Do they even WANT to find a cure for cancer??

Wobbie

This, from another thread which I didn't want to derail out of respect for the OP:

polaris_x wrote:

imalive wrote:

to your first point - I doubt it.

to your second - call me a conspiracy theorist, but I'm not sure certain interests want a cure to be found...

not a consipiracy theory - it's a fact ... :evil:

Is it a fact? Are certain interests against finding a cure for cancer? Help me out, here. I'm interested... not just trying to stir shit. :think:

norm

unfortunately, cancer is big business...i'm not a conspiracy theorist but i can't believe were at 2010 and we don't have, if not a cure, something damn close to it

my mom's latest chemo drug which is given to her once a month cost $15,000...i think my parents first house cost that! :shock: :roll:

blackredyellow

Yes, I'm sure that there is more money to be made from treating diseases than there is in curing them, but you can bet that a big Pharm company would do incredibly well if they came up with a cure, both financially and in brand image... They'd use "we cured cancer" in the first sentence of anything and everything that they put out, and in every marketing slogan for next umpteen years.

Pepe Silvia

blackredyellow wrote:

Yes, I'm sure that there is more money to be made from treating diseases than there is in curing them, but you can bet that a big Pharm company would do incredibly well if they came up with a cure, both financially and in brand image... They'd use "we cured cancer" in the first sentence of anything and everything that they put out, and in every marketing slogan for next umpteen years.

i dunno, i was watching the future of food last night and it talked about corporations patenting plants and even cancer cells. it said a corporation owns the patent for breast cancer and so a lot of schools and groups aren't allowed to use 'their' property to research a cure for breast cancer without paying a ridiculous fee. it said the company has even sent spies in and gone after researchers found using 'their' property like Monsanto does with their seed patents.

Timmortal

Hey your post is not disrespectful and to answer your question Do they even want to find a cure? No they dont!! but who cares want they want there making billions of $$$ in our suffering. There are multiple cures for cancer and other illnesses the problem with these cures are they are natural or living organisms that cant be patented and because it takes something like 80million dollars for the FDA to approve it for market its too much for a product that cant be patented!! So instead they try to make synthetic forms of natural cures (ie THC pill) that dont work half as good or they have serious side effects. Toxic chemicals are not the key to good health!! 99% Drugs only suppress symtoms not CURE !!! Watch the movie "Run From The Cure" and see what "They" do to people who have a cure http://www.phoenixtears.ca

polaris_x

it is a bit disingenious of me to say that no one wants to find a cure as there are many who are researching this and is their life's work ... but having said that - this is my opinion:

1. i believe cancer rates would be down significantly if we didn't introduce so many toxins into our environment - whether it be in the air we breathe or the food/water we eat/drink ... also - many household products such as cleaners and such carry ingredients that are known carcinogens - why the cuss do we need to buy this shit?

2. pharmaceuticals have shareholders which inherently means their goals are to drive shareholder value ... creating drugs to deal with the symptoms and impacts of cancer is big business and finding cures are secondary ...

Wobbie

polaris_x wrote:

2. pharmaceuticals have shareholders which inherently means their goals are to drive shareholder value ... creating drugs to deal with the symptoms and impacts of cancer is big business and finding cures are secondary ...

... as in the case of norm's mom's drug . Hell, I'm spending a grand a month to treat cancer in my doggie.

fuckers. plus, they get all this grant money from the govt, so the argument that the expense of drugs goes to research is a bit suspect.

Pepe Silvia

imalive wrote:

polaris_x wrote:

2. pharmaceuticals have shareholders which inherently means their goals are to drive shareholder value ... creating drugs to deal with the symptoms and impacts of cancer is big business and finding cures are secondary ...

... as in the case of norm's mom's drug . Hell, I'm spending a grand a month to treat cancer in my doggie.

fuckers. plus, they get all this grant money from the govt, so the argument that the expense of drugs goes to research is a bit suspect.

especially when many spend far more on advertising than R&D

TravisTheSky

Countless cures abound. Some are ancient, new ones are being found. Apparently Royal Rife had a 90% cure rate with the people he treated in the early to mid 1900s. Like the hemp cure, many cures sound simple: Vitamin C, Baking Soda, Oxygen, chelation.

