Sen. Harry Reid. OOOOPS!!!!!

WaveCameCrashinWaveCameCrashin Posts: 2,929
edited January 2010 in A Moving Train
I personally despise this man for so many reasons. This however doesn't really bother me. I don't agree with what he said,and it sure is funny how all of a suden he starts aplogizing. :shifty: :lol: :roll: Yeah ...When he got caught.. I do agree with M. Steel on the fact that there is always a double stadard when it comes to the Dems on matters that have to do with race.


http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/11/us/po ... idweb.html
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  • g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,200
    Well, he should apologize and he did, Obama accepted and has moved on. I wouldn't listen to anything Steele has to say, he's a complete idiot.

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  • g under p wrote:
    Well, he should apologize and he did, Obama accepted and has moved on. I wouldn't listen to anything Steele has to say, he's a complete idiot.

    Peace

    I know,but I just think it's funny how once he got caught then he apologized. Even old plugs (Biden) said some contraversial things during the primaries. I realize that it's just politics as usual and what do you think would happen if Obama didn't accept his aplogy. Regardless Reid's history anyway. He wont be re elected in november along with many others.Not to mention the ones that have already announced their retirement.
  • The first thing that comes to mind is, who even uses the word "negro" anymore?

    Second, my own feelings on Obama have long been that he is not radical at all, and for someone who watches The Wire, and grew up as he told us 1 million times during the election campaign, on the South Side of Chicago, a notorious poor and crime ridden area. Obama has suggested he cant get a taxi in NY because of his skin color. For someone with that history, its stunning his lack of awareness on issues of race, poverty, drugs, the justice system and policing in the inner city and nationwide.

    I thought it was great that he was elected in 2008, only for the reason that he is african american, and the importance of that fact to all the black girls and boys. But in terms of his politics, obama is not someone who understands or gets or is really willing to deal with race and all I listed above. The whole race issue this past summer with that policeman and the professor illustrated it. Obama originally said the cop was stupid but then backed down...huh? Wow, way to make a stand, brother. Obama refuses to address the racist judicial system that currently is home to over 1 million black men, most for nonviolent drug crimes. Obama refuses to deal with the racist drug laws, those that give harsher sentences to crack users than to cocaine users. Obama hasnt dealt with the inner city policing issue, where cops brutualize and wantonly murder, harass and intimidate the residents of these poor areas. Obama has done little to address racism nationwide as well.

    The problem doesnt just lie with Reid, it also lies with Obama and his cabinet.

    What needs to be said, is that Reid is an idiot, and should have been booted a long time ago. He along with Pelousy are huge reasons why the war continues.
  • I also think you have degrees of radicals. You have people like Clarence Thomas or Colin Powell. Then you have Malcolm, MLK at the end of his life, Huey, and so on. I have always been attracted to, and been interested and inspired by the later. Obama is a conservative democrat, a centrist even. He is not some radical.

    Its also an interesting point. Its long been a contentious point in the black community about light skinned and dark skinned blacks. It traces all the way back to the slave days when the light skinned blacks would get to stay in the masters house, while the dark skinned would be forced to work outside.

    The notion that if obama wasnt part white, and if he was very dark skinned, if he was donning a dashiki and was pro africa and all that, its an interesting question of if he would have ever been elected to the Senate in Chicago let alone become president.
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    this is similar to glenn beck refusing to define "white culture". there is no excuse for this and reid should not have said this, and neither should beck have said what he said. obama and sharpton are willing to accept the apology, and if they are willing to accept the apology then so am i.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    after going back and re-reading his comments several times, i think you can make the case that reid may have been saying if obama carried himself like someone such as Flava-Flav he would not win the election. the article does not give the entire context of the comments. he was just giving his opinion, but still he should have kept it to himself because in politics saying anything about race can make you lose your job very quickly...
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • AnonAnon Posts: 11,175
    Good thing Reid is going to lose re-election!
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,497
    this is similar to glenn beck refusing to define "white culture". there is no excuse for this and reid should not have said this, and neither should beck have said what he said. obama and sharpton are willing to accept the apology, and if they are willing to accept the apology then so am i.


