THE PHILADELPHIA EAGLES...

The Waiting Trophy Man

Interesting game tonight. Glad to see the Cowboys win, since the Eagles are done already anyway. Should be a great race between Dallas, Washington and the New York Giants.

Not sure why Vick would start next week with the way Foles played tonight.

The Juggler

jim washburn fired. i wonder who they will fire next week? :think:



good article on fole's improved play last night. gotta like what you saw of the kid:

http://www.phillymag.com/eagles/2012/12 ... ows-signs/

pjhawks

The Juggler wrote:

jim washburn fired. i wonder who they will fire next week? :think:



good article on fole's improved play last night. gotta like what you saw of the kid:

http://www.phillymag.com/eagles/2012/12 ... ows-signs/

andy to dallas?

http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2 ... d%3D240607

that would be dandy.

allen and coleman are the funniest duo since abbott and costello. same initials...coincidence?

todd bowles up and coming coach....yea not so much

4 non-offensive touchdowns in 2 games for the cowboys against the birds this year. hard to do

i've never seen a defense that doesn't come close to getting a turnover like this eagles team. it's mind boggling.

reason 900,000 not to bet on nfl games. last spread i saw was dallas 10.5. dallas by 11 until one of the worst return teams in the nfl returns a kick 99 yards for a touchdown and the cover. love it.

eagles still passed the ball 57% of the time last night. don't be fooled by media perception vs. what is reality

The Juggler

reason number 999,001 why you should actually watch the game instead of looking at a box score.

the eagles ran the ball 50% of the game leading up to the final 2 drives when they were forced to pass more.

loved the game plan tonight. and was encouraged by foles' play.

pjhawks

The Juggler wrote:

reason number 999,001 why you should actually watch the game instead of looking at a box score.

the eagles ran the ball 50% of the game leading up to the final 2 drives when they were forced to pass more.

hey if you are going to use 'they are 19-1 when mccoy runs the ball 20 times' overlooking the fact that a good portion of those runs come at the end of the game protecting the lead you can't complain now about me using the final stats. you are using the final stats in those cases (see cause and affect argument a few weeks ago) for your argument but not in this case. you can't have it both ways juggler.

edit: sorry i just find it amazing how obsessed the media is with andy's run-pass ratio. front page of the Inquirer sports talks about it again. shouldn't they be more focused on the fact that for the 1st time in franchise history the defense has given up 28 or more points in 7 (or 8, sorry it was late when i heard the stat) straight games. historically bad defense here.

The Juggler

pjhawks wrote:

The Juggler wrote:

reason number 999,001 why you should actually watch the game instead of looking at a box score.

the eagles ran the ball 50% of the game leading up to the final 2 drives when they were forced to pass more.

hey if you are going to use 'they are 19-1 when mccoy runs the ball 20 times' overlooking the fact that a good portion of those runs come at the end of the game protecting the lead you can't complain now about me using the final stats. you are using the final stats in those cases (see cause and affect argument a few weeks ago) for your argument but not in this case. you can't have it both ways juggler.

you never make sense. in each of the games mccoy has rushed for over 20 times this year, the eagles won by a total of 3 points...meaning no, a good portion did not only come at the end. they ran consistently throughout...like the did last night and last week. go back and check the box scores since that is all you do.

running the ball at a 50% clip has clearly kept them in these past 2 games too, despite being way out manned. throwing it a crazy amount got them blown out of games for a solid 4-5 week stretch.

either way, they finished 57% passing despite all the passing at the end. 34 passes/26 runs. i'll take that. that will always give this team the best chance to win...just criminal he rarely does that with his star running back.

pjhawks

The Juggler wrote:

pjhawks wrote:

The Juggler wrote:

reason number 999,001 why you should actually watch the game instead of looking at a box score.

the eagles ran the ball 50% of the game leading up to the final 2 drives when they were forced to pass more.

hey if you are going to use 'they are 19-1 when mccoy runs the ball 20 times' overlooking the fact that a good portion of those runs come at the end of the game protecting the lead you can't complain now about me using the final stats. you are using the final stats in those cases (see cause and affect argument a few weeks ago) for your argument but not in this case. you can't have it both ways juggler.

you never make sense. in each of the games mccoy has rushed for over 20 times this year, the eagles won by a total of 3 points...meaning no, a good portion did not only come at the end. they ran consistently throughout...like the did last night and last week. go back and check the box scores since that is all you do.

running the ball at a 50% clip has clearly kept them in these past 2 games too, despite being way out manned. throwing it a crazy amount got them blown out of games for a solid 4-5 week stretch.

either way, they finished 57% passing despite all the passing at the end. 34 passes/26 runs. i'll take that. that will always give this team the best chance to win...just criminal he rarely does that with his star running back.

one could make the argument the 3 fumbles have cost the team the 2 wins as well. disasterous plays.

