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the IDF likes to help save lives

ogre1213ogre1213 Posts: 401
edited January 2010 in A Moving Train
even though they have no obligation to

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340 ... 02,00.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANrGB2GBtzQ
(if you cant watch the whole thing watch the last few mins)

http://dover.idf.il/IDF/English/Press+R ... 1/2001.htm

so, the real question is.. would you accept help if Israel came to help YOU in the event of a natural disaster?!?!
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  • fuckfuck Posts: 4,069
    unless those lives are Palestinian in which case they would rather you be dead.

    I mean come on, who are you kidding? this is the same army that has just been found by the United Nations to be guilty of war crimes and crimes against humanity during the Gaza massacre. Is 1 year ago really too long to remember?
  • yosiyosi NYC Posts: 3,074
    _outlaw wrote:
    unless those lives are Palestinian in which case they would rather you be dead.

    I mean come on, who are you kidding? this is the same army that has just been found by the United Nations to be guilty of war crimes and crimes against humanity during the Gaza massacre. Is 1 year ago really too long to remember?

    Why can't you just say that despite everything else Israel is doing a great thing in Haiti. That is an absolute fact, and we should all be praising them for it. And by the way Palestinians regularly receive treatment in Israeli hospitals, which, you know, function according the the Hippocratic oath. Israeli hospitals have even treated Palestinian terrorists, which is weird cause according to you Israel Israel would rather that Palestinians be dead.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/31/world ... ner&st=cse
    you couldn't swing if you were hangin' from a palm tree in a hurricane

  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    yosi wrote:
    Why can't you just say that despite everything else Israel is doing a great thing in Haiti. That is an absolute fact, and we should all be praising them for it. And by the way Palestinians regularly receive treatment in Israeli hospitals, which, you know, function according the the Hippocratic oath. Israeli hospitals have even treated Palestinian terrorists, which is weird cause according to you Israel Israel would rather that Palestinians be dead.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/31/world ... ner&st=cse

    that is absolutely irrelevant - is anyone saying anyone who is israeli is a horrible person? ... are we to consider hugo chavez a hero for wiping out debt to haiti?

    the current treatment of palestinians by israel is a crime against humanity - you can post as many pictures of idf soldiers holding babies as you see fit but that will not change
  • yosiyosi NYC Posts: 3,074
    polaris_x wrote:
    yosi wrote:
    Why can't you just say that despite everything else Israel is doing a great thing in Haiti. That is an absolute fact, and we should all be praising them for it. And by the way Palestinians regularly receive treatment in Israeli hospitals, which, you know, function according the the Hippocratic oath. Israeli hospitals have even treated Palestinian terrorists, which is weird cause according to you Israel Israel would rather that Palestinians be dead.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/31/world ... ner&st=cse

    that is absolutely irrelevant - is anyone saying anyone who is israeli is a horrible person? ... are we to consider hugo chavez a hero for wiping out debt to haiti?

    the current treatment of palestinians by israel is a crime against humanity - you can post as many pictures of idf soldiers holding babies as you see fit but that will not change

    Well if the current treatment of the Palestinians includes saving their lives in Israel's hospitals then you have a strange idea of what constitutes a crime against humanity. The situation is so much more complex than you allow for. I'm sorry you don't see that, or don't want to.
    you couldn't swing if you were hangin' from a palm tree in a hurricane

  • fuckfuck Posts: 4,069
    yosi wrote:
    polaris_x wrote:
    yosi wrote:
    Why can't you just say that despite everything else Israel is doing a great thing in Haiti. That is an absolute fact, and we should all be praising them for it. And by the way Palestinians regularly receive treatment in Israeli hospitals, which, you know, function according the the Hippocratic oath. Israeli hospitals have even treated Palestinian terrorists, which is weird cause according to you Israel Israel would rather that Palestinians be dead.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/31/world ... ner&st=cse

    that is absolutely irrelevant - is anyone saying anyone who is israeli is a horrible person? ... are we to consider hugo chavez a hero for wiping out debt to haiti?

    the current treatment of palestinians by israel is a crime against humanity - you can post as many pictures of idf soldiers holding babies as you see fit but that will not change

    Well if the current treatment of the Palestinians includes saving their lives in Israel's hospitals then you have a strange idea of what constitutes a crime against humanity. The situation is so much more complex than you allow for. I'm sorry you don't see that, or don't want to.
    why don't you look up the statistic of how many Palestinians died in Gaza due to the IDF refusing to let them go to any hospitals?

    actually, I will.

    as of Dec 16, 2009, 366 Palestinians in Gaza have been killed due to the siege. 1 such example: http://imemc.org/index.php?obj_id=53&story_id=57386
  • rebornFixerrebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    polaris_x wrote:
    the current treatment of palestinians by israel is a crime against humanity - you can post as many pictures of idf soldiers holding babies as you see fit but that will not change

    Agree 100% ... I'd also add that folks can post as many videos of IDF soldiers punching old women as they see fit but that will not change the good work the IDF is currently doing in Haiti.

