Shinedown

mr.pink

Has to be the best "rock" band I've heard come to radio in years and years. The band is pretty rockin, but the singer is just amazing to my ears. Any love for Shinedown???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGt-8adyabk

Sometimes the lyrics are more intelligent than others, but they're never dumb enough to be distracting from that heavenly voice. I really can't think of a better rock singer in the past 10 plus years.

P.S. - I listen to the radio and find that discovering anything even half-assed in "indie" like finding a needle in a haystack, so save it.

matt_baker

You know, I started listening to these guys the other day because they're playing the soundwave festivals in Australia next month. Totally dig them, they rock out quite well. Have you heard the band 10 years? They've released a few albums now, reckon you'd like them too

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciuca4d2Ttg

mr.pink

matt_baker wrote:

You know, I started listening to these guys the other day because they're playing the soundwave festivals in Australia next month. Totally dig them, they rock out quite well. Have you heard the band 10 years? They've released a few albums now, reckon you'd like them too

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciuca4d2Ttg

Thanks man!
Yeah, I like that song. I think they may have a new one too. I get them mixed up with Chevelle, whom I also really dig.

MD97728

they're pretty good. i like their sound. my son has me into breaking benjamin who are also really good.

mr.pink

MD97728 wrote:

they're pretty good. i like their sound. my son has me into breaking benjamin who are also really good.

Yep yep, like them as well thanks to my ex-cunts brother

matt_baker

We should rename this the kick arse music thread. Got some pretty good names floating around here now.

red mos

saw these guys back in May at Buzzfest. Pretty solid band actually. I enjoyed the live show. The Sound of Madness is a pretty good album. I always liked the song 45 by them as well.

facepollution

The singer mimed bits of songs when I saw them support Alter Bridge, unforgiveable in my view.

youngster

I dig these guys. The singers voice is amazing.

mr.pink

facepollution wrote:

The singer mimed bits of songs when I saw them support Alter Bridge, unforgiveable in my view.

what do you mean by "mimed" :?:

facepollution

mr.pink wrote:

facepollution wrote:

The singer mimed bits of songs when I saw them support Alter Bridge, unforgiveable in my view.

what do you mean by "mimed" :?:

He lip-synched!

mr.pink

facepollution wrote:

mr.pink wrote:

facepollution wrote:

The singer mimed bits of songs when I saw them support Alter Bridge, unforgiveable in my view.

what do you mean by "mimed" :?:

He lip-synched!

nah, come on. I don't believe it.

facepollution

mr.pink wrote:

nah, come on. I don't believe it.

It's quite well established stuff, the hardcore fans will try and deny it, but there's loads of videos on youtube where it's plain obvious.

facepollution

My case in point:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WNEpK6LXrY

The vocals are absolutely identical to the album version, not similar, but identical. They don't have the same reverb that live vocals have either. When I saw them, I had been listening to them a lot before I went, in particular the song I Dare You, mainly because of the vocals. So when they started playing it, he went from not being able to even sing the fairly tame verses accurately, to absolutely note perfect.

I Dare You (live):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5a971DfLC0

Note how he's obviously singing the verses, a few duff notes in there, but not too bad, then it goes note perfect in the chorus which has all the difficult to reach high notes. It just doesn't add up.

mr.pink

facepollution wrote:

My case in point:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WNEpK6LXrY

The vocals are absolutely identical to the album version, not similar, but identical. They don't have the same reverb that live vocals have either. When I saw them, I had been listening to them a lot before I went, in particular the song I Dare You, mainly because of the vocals. So when they started playing it, he went from not being able to even sing the fairly tame verses accurately, to absolutely note perfect.

I Dare You (live):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5a971DfLC0

Note how he's obviously singing the verses, a few duff notes in there, but not too bad, then it goes note perfect in the chorus which has all the difficult to reach high notes. It just doesn't add up.

Man, I watched those two video, and they didn't really prove your point. I'm not saying you're wrong, but he's definitely singing in the first one, that's obvious. The second one... he sounds a little loose through the whole thing to me. You say the choruses are perfect, but to me it sounds like a high-note that is easy for him to constantly reach and not exactly in perfect pitch.

mr.pink

oops, quoted myself

facepollution

mr.pink wrote:

Man, I watched those two video, and they didn't really prove your point. I'm not saying you're wrong, but he's definitely singing in the first one, that's obvious. The second one... he sounds a little loose through the whole thing to me. You say the choruses are perfect, but to me it sounds like a high-note that is easy for him to constantly reach and not exactly in perfect pitch.

Let's put it this way, this 'rumour' had dogged this particular singer for a number of years now - I've never heard of any other mainstream rock singer being accused of lip-synching. There's no smoke without fire.