In the 1950s, about 3% of Americans died from cancer. That was back when everyone smoked unapologetically. Today, about THIRTY percent of us die from cancer! Disease doesn't just "happen." It is caused!

I hope your dog recovers. If the treatment from a conventional vet does not work, I would recommend finding a naturopath. My auntie just lost her 4 year old dog to a sudden cancer. I am forwarding her some info so that she has a broader base of opinion to draw on with her future pets. One common cause of pet cancer is the disgusting concoctions sold as food for them. (As if dogs and cats are meant to thrive on processed GMO corn with flavours and preservatives.) Another cause is the massive overkill of yearly "booster" vaccines. Here is one article I found:http://www.dogsadversereactions.com/scienceVaccineDamage.html There are websites, newsletters, and even several published books on the issue.

Pepe Silvia

TravisTheSky wrote:

Countless cures abound. Some are ancient, new ones are being found. Apparently Royal Rife had a 90% cure rate with the people he treated in the early to mid 1900s. Like the hemp cure, many cures sound simple: Vitamin C, Baking Soda, Oxygen, chelation.

In the 1950s, about 3% of Americans died from cancer. That was back when everyone smoked unapologetically. Today, about THIRTY percent of us die from cancer! Disease doesn't just "happen." It is caused!

I hope your dog recovers. If the treatment from a conventional vet does not work, I would recommend finding a naturopath. My auntie just lost her 4 year old dog to a sudden cancer. I am forwarding her some info so that she has a broader base of opinion to draw on with her future pets. One common cause of pet cancer is the disgusting concoctions sold as food for them. (As if dogs and cats are meant to thrive on processed GMO corn with flavours and preservatives.) Another cause is the massive overkill of yearly "booster" vaccines. Here is one article I found:http://www.dogsadversereactions.com/scienceVaccineDamage.html There are websites, newsletters, and even several published books on the issue.

yeah, looking through the ingredients to dog food is always fun. it seems most of the major brands their beef flavor the first meat is chicken by-products, then chicken, then liver or something....out the major brands like alpo, pedigree...the grocery store's brand here has better ingredients in their wet food. and with the dry food it seems like most have some sort of corn or corn meal as the first ingredient.

youngster

I think of it as a carrott in front of a donkey. The donkey being cancer and the carrott being the cure. They know certain drugs have effects to stave off cancer or put it in remission. I can't see that in this entire world and how long cancer has been around, that no one or a medical team has come up with a cure for ANY type of cancer. These drug companies have 100-200 or more drugs to treat cancer and they are very pricey. If they found a cure, all those other treatment drugs would be useless and thus the company would lose $$.

TriumphantAngel

i don't get it. loved ones of say a lab tech, doctor or head of one of the pharm companies, are not immune from dying of cancer. i find it very hard to believe that there is not one of those sort of people out there, that hasn't loved someone enough, to try everything to save their life, and been happy enough to watch them die of cancer (it's not pretty). how could they know there is a cure, sit back and watch someone they love die, and remain silent?

at least one person would have spoken out.

TravisTheSky

I just heard that my uncle [well, my aunt's husband] died of lung cancer yesterday. This is not the same aunt who lost her dog. Earlier this month, a tenant in my building died of bone cancer.

My uncle smoked for over 40 years, and quit about a decade ago. No one is questioning where his cancer came from. He was diagnosed one year ago. He was 'treated' by oncologists who only offered chemotherapy and radiation. Even though these products do not cure lung cancer, my uncle was enthusiastic to buy them. He never sought a second opinion, or a third, or a fourth. In his narrow view, there were no cures, so he never looked for any. Literally tragic.
I won't be crossing the country to attend any gatherings of his loved ones. The good thing about that is: I won't have to hear anyone describe how nice the doctors and hospitals were that made tens of thousands of dollars from his illness. And that they did everything they could......