    If it was a republican, I think Obama would have still accepted the apology, but no way in hell Sharpton does.
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  • WaveCameCrashinWaveCameCrashin Posts: 2,929
    edited January 2010
    If it was a republican, I think Obama would have still accepted the apology, but no way in hell Sharpton does.


    I agree with you 100%. I find it intresting how ideolgy always trumps facts and race.The ends always justify the means when it comes to the democrats

    and he also lied when he said that it was the Republicans that didn't support the civil rights act.
    But that's no big deal right ??? :? :roll:

    The Civil Rights Act of 1964 would not have passed without the 80% of Republicans who supported it.
    Here are the highlights from HR 7152, The Civil Rights Act of 1964:


    ********************


    The Vote


    HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES



    DEMOCRATS: REPUBLICANS:

    235 Members 175 Members

    Yes - 145 - 62% Yes - 137 - 78%

    No - 90 - 34% No - 38 - 22%



    SENATE


    DEMOCRATS: REPUBLICANS:

    65 Members 35 Members

    Yes -42 - 66% Yes - 28 - 80%

    No - 23 - 34% No - 7 - 20%



    Notable Votes:

    *Sen. Al Gore Sr. ( D-TN. )- No

    Sen. Robert Byrd ( D-W.Va. ) - No

    **Rep. Bob Dole ( R-KA ) -Yes
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  • ShawshankShawshank Posts: 1,018
    this is similar to glenn beck refusing to define "white culture". there is no excuse for this and reid should not have said this, and neither should beck have said what he said. obama and sharpton are willing to accept the apology, and if they are willing to accept the apology then so am i.

    Reid is a fool, and he won't be re-elected so it's really a moot point. As far as Beck is concerned, his idiocy came in the fact that he couldn't explain what he said for whatever reason. It wasn't his place to define "white culture", he was simply conveying the point of view that Obama had already put forth in his own words. Obama used the term "white culture", and his point directed towards that term had been made in a negative connotation. Beck was just a fool for reiterating that term out of context, and then not being able to explain himself later. Is Obama a racist? I don't think so, or at least I certainly hope not. However, his own words make it easy for people to get the idea that he has a disdain for white people.....

    I ceased to advertise my mother’s race at the age of twelve or thirteen, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites….I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against my mother’s race.

    That hate hadn’t gone away; it formed a counter narrative buried deep within each person and at the center of which stood white people- some cruel, some ignorant.

    The Minority assimilated into the dominant culture, not the other way around. Only white culture could be neutral and objective. Only white culture could be non-racial, willing to adopt the occasional exotic into its ranks. Only white culture had individuals.
  • Shawshank wrote:
    this is similar to glenn beck refusing to define "white culture". there is no excuse for this and reid should not have said this, and neither should beck have said what he said. obama and sharpton are willing to accept the apology, and if they are willing to accept the apology then so am i.

    Reid is a fool, and he won't be re-elected so it's really a moot point. As far as Beck is concerned, his idiocy came in the fact that he couldn't explain what he said for whatever reason. It wasn't his place to define "white culture", he was simply conveying the point of view that Obama had already put forth in his own words. Obama used the term "white culture", and his point directed towards that term had been made in a negative connotation. Beck was just a fool for reiterating that term out of context, and then not being able to explain himself later. Is Obama a racist? I don't think so, or at least I certainly hope not. However, his own words make it easy for people to get the idea that he has a disdain for white people.....
    I ceased to advertise my mother’s race at the age of twelve or thirteen, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites….I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against my mother’s race.

    That hate hadn’t gone away; it formed a counter narrative buried deep within each person and at the center of which stood white people- some cruel, some ignorant.