Those were the first videos I came upon, the first one, yes he sings the verses, but the choruses and the bridge in particular, are definitely not live, the big notes fade out too cleanly, no reverb. Those high notes are not easy for him to reach, there are just as many live videos where he does sing live, and he doesn't get anywhere near those big high notes, not any of them. This is what he normally sounds like singing I Dare You:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAmzqopvwV4

The singer from Alter Bridge even alluded to Brent's lip-synching. Shortly after their tour together, Myles Kennedy was interviewed and he was asked how he kept his voice so good whilst touring. He said that if his voice was fatigued he wouldn't talk all day, he also doesn't drink on tour, doesn't smoke etc. He said it was really important to him because he didn't want to cheat fans, and that he had even toured with bands whose singers had ended up relying on backing tracks rather than singing live.

rhcpjam1029

check out their cover of simple man. pretty good stuff.

mr.pink

facepollution wrote:

mr.pink wrote:

Man, I watched those two video, and they didn't really prove your point. I'm not saying you're wrong, but he's definitely singing in the first one, that's obvious. The second one... he sounds a little loose through the whole thing to me. You say the choruses are perfect, but to me it sounds like a high-note that is easy for him to constantly reach and not exactly in perfect pitch.

Let's put it this way, this 'rumour' had dogged this particular singer for a number of years now - I've never heard of any other mainstream rock singer being accused of lip-synching. There's no smoke without fire.

Those were the first videos I came upon, the first one, yes he sings the verses, but the choruses and the bridge in particular, are definitely not live, the big notes fade out too cleanly, no reverb. Those high notes are not easy for him to reach, there are just as many live videos where he does sing live, and he doesn't get anywhere near those big high notes, not any of them. This is what he normally sounds like singing I Dare You:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAmzqopvwV4

The singer from Alter Bridge even alluded to Brent's lip-synching. Shortly after their tour together, Myles Kennedy was interviewed and he was asked how he kept his voice so good whilst touring. He said that if his voice was fatigued he wouldn't talk all day, he also doesn't drink on tour, doesn't smoke etc. He said it was really important to him because he didn't want to cheat fans, and that he had even toured with bands whose singers had ended up relying on backing tracks rather than singing live.

Dude, you could be right. I'm not exactly "in touch" with the rumor mill, but I'd think that doing a mili-vanili would be big, big news in the rock world. And would affect their "status" permenantly. I haven't ever heard anything on the radio or anywhere else, till you. Still, I could definitely be in the dark... I don't even have a TV.

I haven't seen anything convincing here, though. In regards to the last video and the "comfortable high note" thing I mentioned earlier: both are able to honestly co-exist. As a fellow Cornell fan, you know that singing in that intense style will produce different results from time to time. We've seen Cornell do versions like that last video when his voice wasn't quite in shape. And we've seen him resort to a "comfortable high note" from time to time as well.

I may continue to investigate this, and if what you claim is true... then yeah, that does suck. But I'm not convinced at this point.

facepollution

mr.pink wrote:

Dude, you could be right. I'm not exactly "in touch" with the rumor mill, but I'd think that doing a mili-vanili would be big, big news in the rock world. And would affect their "status" permenantly. I haven't ever heard anything on the radio or anywhere else, till you. Still, I could definitely be in the dark... I don't even have a TV.

I haven't seen anything convincing here, though. In regards to the last video and the "comfortable high note" thing I mentioned earlier: both are able to honestly co-exist. As a fellow Cornell fan, you know that singing in that intense style will produce different results from time to time. We've seen Cornell do versions like that last video when his voice wasn't quite in shape. And we've seen him resort to a "comfortable high note" from time to time as well.

I may continue to investigate this, and if what you claim is true... then yeah, that does suck. But I'm not convinced at this point.

Yeah, but as much as I love Cornell's work and respect him as a singer, even at his very best, he doesn't sound note perfect to the original. He might hit all the high notes, but it wouldn't sound exactly the same. Check out some more live versions of I Dare You or Second Chance, and ask yourself why would you purposely sing the chorus in a very live manner (i.e changing up the melody a little) and then suddenly nail the chorus studio perfect? It's not like he hits some of the high notes in the chorus and even slightly missed others, they are all there exactly as they are on the record, even the big long notes as he comes out of the bridges. I'm sorry, but no rock singer I've ever heard can do that live, not even the very best like Cornell, Freddie Mercury, Jeff Buckley etc. They might replicate the same high notes, but they don't do it in exactly the same way. Plus if you listen to other less challenging songs of Shinedown's from the same shows, he sings them live, and doesn't even hit a lot of the lower notes. So is he just saving up all his pitch perfect full pelt high notes for those songs? I think not. But like you say, you need to check it out for yourself.

facepollution

OK listen to him strain his way through the verses in this live version, and then miraculously he pulls it all together perfectly for the chorus:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_T37VgfEcw

What singers do you know who choose to sing the easier parts of songs a little flat, hitting a few bum notes along the way, and then when it gets to the most challenging parts manage to replicate a studio take? It just doesn't happen.