The Juggler

yeah those 3 fumbles were awful. but it's a byproduct of this guy running more than he has since high school. bryce brown is a great fucking story.

domo had a good article about how a brown/mccoy backfield could make the transition to a new regime a little easier next year for a coach who will play to his team strength's.

pjhawks

The Juggler wrote:

yeah those 3 fumbles were awful. but it's a byproduct of this guy running more than he has since high school. bryce brown is a great fucking story.

domo had a good article about how a brown/mccoy backfield could make the transition to a new regime a little easier next year for a coach who will play to his team strength's.

i don't find a guy who has quit on 3 teams a great story. it's nice the eagles found him from a pile of trash but 2 games does not make an nfl career. like a cheater is always a cheater a quitter is always a quitter. we will see what kind of sunstainability this guy has.

The Juggler

pjhawks wrote:

The Juggler wrote:

yeah those 3 fumbles were awful. but it's a byproduct of this guy running more than he has since high school. bryce brown is a great fucking story.

domo had a good article about how a brown/mccoy backfield could make the transition to a new regime a little easier next year for a coach who will play to his team strength's.

i don't find a guy who has quit on 3 teams a great story. it's nice the eagles found him from a pile of trash but 2 games does not make an nfl career. like a cheater is always a cheater a quitter is always a quitter. we will see what kind of sunstainability this guy has.

i always will give andy credit where credit is due. helluva find in the 7th round here. low risk, very high reward.

rarely do 7th rounders contribute much more than some tackles on special teams, if they even make the team. this kid came a few yards from breaking a franchise record.

The Juggler

pjhawks wrote:

The Juggler wrote:

reason number 999,001 why you should actually watch the game instead of looking at a box score.

the eagles ran the ball 50% of the game leading up to the final 2 drives when they were forced to pass more.

edit: sorry i just find it amazing how obsessed the media is with andy's run-pass ratio. front page of the Inquirer sports talks about it again. shouldn't they be more focused on the fact that for the 1st time in franchise history the defense has given up 28 or more points in 7 (or 8, sorry it was late when i heard the stat) straight games. historically bad defense here.

just noticed your edit. see, in football, everything goes hand in hand. when your defense is awful, you want to try and help them out as much as possible. you do that by running the ball consistently like they have these last 2 weeks. prior that they were getting blown out on a weekly basis. last 2 weeks they had a chance to win late in the game....but they didn't....because ultimately the eagles stink.

but this is a basic premise that most football fans understand...it also clearly helps a rookie qb and a banged up offensive line.

good game plan last night.

a renewed commitment to the run also helped the cowboys last night with murray back on the field. collinsworth talked about that all night.

pjhawks

The Juggler wrote:

pjhawks wrote:

The Juggler wrote:

reason number 999,001 why you should actually watch the game instead of looking at a box score.

the eagles ran the ball 50% of the game leading up to the final 2 drives when they were forced to pass more.

edit: sorry i just find it amazing how obsessed the media is with andy's run-pass ratio. front page of the Inquirer sports talks about it again. shouldn't they be more focused on the fact that for the 1st time in franchise history the defense has given up 28 or more points in 7 (or 8, sorry it was late when i heard the stat) straight games. historically bad defense here.

just noticed your edit. see, in football, everything goes hand in hand. when your defense is awful, you want to try and help them out as much as possible. you do that by running the ball consistently like they have these last 2 weeks. prior that they were getting blown out on a weekly basis. last 2 weeks they had a chance to win late in the game....but they didn't....because ultimately the eagles stink.

but this is a basic premise that most football fans understand...it also clearly helps a rookie qb and a banged up offensive line.

good game plan last night.

a renewed commitment to the run also helped the cowboys last night with murray back on the field. collinsworth talked about that all night.

never argued that with THIS team as it is currently constructed that running the ball consistently is a bad plan. i'm fine with it....but still hasn't produced any wins.

