Radiohead is the band every other band wants to be
musicismylife78
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I have hinted at this in other threads and posts, but I want to sort of cement this. I would argue, that Radiohead is one of those bands that if you are in a rock band right now, this is the band you admire and emulate. I would argue Radiohead have most likely been the band that has pushed the musical envelope and the art form the farthest in the last 10 years or so.
I would argue that Radiohead has created the most challenging and experimental and musically rich and textured music of any bands in the current scene.
They have pushed the art form in ways that are mindblowing, and have forced listeners to reevaluate what a song even is.
In a fragmented music world, where alot of music scenes are niches, I would argue that Radiohead are the biggest band in the world, while that meant very different things 10 years ago, that mantle and that honor I think still belongs to radiohead.
While there certainly is alot of music we all are waiting for with baited breath, Arcade Fire's 3rd album, Bright Eyes's final record, whatever Trent Reznor does next, The national, Joanna Newsoms forthcoming triple album etc...
without a doubt, all eyes, including the bands i just mentioned are awaiting the next epistle that Thom and the guys create. Radioheads LP 8 is the most anticipated musical release.
I would argue that Radiohead has created the most challenging and experimental and musically rich and textured music of any bands in the current scene.
They have pushed the art form in ways that are mindblowing, and have forced listeners to reevaluate what a song even is.
In a fragmented music world, where alot of music scenes are niches, I would argue that Radiohead are the biggest band in the world, while that meant very different things 10 years ago, that mantle and that honor I think still belongs to radiohead.
While there certainly is alot of music we all are waiting for with baited breath, Arcade Fire's 3rd album, Bright Eyes's final record, whatever Trent Reznor does next, The national, Joanna Newsoms forthcoming triple album etc...
without a doubt, all eyes, including the bands i just mentioned are awaiting the next epistle that Thom and the guys create. Radioheads LP 8 is the most anticipated musical release.
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Depending on what you're trying to say, I agree with you, or slightly deviate from your viewpoint. The music Radiohead creates is not what artists strive to create, in my opinion, rather the deviation from the norm, which Radiohead is so damn great at doing, is what most bands seem to be trying to produce. What I'm trying to say (pardon me, I'm a bit tipsy), is that Radiohead's 'thinking out of the box' is what artists are trying to replicate, rather than Radiohead's actual style, or genre. If what you're trying to say is what I'm trying to say, then we're on the exact same page, and I think I do agree with you. Hell, as a guitarist, if I could one day be a part of a project which could reinvent music (or simply make people think differently about what it should be), it would be a dream come true.
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frankly, this is patently ridiculous. I assume you are talking about In Rainbows and the pay what you will thing, but the bands that have taken radioheads lead are basically critical darlings, bloc party, raconteurs, nine inch nails. To take that one step further, you are suggesting bands like those i just mentioned, are sacrificing quality, in order to focus on marketing. Again, this is absurd. To say these bands are nickpickers and perfectionists is accurate.
Additionally, the pay what you will marketing scheme, was genius, it also was a natural extension of living in the modern world. The facts exists, that most people, hundreds of millions of people worldwide download, and that cd sales are down year after year. Whether radiohead did the pay what you will scheme or not, these facts would have existed.
Its like you are in this vacuum, mooky. People on this board dont really get it. I got into heated fights with people, maybe even you, prior to the release of backspacer because I felt that PJ were idiots for not going for more new and state of the art marketing schemes. The reality of the situation with filesharing is self evident. People dont get music the same way they used to, people dont save up their allowance and then go to the local cd shop and buy a cd. people just dont do that by and large. They fileshare or they buy it legally off itunes. Most people dont really even have cd's anymore, they just listen to stuff on their computer, 20,000 or whatever songs, all stored on computer.
And anyone who is halfway intelligent on music issues and buisness can comprehend that if you are in a band right now, on a major, or an indie, or not on a label at all and just wanting to be signed, the big issue right now is, how do you get back the money you used to make when 5 million people would by a cd? How do you market a cd and album in a world, that I just pointed out, will either steal your record, or will buy it on itunes thus the artwork and liner notes are useless. How about the fact that alot of people just buy the big hit songs off the record, or they buy the whole record off itunes, save the songs they like, then move the songs they hate to the trash bin? How do you sell cd's and music in a world thats increasingly digital? In a world where radio is no longer a viable means to sell a product? In a world where Spin and Rolling Stone, no longer carry weight, but online sites like Pitchfork are the standard?
additionally, your comment suggests that bands only worship radiohead for their in rainbows thing. People loved them prior to October 2007, mooky, and they will love them whenever LP 8 drops.
Clarifying: I'm sure more people will be waiting on the next American Idol compilation or "now" compilation, but I don't consider them real "music" fans.