    Moral: The world is not a black-and-white place.
  • TriumphantAngelTriumphantAngel Posts: 1,760
    ogre1213 wrote:
    so, the real question is.. would you accept help if Israel came to help YOU in the event of a natural disaster?!?!
    I'd probably be a little more gracious receiving their help than what the Levinson family was, whose daughter received one of Ahmed Chatib's kidneys after he was murdered by Israeli Soldiers.

    viewtopic.php?f=13&t=119319
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    yosi wrote:
    Well if the current treatment of the Palestinians includes saving their lives in Israel's hospitals then you have a strange idea of what constitutes a crime against humanity. The situation is so much more complex than you allow for. I'm sorry you don't see that, or don't want to.

    again - your response is simply a diversion ... it's like saying hey that serial rapist volunteered at the food bank ... it's absolutely irrelevant ...

    what is happening over there is not just about the IDF - it is Israel policy ... you cannot nor have you tried to defend their day to day policy actions ... and there is a good reason for that - because it is simply indefensible ... the situation is indeed very complex however how can you justify the daily humiliation israel commits against palestinians? ... you can't ... everything else is subtext ...
  • yosiyosi NYC Posts: 3,074
    polaris_x wrote:
    yosi wrote:
    Well if the current treatment of the Palestinians includes saving their lives in Israel's hospitals then you have a strange idea of what constitutes a crime against humanity. The situation is so much more complex than you allow for. I'm sorry you don't see that, or don't want to.

    again - your response is simply a diversion ... it's like saying hey that serial rapist volunteered at the food bank ... it's absolutely irrelevant ...

    what is happening over there is not just about the IDF - it is Israel policy ... you cannot nor have you tried to defend their day to day policy actions ... and there is a good reason for that - because it is simply indefensible ... the situation is indeed very complex however how can you justify the daily humiliation israel commits against palestinians? ... you can't ... everything else is subtext ...

    I'm tired of repeating myself so I'll simply suggest that you go back through the 3 or 4 most recent Israel related threads and read what I have had to say carefully. You will find that I do not in fact support all of Israel's policies, but unfortunately it would appear that anyone on this board who does not view Israel as some holy monster intent on murdering the innocent lamb-like Palestinians is assumed to basically be a supporter of everything Israel does, no matter how many times they make it clear that that is simply not true.
    you couldn't swing if you were hangin' from a palm tree in a hurricane

  • he still standshe still stands Posts: 2,835
    The blatant use of propaganda probably won't sway many who take a serious look at the situation.
    Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.
  • TriumphantAngelTriumphantAngel Posts: 1,760
    _outlaw wrote:
    yosi wrote:
    Well if the current treatment of the Palestinians includes saving their lives in Israel's hospitals then you have a strange idea of what constitutes a crime against humanity. The situation is so much more complex than you allow for. I'm sorry you don't see that, or don't want to.
    why don't you look up the statistic of how many Palestinians died in Gaza due to the IDF refusing to let them go to any hospitals?

    actually, I will.

    as of Dec 16, 2009, 366 Palestinians in Gaza have been killed due to the siege. 1 such example: http://imemc.org/index.php?obj_id=53&story_id=57386
    how different it is being a paramedic in the US. we have standard call times that we are expected to adhere to, and if we don't, patients lives are at risk and the shit hits the fan. which of course is to be expected. human life is valuable. unless you're Palestinian and imprisoned in Gaza of course.

    in Gaza, the medics have to coordinate with Israel via the ICRC. some wounded people or sick people simply die while waiting for an ambulance that can take hours to come. Israel goes out of their way to make access difficult.

    how fucked up is this.

    the occupier (Israel of course) denies permission for the Palestinians to leave.
    the occupier invades.
    the invader kills and injures.

    and the irony?

    the occupier holds the power to grant permission to retrieve those that the invader has injured or killed.

    oh, but let's give israel a pat on the back for their work in Haiti. it's a pity they are not as gracious to the Palestinians.

    that's like telling a mass murderer he's awesome because he helps a little old lady cross the road and saves her from being hit by a car. pat him on the back then send him off to murder some more people.

    you tell me that's not fucked up?
  • redrockredrock Posts: 18,341
    Whereas any help in Haiti is to be commended, patting one's self on the back for it, a 'look at me, look what I did' attitude and using this aid as propaganda/justification is wrong and negates the whole idea of aid. Whoever does it.
  • flywallyflyflywallyfly Posts: 1,453
    They are probably searching the dead for usable organs to harvest.
  • Pepe SilviaPepe Silvia Posts: 3,758
    while it's touching that in their spare time from killing Palestinians, uprooting their grooves that existed for generations, demolishing their homes to expand their illegal settlements and murdering journalists (then giving that soldier a promotion afterwards and changing their story 1/2 a dozen times while fighting to pay any money to his widow and 2 kids) they are helping in Haiti this has nothing to do with how they act at home.
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