    The Minority assimilated into the dominant culture, not the other way around. Only white culture could be neutral and objective. Only white culture could be non-racial, willing to adopt the occasional exotic into its ranks. Only white culture had individuals.
    really? all of it is Obama's own words, and in context?

    this was debated to death back in the day when an email initiated by the haters first circulated. some of it was not not his own words, and you need to look at the quotes in context. you get a whole new meaning.

    just a thought of course..

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/ownwords.asp
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    Shawshank wrote:
    this is similar to glenn beck refusing to define "white culture". there is no excuse for this and reid should not have said this, and neither should beck have said what he said. obama and sharpton are willing to accept the apology, and if they are willing to accept the apology then so am i.

    Reid is a fool, and he won't be re-elected so it's really a moot point. As far as Beck is concerned, his idiocy came in the fact that he couldn't explain what he said for whatever reason. It wasn't his place to define "white culture", he was simply conveying the point of view that Obama had already put forth in his own words. Obama used the term "white culture", and his point directed towards that term had been made in a negative connotation. Beck was just a fool for reiterating that term out of context, and then not being able to explain himself later. Is Obama a racist? I don't think so, or at least I certainly hope not. However, his own words make it easy for people to get the idea that he has a disdain for white people.....
    I ceased to advertise my mother’s race at the age of twelve or thirteen, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites….I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against my mother’s race.

    That hate hadn’t gone away; it formed a counter narrative buried deep within each person and at the center of which stood white people- some cruel, some ignorant.

    The Minority assimilated into the dominant culture, not the other way around. Only white culture could be neutral and objective. Only white culture could be non-racial, willing to adopt the occasional exotic into its ranks. Only white culture had individuals.
    really? all of it is Obama's own words, and in context?

    this was debated to death back in the day when an email initiated by the haters first circulated. some of it was not not his own words, and you need to look at the quotes in context. you get a whole new meaning.

    just a thought of course..

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/ownwords.asp

    touche'

    i remember that thread. shame people still believe that crap...
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    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • aerialaerial Posts: 2,319
    What did he say that is not true? I don't like the guy but I don't see what the big deal is....was he lieing? Why can't people talk about race? Why is it so taboo?
    He uses the word Negro because he is eighty some years old...
    How is it you people call Tea Party supporters teabaggers yet you want to condemn this guy? :roll:
    The guy is trying to pass one of the worst bills in history and you guys are getting upset about this?
    :?
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    aerial wrote:
    What did he say that is not true? I don't like the guy but I don't see what the big deal is....was he lieing? Why can't people talk about race? Why is it so taboo?
    He uses the word Negro because he is eighty some years old...
    How is it you people call Tea Party supporters teabaggers yet you want to condemn this guy? :roll:
    The guy is trying to pass one of the worst bills in history and you guys are getting upset about this?
    :?
    YOU GUYS COINED THE TEABAG TERM!!! did you not throw teabags at the very first rally? didn't some dumbass get arrested for littering for throwing a box of tea on the whitehouse lawn?? see the post in the other thread by starfall.

    michael steele is upset about it because he has nothing else of any relevence to do these days. he is manufacturing anger. the gop can't stop any legislation so they are resorting to plan b, create scandal. its the first page in their political playbook. look for other things to come out about other people after this week's outrage blows over.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • puremagicpuremagic Posts: 1,907
    Michael Steele and the GOP complaining about a double standard for Democrats making racial remarks against President Obama is like a high-price escort complaining about being called a prostitute.

    Steele's an incompetent fool who was elected to his position with the GOP because it made it more acceptable for the GOP to go after the President in a negative, disrespectful and racial manner because people would perceive it as black against black.


    Once it became clear that Obama was a serious contender for the presidency, racism became the norm in people's daily conversations, including all media talk shows. The problem with the GOP elected officials, they couldn't let it go once Obama became President. They lost interest in being politicians serving the people, instead they became obsess with demonstrating to the people and the world they had no respect for a black President. Sad thing is that for all the childish acting stunts the GOP has pulled in Congress leading up to their no vote agenda, Obama's bills are still being passed without their input and they don't seem to care as long as they get their perk amendments tacked on to the final Bill.

