The Catholic review of AVATAR

breath123
breath123 Posts: 397
edited March 2010 in A Moving Train
Wrong on just about every count

"Nature worshiping"?! umm yeah there's no connection between god and nature.

http://catholicmediareview.blogspot.com ... -2009.html
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,424
    yeah i thought that as well. nope, no connection between god and nature....i think the review was a little harsh....can the movie really be that bad?
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  • g under p
    g under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,237
    Interesting review I don't think it was that bad at all but if this movie was worse tha Speed II then I gather they won't be a Avatar II.

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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    edited January 2010
    The religious right are just upset that the movie is clearly a parable of the American genocide. This doesn't of course tie in neatly with their idea of manifest destiny and the righteousness of murdering 100 million people.
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  • OffHeGoes29
    OffHeGoes29 Posts: 1,240
    Byrnzie wrote:
    The religious right are just upset that the movie is clearly a parable of the American genocide. This doesn't of course tie in neatly with their idea of manifest destiny and the righteousness of murdering 100 millkion people.

    100 million huh? Where did you get those facts? Iraq has only 24 Million and A-stan has 12 million people living there, did we kill 80% of there population?
    BRING BACK THE WHALE
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    OffHeGoes29 wrote:
    Byrnzie wrote:
    The religious right are just upset that the movie is clearly a parable of the American genocide. This doesn't of course tie in neatly with their idea of manifest destiny and the righteousness of murdering 100 millkion people.

    100 million huh? Where did you get those facts? Iraq has only 24 Million and A-stan has 12 million people living there, did we kill 80% of there population?

    I wasn't referring to Iraq or Afghanistan. I was referring to the original inhabitants of the Americas.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... -important
    '...In 1492, some 100 million native people lived in the Americas. By the end of the 19th century almost all of them had been exterminated. Many died as a result of disease, but the mass extinction was also engineered..'
  • he still stands
    he still stands Posts: 2,835
    A good book (fiction) about how the Christians (Catholics, in particular) killed Paganism is called Jitterbug Perfume. One of the countless themes, actually.

    I don't know... I'm agnostic... but Paganism appeals to me more than Christianity... but that's not saying much.

    Every "spiritual" experience I've ever had has been in nature.

    The Vatican is just making themselves more irrelevant to the younger generations.

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  • OffHeGoes29
    OffHeGoes29 Posts: 1,240
    Byrnzie wrote:
    OffHeGoes29 wrote:
    Byrnzie wrote:
    The religious right are just upset that the movie is clearly a parable of the American genocide. This doesn't of course tie in neatly with their idea of manifest destiny and the righteousness of murdering 100 millkion people.

    100 million huh? Where did you get those facts? Iraq has only 24 Million and A-stan has 12 million people living there, did we kill 80% of there population?

    I wasn't referring to Iraq or Afghanistan. I was referring to the original inhabitants of the Americas.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... -important
    '...In 1492, some 100 million native people lived in the Americas. By the end of the 19th century almost all of them had been exterminated. Many died as a result of disease, but the mass extinction was also engineered..'

    Most of it was done by Europeans...
    BRING BACK THE WHALE
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    OffHeGoes29 wrote:
    100 million huh? Where did you get those facts? Iraq has only 24 Million and A-stan has 12 million people living there, did we kill 80% of there population?
    Byrnzie wrote:
    I wasn't referring to Iraq or Afghanistan. I was referring to the original inhabitants of the Americas.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... -important
    '...In 1492, some 100 million native people lived in the Americas. By the end of the 19th century almost all of them had been exterminated. Many died as a result of disease, but the mass extinction was also engineered..'
    OffHeGoes29 wrote:
    Most of it was done by Europeans...

    European settlers - the first white Americans. The contact between these two cultures - the whites and the natives - is what the movie avatar is an allegory of. Check the other thread if you need any further clarification.
  • he still stands
    he still stands Posts: 2,835
    Byrnzie wrote:
    European settlers - the first white Americans. The contact between these two cultures - the whites and the natives - is what the movie avatar is an allegory of. Check the other thread if you need any further clarification.

    My "economics history" teacher in college had the opinion that it is justifiable because we can use the land more efficiently. In other words, it takes 100 acres of land to support 1 native american but since we are so "efficient" (agriculture, industrialization, etc) we advanced primates can support 1 person per 10 acres of land.

    He wasn't teaching, he was proselytizing.

    I am embarassed to say that I didn't say anything... just sat there like a fool and nodded my agreeable little head. :oops:
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  • Pepe Silvia
    Pepe Silvia Posts: 3,758
    i liked the part where the author was mad because a guy in the movie refuses to fight and is later seen walking around and smiling instead of being thrown in a brig or shot for cowardice
    don't compete; coexist

    what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?

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  • OutOfBreath
    OutOfBreath Posts: 1,804
    Some people get a kick out of spouting bile for pages I guess.

    No, the movie wasn't realistic (which seemed to be his main shtick with it). No it does not promote christianity. Yes, it's a fantasy/sci fi movie that is heavy on the visuals and a bit light on the plot.