The Juggler

pjhawks wrote:

The Juggler wrote:

pjhawks wrote:

just noticed your edit. see, in football, everything goes hand in hand. when your defense is awful, you want to try and help them out as much as possible. you do that by running the ball consistently like they have these last 2 weeks. prior that they were getting blown out on a weekly basis. last 2 weeks they had a chance to win late in the game....but they didn't....because ultimately the eagles stink.

but this is a basic premise that most football fans understand...it also clearly helps a rookie qb and a banged up offensive line.

good game plan last night.

a renewed commitment to the run also helped the cowboys last night with murray back on the field. collinsworth talked about that all night.

never argued that with THIS team as it is currently constructed that running the ball consistently is a bad plan. i'm fine with it....but still hasn't produced any wins.

umm, it produced all of their 3 wins...which were the only times they were committed to the run when their star rb was healthy.

and you have argued this for years with this team. last year, with vick struggling and shady breaking out, you wanted to throw it 80% of the time.

seems like you are coming around though...i think.

pjhawks

The Juggler wrote:

and you have argued this for years with this team. last year, with vick struggling and shady breaking out, you wanted to throw it 80% of the time.

seems like you are coming around though...i think.

my argument has always been if you have a good QB and receivers with an offensive line that can consistently protect the QB a pass is almost always a better play. and in previous years we've had that. now we don't.

The Juggler

pjhawks wrote:

The Juggler wrote:

and you have argued this for years with this team. last year, with vick struggling and shady breaking out, you wanted to throw it 80% of the time.

seems like you are coming around though...i think.

my argument has always been if you have a good QB and receivers with an offensive line that can consistently protect the QB a pass is almost always a better play. and in previous years we've had that. now we don't.

you said this about last year's eagles team. 80% of the time . it's right here in this thread.


and again, it has produced their only 3 wins of this season.

pjhawks

Here is a coaching question i have:

why do NFL coaches always accept offensive holding penalties? Last night in the 3rd quarter the Cowboys held on a 2nd and 10 running play from about their own 25 that they gained maybe a yard. so your choice were 3rd and 9 or 2nd and 19. coaches always accept the 2nd and 19 but wasn't the better play there making them go 3rd and 9? the cowboys proceeded to hit Whitton for about 16 yards on 2nd down making it 3rd and 3. and it happens all the time. no one declines offensive holding penalties. i thought at the time that penalty should have been declined leaving them 3rd and 9.

The Juggler

you also endorsed it a couple weeks ago, with this team.

The Juggler

pjhawks wrote:

Here is a coaching question i have:

why do NFL coaches always accept offensive holding penalties? Last night in the 3rd quarter the Cowboys held on a 2nd and 10 running play from about their own 25 that they gained maybe a yard. so your choice were 3rd and 9 or 2nd and 19. coaches always accept the 2nd and 19 but wasn't the better play there making them go 3rd and 9? the cowboys proceeded to hit Whitton for about 16 yards on 2nd down making it 3rd and 3. and it happens all the time. no one declines offensive holding penalties. i thought at the time that penalty should have been declined leaving them 3rd and 9.

i'd say the percentages of them converting a first down with 2 tries from 19 yards out is slightly more difficult than one try for 9 yards out.

plus if your defense can come up with a stop, you put yourself in better field position which makes it easier to score.

pjhawks

The Juggler wrote:

you said this about last year's eagles team. 80% of the time . it's right here in this thread.


and again, it has produced their only 3 wins of this season.

wow banging your chest on 3 wins. fans got their wish though. i'll take 2004 when we threw the ball over the field thank you very much.

pjhawks

The Juggler wrote:

pjhawks wrote:

Here is a coaching question i have:

why do NFL coaches always accept offensive holding penalties? Last night in the 3rd quarter the Cowboys held on a 2nd and 10 running play from about their own 25 that they gained maybe a yard. so your choice were 3rd and 9 or 2nd and 19. coaches always accept the 2nd and 19 but wasn't the better play there making them go 3rd and 9? the cowboys proceeded to hit Whitton for about 16 yards on 2nd down making it 3rd and 3. and it happens all the time. no one declines offensive holding penalties. i thought at the time that penalty should have been declined leaving them 3rd and 9.

i'd say the percentages of them converting a first down with 2 tries from 19 yards out is slightly more difficult than one try for 9 yards out.

plus if your defense can come up with a stop, you put yourself in better field position which makes it easier to score.

but the cowboys were one of the worst 3rd down teams in the league. and romo was in the bottom 3 or 4 in passer rating on 3rd down coming into the game. i don't know, i think in THAT situation one play at 3rd and 9 is better for the eagles than 2 plays. and defensive teams get so passive on 2nd and 19 that it seems like at best it always end up back to the original 3rd down yardage anyway.