    People get mad after a Bill is passed and then find out what is or is not in the Bill to help them. Blame it on a 'no' vote, where the GOP goes into a tantrum like a 2 yr. old and you never know the reason until its late to have been prevented.
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  • Pepe SilviaPepe Silvia Posts: 3,758
    doesn't the US census have a 'negro' option, too?
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    doesn't the US census have a 'negro' option, too?
    yes it does. the last census they had options for 1/2 and 1/4, and 1/8 african american, in addition to "negro".
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • aerialaerial Posts: 2,319
    aerial wrote:
    What did he say that is not true? I don't like the guy but I don't see what the big deal is....was he lieing? Why can't people talk about race? Why is it so taboo?
    He uses the word Negro because he is eighty some years old...
    How is it you people call Tea Party supporters teabaggers yet you want to condemn this guy? :roll:
    The guy is trying to pass one of the worst bills in history and you guys are getting upset about this?
    :?
    YOU GUYS COINED THE TEABAG TERM!!! did you not throw teabags at the very first rally? didn't some dumbass get arrested for littering for throwing a box of tea on the whitehouse lawn?? see the post in the other thread by starfall.

    michael steele is upset about it because he has nothing else of any relevence to do these days. he is manufacturing anger. the gop can't stop any legislation so they are resorting to plan b, create scandal. its the first page in their political playbook. look for other things to come out about other people after this week's outrage blows over.

    No one with the tea Party want's to be called a Teabagger any more than a black person wants to be called the "N" word....It’s okay to be demeaning to some people but not ok to others? Who is setting the standards? I think the name calling is a bit juvenile don’t you agree?
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  • tybirdtybird Posts: 17,388
    prfctlefts wrote:
    If it was a republican, I think Obama would have still accepted the apology, but no way in hell Sharpton does.


    I agree with you 100%. I find it intresting how ideolgy always trumps facts and race.The ends always justify the means when it comes to the democrats

    and he also lied when he said that it was the Republicans that didn't support the civil rights act.
    But that's no big deal right ??? :? :roll:

    The Civil Rights Act of 1964 would not have passed without the 80% of Republicans who supported it.
    Here are the highlights from HR 7152, The Civil Rights Act of 1964:


    ********************


    The Vote


    HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES



    DEMOCRATS: REPUBLICANS:

    235 Members 175 Members

    Yes - 145 - 62% Yes - 137 - 78%

    No - 90 - 34% No - 38 - 22%



    SENATE


    DEMOCRATS: REPUBLICANS:

    65 Members 35 Members

    Yes -42 - 66% Yes - 28 - 80%

    No - 23 - 34% No - 7 - 20%



    Notable Votes:

    *Sen. Al Gore Sr. ( D-TN. )- No

    Sen. Robert Byrd ( D-W.Va. ) - No

    **Rep. Bob Dole ( R-KA ) -Yes
    What many people don't realize is that the VAST majority of Southern Reps and Sens were Democrats in 1964
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  • Pepe SilviaPepe Silvia Posts: 3,758
    doesn't the US census have a 'negro' option, too?
    yes it does. the last census they had options for 1/2 and 1/4, and 1/8 african american, in addition to "negro".


    from the article in the op:
    Michael Steele, the Republican Party chairman, called Sunday for Harry Reid to step down as U.S. Senate majority leader in the wake of revelations of Mr. Reid’s remarks in 2008 about Barack Obama’s skin color and dialect.

    A new book about the 2008 campaign quotes Mr. Reid as predicting that Mr. Obama could become the country’s first black president because he was “light-skinned” and had “no Negro dialect, unless he wanted to have one.



    why should he step down? maybe he should've said he doesn't talk jive instead
    don't compete; coexist

    what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?

    "I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama

    when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
    i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
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