    I for one thought it was a great movie. It's strength is the visuals, not the dialogue. But I knew that going in. In fact I expected something a lot worse plot-wise, but it didn't get in the way too often. It's a great popcorn movie where you just sit back and dont have to think much. To "analyze" it like you would a serious piece of literature or something is just stupid and out of place. You dont judge punk records for their skillful use of classical instruments, you judge them on their own terms.

    As for promoting paganism and pantheism or what have you, a big "meh" from me on that account. Respect of nature and balance is the dominant theme really.

    The author also seem to have a shtick with whites being portrayed badly and blacks being the good guys. To be so focused on such details (which I didn't at all notice) tells more about what he thinks...

    I give this review 1 out of 10. Because it's wrong on the count of it being a poor movie (subjective, I know), and because he judges it from the completely wrong premises.

    I recommend everyone to see Avatar in 3D. It's mindblowing, really. :)

    Peace
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  • Commy
    Commy Posts: 4,984
    OutOfBreath wrote:
    You dont judge punk records for their skillful use of classical instruments





    goddamn.


    and the rest of the post is accurate.
  • Pepe Silvia
    Pepe Silvia Posts: 3,758
    it also seems that the author justifies the mentality of 'the ends justify the means'. he brings up at least twice that the guy helps the natives of the planet and not the humans who are trying to kill them all to steal their resources and how this is apparently wrong of him
    don't compete; coexist

    what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?

    "I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama

    when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
    i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
  • Pepe Silvia
    Pepe Silvia Posts: 3,758
    this guy says it's the most satanic, demonic film he's ever seen :shock: :roll: :lol:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cI5GxM4 ... r_embedded
    don't compete; coexist

    what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?

    "I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama

    when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
    i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
  • rebornFixer
    rebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    OutOfBreath wrote:

    The author also seem to have a shtick with whites being portrayed badly and blacks being the good guys. To be so focused on such details (which I didn't at all notice) tells more about what he thinks...

    I give this review 1 out of 10. Because it's wrong on the count of it being a poor movie (subjective, I know), and because he judges it from the completely wrong premises.

    I recommend everyone to see Avatar in 3D. It's mindblowing, really. :)

    Peace
    Dan

    I dunno ... It IS pretty trendy to portray "whites" as colonialist, nature-destroying devils these days. I agree with your view of the film, though. Its awesome, at a basic visual level.
  • haffajappa
    haffajappa British Columbia Posts: 5,955
    So we're clear:

    Primitives = happy, natural, honorable and spiritual
    Humans = destructive, greedy, violent and conniving.

    No look guys, he's got it!
    Now if only he stopped there.
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  • rebornFixer
    rebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    haffajappa wrote:
    So we're clear:

    Primitives = happy, natural, honorable and spiritual
    Humans = destructive, greedy, violent and conniving.

    No look guys, he's got it!
    Now if only he stopped there.

    Primitives that ride huge-ass beasts with hammerheads = EVEN MORE happy, natural, honorable, and spiritual!
    :D
  • haffajappa
    haffajappa British Columbia Posts: 5,955
    Byrnzie wrote:
    OffHeGoes29 wrote:
    Byrnzie wrote:
    The religious right are just upset that the movie is clearly a parable of the American genocide. This doesn't of course tie in neatly with their idea of manifest destiny and the righteousness of murdering 100 millkion people.

    100 million huh? Where did you get those facts? Iraq has only 24 Million and A-stan has 12 million people living there, did we kill 80% of there population?

    I wasn't referring to Iraq or Afghanistan. I was referring to the original inhabitants of the Americas.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... -important
    '...In 1492, some 100 million native people lived in the Americas. By the end of the 19th century almost all of them had been exterminated. Many died as a result of disease, but the mass extinction was also engineered..'
    I can't believe you actually had to explain that one... :roll: :lol:
    live pearl jam is best pearl jam
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    What the Catholic Church needs to explain is this...
    If the atmosphere around the floating mountains disrupted the military communications hardware's abilitiy to send/recieve ship to ship transmissions... how come the Avatar's worked? I mean, the same technology for the Avatars came from the same people who built those helicopters, right?
    ...
    Explain that one Mr. Pope.
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  • luke.
    luke. Posts: 190
    Byrnzie wrote:
    OffHeGoes29 wrote:
    100 million huh? Where did you get those facts? Iraq has only 24 Million and A-stan has 12 million people living there, did we kill 80% of there population?
    Byrnzie wrote:
    I wasn't referring to Iraq or Afghanistan. I was referring to the original inhabitants of the Americas.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... -important
    '...In 1492, some 100 million native people lived in the Americas. By the end of the 19th century almost all of them had been exterminated. Many died as a result of disease, but the mass extinction was also engineered..'
    OffHeGoes29 wrote:
    Most of it was done by Europeans...

    European settlers - the first white Americans. The contact between these two cultures - the whites and the natives - is what the movie avatar is an allegory of. Check the other thread if you need any further clarification.


    get over yourselves, avatar has nothing to do with the 'americas' .. and the world doesn't revolve around the wars in the middle east... or the usa. its a friggen movie with blue people. the end

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