00.
  • SmellymanSmellyman Asia Posts: 4,524
    unsung wrote:
    I think it is funny some of you bleeding hearts have sympathy for these people. These people would slice your head off without a second thought but you complain if they get their meals at 12:05 instead of 12:00.

    what people? who is in there?
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    unsung wrote:
    I think it is funny some of you bleeding hearts have sympathy for these people. These people would slice your head off without a second thought but you complain if they get their meals at 12:05 instead of 12:00.
    ...
    Who is 'showing sympathy' for them?
    And there are killers in our prisions that would plunge a phillips screwdriver in your ear, just to see what would happen... then, eat you as their meal at 12:05 instead of 12:00.
    So... what is your point?
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  • ajedigeckoajedigecko \m/deplorable af \m/ Posts: 2,430
    to elaborate more on the concern shared by the individual who is concerned........he made a valid point that being put into our prison system is a strategy being persued by the terrorist and it is a strategy that will take time to implement. he has explained to me that one of their main goals is to use our justice system against us.

    i know for a fact about them wanting to use our justice system against us.

    i take him for his word.
    live and let live...unless it violates the pearligious doctrine.
  • acrossssSsssshitttacrossssSsssshittt Posts: 1,014
    it seems sad that everyone here is talkin about these "criminals", whether the gangbangers, or the neo-nazis, or the terrorists, or the cannibals, as if they're all subhuman creatures and deserve to remain in the shit that they're wallowing in ... i mean maybe I digress... but fuckin hell... look at the world order and our god for saken systems... and here believe me, i ain't just referring to 1st world, western systems either.... i'm thinkin equally about say the prisoners in Pakistan and the system ere etc... i just find it really difficult to lose sight of the big picture, and to not consider the fuckin circumstances that thrown people is such hellish situations...

    I'm sorry but some of the posts here just sound so cold and numb, it's sad...

    again, i guess I'm slightly off the topic here, but i had to say this...
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    unsung wrote:
    I think it is funny some of you bleeding hearts have sympathy for these people. These people would slice your head off without a second thought but you complain if they get their meals at 12:05 instead of 12:00.
    your superdramatic presumptions are funny...nobody is complaining about meals. it is due process and all criminals under our founding documents are entitled to it....surprised you are not complaining about wasted tax payer dollars going to keep them locked up instead of going to trial and either incarcerating them or letting them go...

    the question in this thread is if gitmo is still open and the answer is yes and people tried to explain why it is...
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • rebornFixerrebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    Cosmo wrote:
    Tell your friend that these guys are not al Qaeda Delta Forces... there is no such thing as al Qaeda Delta Forces... in fact, the al Qaeda Delta Forces strap explosives to their balls.

    :lol:
  • acrossssSsssshitttacrossssSsssshittt Posts: 1,014
    Ajedigecko...

    to your private message, i thought I'd bring it on the main page, no harm in that... I'm sure serving in the army, you've seen a lot of things, but I should hope that in so doing you've also realized that in invading foreign countries you ain;t exactly "liberating" anyone either ... it's all war and killing at the end of the day...

    with respect to Islamic rebellion, US foreign policy since the 70's is exactly what caused people to get pissed in this part of the world, so no shit, the US has to pay the price for that. The acts that the US forces have committed in all parts ofthe world that they've invaded aren't exactly "compassionate" either so...
  • inmytreeinmytree Posts: 4,741
    unsung wrote:
    I think it is funny some of you bleeding hearts have sympathy for these people. These people would slice your head off without a second thought but you complain if they get their meals at 12:05 instead of 12:00.

    great point...

    I hate it when my lunch is late...noon means noon, damn it...
  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,158
    I guess the answer to the question this thread posed is a capital NO.

    http://blog.nj.com/njv_editorial_page/2011/04/the_only_decision_holder_could.html

    It doesn't surprise me as the political fallout would have killed those that supported civilian trials. If O.J. could be found innocent, just imagine how ten years of being held in purgatory could be used by a defense lawyer to get someone off on a technicality.
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  • cajunkiwicajunkiwi Posts: 984
    unsung wrote:
    I think it is funny some of you bleeding hearts have sympathy for these people. These people would slice your head off without a second thought but you complain if they get their meals at 12:05 instead of 12:00.

    Pretty sure asking for the law to be followed isn't the same as sympathizing with criminals. Though it's not the first time you've made that claim on this board, so I don't expect it to sink in this time either.
    And I listen for the voice inside my head... nothing. I'll do this one myself.
  • puremagicpuremagic Posts: 1,907
    unsung wrote:
    Just checking if this is still in the works since the order was signed Jan 22 2009. That one year sure went by fast, tick tock tick tock.



    If you asked the question, then you must surely know the 'real' answer. Its not President Obama's fault that Gitmo is still open. The 2009/2010 Republican controlled Senate with the help of Democrat crossover votes inserted a provision in the Defense Department's appropriations NOT TO FUND the closing of Gitmo. Bottom line is they are afraid of having the American public sentence these detainees to death on US soil because of retaliations. Yet, ADX currently houses suspected terrorists.

    http://hotair.com/archives/2009/10/05/c ... s-in-2010/


    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/05/2 ... 05797.html
    SIN EATERS--We take the moral excrement we find in this equation and we bury it down deep inside of us so that the rest of our case can stay pure. That is the job. We are morally indefensible and absolutely necessary.
  • puremagicpuremagic Posts: 1,907
    unsung wrote:
    I think it is funny some of you bleeding hearts have sympathy for these people. These people would slice your head off without a second thought but you complain if they get their meals at 12:05 instead of 12:00.




    There's no bleeding hearts, maybe some pissed off American citizens who had to forefeet their civil liberties because our politicians talk tough when it comes to sending US soldiers into battle, yet they're candy-asses are too afraid to be in the same courtroom as these fucks. They're willing to let them rot in Gitmo because they are too afraid to sentence these facks to death face-to-face, so they again hid behind our military to do their dirty work.
    SIN EATERS--We take the moral excrement we find in this equation and we bury it down deep inside of us so that the rest of our case can stay pure. That is the job. We are morally indefensible and absolutely necessary.
  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    Our troops are still overseas fighting and we don't here "Get 'em home NOW" every 5 minutes like we used to, either.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
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