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I really like Pink Floyd, but what they started was perfected with Radiohead, IMO
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Get real. Radiohead is up in the convo with the greats, but as you said.......Without Floyd, no Radiohead.
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You sound like a music critic who is mystified by the process of making music when you deify a musician.
You can admire music and the people who make it, but when you claim that anyone is the end-all, be-all, unmatchable, blah-di-blah-blah, you just sound like someone watching a rocket take off who has no idea how the scientists built it.
Agreed.
And there are fuckin' shit loads of artists pushing the envelope and redefining 'what a song is' a lot more then Radiohead.
Radiohead are a great band but to say everyone wants to be like them is stupid and childish. :roll:
A great band, but extremely overrated and people need to realize they aren't the second coming. There are a great number of bands from the last decade that I'd rather be if I could choose to be part of a band. I think Arcade Fire, Wilco, White Stripes, Gaslight Anthem, Gorillaz and My Morning Jacket are just as, if not more, talented and much, much more enjoyable to listen to.
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+1 to both of you.
and their fans are a bunch of pricks too.
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These statements are by far the most intelligent and sensible of this thread so far.
Most Radiohead fans need to get over it already.
1st - no they wouldn't and 2nd if it wasnt Kurt it would have been someone else. More people don't care about Nirvana then people who do and the same goes for any band, movie or pieces of art. If Nirvana didn't take the 'popular' music scene away from Guns n Roses ect then someone else would have done.
I'm not really sure where your post is supposed to be heading but the sun doesn't shine out of Radiohead's arse and the majority of music listeners prob don't care about them. Music is far too vast for one band no matter how popular they are.
-i wouldn't really call their music psychedelic
-what psychedelic-ish songs they do have there is no way they are better than pink floyd, i wouldn't even put radiohead in the top 5 for this type of music
-while i love hail to the thief and in rainbows and all the layers i think the flaming lips have been a little bit better their last couple albums.
on a side note to the last 1 i think the flaming lips and radiohead influence each other a lot
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so, yes, radiohead has made some great artistic statements, but, in general, they are part of the overall trend leading to the death of rock.
+1.
and to evacuation rules...you are one of the reasons why i will never affiliated myself with being a radiohead fan because all the hardcore radiohead fans out there are pricks and believe that radiohead is the only band that has ever done anything near revolutionary in the field of music and is the only band that matters for the salvation of music.
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Beavis: Heh heh. Oh yeah. Yeah! Get those spoons out of my face before I shove them up your butt!
Butthead: Huh huh.
That was me calling them psychedelic. I guess I was referring to the sound of their music. Possibly atmospheric is a better word. And the lyrics are as far from clear as possible, which adds to the psychedelic/ atmospheric quailty of the music. A more normal pop song is a break in radiohead albums. In this way, they are very similar to Pink Floyd, but are better at it IMO. We might have different ideas of psychedelia in minds.
About the "overrated" "prick fans" things. I know there are a lot of RH fans out there. And a lot of people who are convinced they are the best band around. I've never been around many RH fans, they're certainly not mainstream like some of the other bands people compared them to here, so I have no idea about "prick" fans. But I can totally see how people consider them the best band ever. I only listen to them when I'm in that certain "mood", and when I'm in that mood... absolutely I believe they are the best. Hell, once I read that David Bowie felt the same way about them.
Then again, when I'm in a PJ or SG mood, which is more common for me, I'm convinced that they are the best ever. I think its very possible that I'm right on all accounts.
you are barking mad if your sitting here and telling me thom yorke isnt one of the premier songwriters of our generation.
The beeps and whistles are a genius part of the band. The band is one of the most anticapitalist/anticivilization/antitechnoligical bands that has ever existed, and whats brilliant is they do this, they speak those sentiments through the use of technological inhanced music, or music that in many ways, especially in the case of The Eraser, is made on Protools.
Or it could be that Radiohead doesn't move some people the same way they do you. I respect the hell out of Radiohead, but I cannot listen to an album of theirs in its entirety. It just doesn't capture me. I sometimes feel like I should "get" them more than I do, but at this point I've just come to terms with the fact that they are not the band for me. I know they are great songwriters and have a great sense of creativity (innovation not being the right word), and I certainly enjoy a few songs here and there, but they're not in my top tier, or even the next tier.
People who think Radiohead are vastly innovative need to look back at the bands that influenced them. Radiohead may combine rock/electronica/ambient/etc styles very effectively, but they stand on a very large foundation of their influences. I don't hear much "new" stuff coming from them.
musicismylife78: You're a very opinionated guy, which I respect, but you need to lighten up a bit when you get into (or start) threads like this.
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