All I've heard about the fellow tenant is that he died of bone cancer six months after his diagnosis. I have no idea what caused his cancer. I do know that the bioaccumulative toxin "fluoride" promotes bone cancer in children. I have been drinking public tap water since early '08. It has many poisons added, such as fluoride, bleach, ammonia, psychotropic drugs, hormone mimickers, etc. I can't afford a proper reverse osmosis filtration system. But my neighbour's death has prompted me to buy one anyway!
Most small filters sold at stores say that they remove chlorine, but proudly boast that they leave in the BENEFICIAL fluoride!
I've finally found one that removes everything, including every molecule of fluoride! It's called ZeroWater. The filter and container system is affordable at less than $40. The problem I'm going to have is coming up with $1 a day to keep myself supplied with the replacement filters. Cancer prevention is not free.

kcherub

Hmmm...I think "yes". It IS perplexing to me that with all we CAN do, there isn't one "cure" for cancer. The problem with cancer is that one cancer is not like another. There are so many facets to a single person's cancer, especially in breast cancer. One treatment might work for one person, and that same treatment may totally fail in another. Having a friend (on here actually) who works for a pharmaceutical company that created one of the drugs I took and seeing how hard my oncologist works to treat people correctly (and trying and trying again) gives me the opinion that while cancer might be a big business, the new drugs that come out are effective (and less toxic) than in the past are a HUGE business. I used to wonder if there was a "cure" out there, but after my experience and knowing what I do now about the makeup of cancer, I now know that it's just not out there. I am a firm believer that there will ALWAYS be cancer--the hope is to one day treat it as a chronic illness. So, the big business aspect, IMO, will always be there.

i_lov_it

JUST a "SAD" World to live in EVEN Just ***READING*** this.....

dimitrispearljam

this hard to answer..the only think i know is that everybody now hasa person with cancer in his family..and the money are alot..so i dont think they will found any soon

even flow - question mark

Cancer eats you up in many different ways. There is no one cure for the thing. Anyway, until the governments of the world stop making things that cause cancer there will never be a cure. Things like cancer will just morph like the flu.

"We tried this plastic in tests for three months or even up to a year." Well my scientist friend the people using those things live longer then that duration. Silly humans being.

kcherub

even flow - question mark wrote:

"We tried this plastic in tests for three months or even up to a year." Well my scientist friend the people using those things live longer then that duration. Silly humans being.

I agree...I will never know "what" caused my cancer, but it has to be something "out there". I had almost none of the so-called risk factors, and I got it at 34. I no longer use estrogen/plant-based products, eat soy, and I take a folic acid when I want to partake in a bottle (or two) of wine. I have no idea if this will help to keep my particular cancer to stay away, but it's not too hard to do knowing what I know about my cancer.

catefrances

my maternal grandparents and maternal aunt and uncle died from cancer. the only 2 left are my mum and her youngest sister. so thats 4/6 in the same family. if i could get those odds in vegas id gladly give up my aversion to gambling. now i wonder which of my children will get it. or will it be one of my sisters, my brother, myself or my grand daughter. or having already taken its toll on my family will it leave us alone now.

Commy

TriumphantAngel wrote:

i don't get it. loved ones of say a lab tech, doctor or head of one of the pharm companies, are not immune from dying of cancer. i find it very hard to believe that there is not one of those sort of people out there, that hasn't loved someone enough, to try everything to save their life, and been happy enough to watch them die of cancer (it's not pretty). how could they know there is a cure, sit back and watch someone they love die, and remain silent?

at least one person would have spoken out.

its a good point. profit motivates, but htey are still human beings. i'm sure that the majority are looking for a cure.

TravisTheSky

Commy wrote:

TriumphantAngel wrote:

i don't get it. loved ones of say a lab tech, doctor or head of one of the pharm companies, are not immune from dying of cancer. i find it very hard to believe that there is not one of those sort of people out there, that hasn't loved someone enough, to try everything to save their life, and been happy enough to watch them die of cancer (it's not pretty). how could they know there is a cure, sit back and watch someone they love die, and remain silent?

at least one person would have spoken out.

its a good point. profit motivates, but htey are still human beings. i'm sure that the majority are looking for a cure.

The doctor or lab tech may know nothing beyond allopathic medicine. But the head of a Big Pharma company would NOT consume the poisons he peddles to the common plebs like us!