Some Questions for Opponants of "Going Green"
Its Evolution Baby
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What is the reason you resist? Is it because you don't believe in Global Warming? Is it more of a political issue where going green becomes a victory for the left? Wouldn't conserving oil lesson our dependence on the Middle East for Fuel?
It really confuses me because even if you don't believe in Global Warming, it is a fact we are down on natural resources so hybrid cars, car pooling, recycling, ect are help out in those areas. Plus does anyone drive through any major city inhale the air and think "my god this is healthy". I go to LA once a month and on some days its almost as if I should be waring a mask. To me there is no good reason to not be an Environmentalist, and the Republican Party was the first party of Environmentalism back in the 1900's with Teddy Roosevelt. You would think a "Conservative" would be into CONSERVING precious resources.
So please please explain why you are hesitant so I can better understand your side. And if its because you feel lied to about Global Warming then to me you are missing the whole point.
It really confuses me because even if you don't believe in Global Warming, it is a fact we are down on natural resources so hybrid cars, car pooling, recycling, ect are help out in those areas. Plus does anyone drive through any major city inhale the air and think "my god this is healthy". I go to LA once a month and on some days its almost as if I should be waring a mask. To me there is no good reason to not be an Environmentalist, and the Republican Party was the first party of Environmentalism back in the 1900's with Teddy Roosevelt. You would think a "Conservative" would be into CONSERVING precious resources.
So please please explain why you are hesitant so I can better understand your side. And if its because you feel lied to about Global Warming then to me you are missing the whole point.
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You would think a "Liberal" would be very LIBERAL with all of our natural resources.
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parties really shouldn't matter on this issue.
I'm all for going green to a extent,one of my concerns is not drilling for oil in parts of our country
but I understand some don't like the idea, me.. I just want it all and I want it now
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Its Evolution Baby wrote:What is the reason you resist? Is it because you don't believe in Global Warming? Is it more of a political issue where going green becomes a victory for the left? Wouldn't conserving oil lesson our dependence on the Middle East for Fuel?
It really confuses me because even if you don't believe in Global Warming, it is a fact we are down on natural resources so hybrid cars, car pooling, recycling, ect are help out in those areas. Plus does anyone drive through any major city inhale the air and think "my god this is healthy". I go to LA once a month and on some days its almost as if I should be waring a mask. To me there is no good reason to not be an Environmentalist, and the Republican Party was the first party of Environmentalism back in the 1900's with Teddy Roosevelt. You would think a "Conservative" would be into CONSERVING precious resources.
So please please explain why you are hesitant so I can better understand your side. And if its because you feel lied to about Global Warming then to me you are missing the whole point.
This is something I've always struggled to understand as well. Thanks for asking the question - I hope people answer.0 -
Its Evolution Baby wrote:What is the reason you resist? Is it because you don't believe in Global Warming? Is it more of a political issue where going green becomes a victory for the left? Wouldn't conserving oil lesson our dependence on the Middle East for Fuel?
It really confuses me because even if you don't believe in Global Warming, it is a fact we are down on natural resources so hybrid cars, car pooling, recycling, ect are help out in those areas. Plus does anyone drive through any major city inhale the air and think "my god this is healthy". I go to LA once a month and on some days its almost as if I should be waring a mask. To me there is no good reason to not be an Environmentalist, and the Republican Party was the first party of Environmentalism back in the 1900's with Teddy Roosevelt. You would think a "Conservative" would be into CONSERVING precious resources.
So please please explain why you are hesitant so I can better understand your side. And if its because you feel lied to about Global Warming then to me you are missing the whole point.
No one is against saving the world from pollution . . . the problem is you have the elite from all over the world that are living in excess getting together and trying to make Global Laws that we have to follow. First off Americans do not want to be governed by other countries. Second Americans do not want to be taxed by the elite that will leave us so strapped we can barely afford to pay our bills as the elite still use limos, fly private jets around the world, own yachts and live in humongous homes that have to be heated and cooled.“We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln0 -
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No one is against saving the world from pollution . . . the problem is you have the elite from all over the world that are living in excess getting together and trying to make Global Laws that we have to follow. First off Americans do not want to be governed by other countries. Second Americans do not want to be taxed by the elite that will leave us so strapped we can barely afford to pay our bills as the elite still use limos, fly private jets around the world, own yachts and live in humongous homes that have to be heated and cooled.
I understand this point of view actually. I don't think any laws should be passed forcing people to do something they want to do. That goes against everything our country was founded on. I'm talking about the general resistance by the right on this subject that has nothing to do with laws. I remember last year that ass hat Sean Hannity complaining that he loves his SUV and doesn't want to stop driving it. And I'm thinking you dolt why don't you by the hybrid SUV that is on the market. He can certainly afford it.10/31/2000 (****)
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ok, so forget that america doesn't want to be governed by other countries. that's already obvious. it's clear we don't give a fuck about anyone but ourselves. got that part already. it's clear we don't give a fuck about what consequences our actions have on the rest of the world. we're a very greedy and selfish nation. got that part already too.aerial wrote:No one is against saving the world from pollution . . . the problem is you have the elite from all over the world that are living in excess getting together and trying to make Global Laws that we have to follow. First off Americans do not want to be governed by other countries. Second Americans do not want to be taxed by the elite that will leave us so strapped we can barely afford to pay our bills as the elite still use limos, fly private jets around the world, own yachts and live in humongous homes that have to be heated and cooled.
but how can you not be embarassed byt the fact that nearly every other country has accepted and adopted the Kyoto Protocol, one of the largest agreements on plans to reduce emissions, but the biggest polluter won't sign?
who the hell do we think we are. seriously? we don't have to be told what to do by other countries, but why does it even have to come to that? how about we do the right thing? Then we would have nothing to complain about would we?Post edited by TriumphantAngel on0 -
The wealthy are in a comfort zone they feel they are deserving of.... Society is in a comfort zone....We see people that can buy things a successful...the more they can buy the more successful we think they are. The more money they make is the ruler we (they) use to measure our success......then they have to keep up with the rest of the rich guys because they don’t want to look any less successful than there peers. That leads to having to have more and larger things.Its Evolution Baby wrote:aerial wrote:
No one is against saving the world from pollution . . . the problem is you have the elite from all over the world that are living in excess getting together and trying to make Global Laws that we have to follow. First off Americans do not want to be governed by other countries. Second Americans do not want to be taxed by the elite that will leave us so strapped we can barely afford to pay our bills as the elite still use limos, fly private jets around the world, own yachts and live in humongous homes that have to be heated and cooled.
I understand this point of view actually. I don't think any laws should be passed forcing people to do something they want to do. That goes against everything our country was founded on. I'm talking about the general resistance by the right on this subject that has nothing to do with laws. I remember last year that ass hat Sean Hannity complaining that he loves his SUV and doesn't want to stop driving it. And I'm thinking you dolt why don't you by the hybrid SUV that is on the market. He can certainly afford it.
I read once how the poor do more for the planet than anyone, buy collecting cans that others just toss out the car. They wear used clothing, they can’t afford electricity so they cook on an open fire. I can’t remember all but it did make me think.“We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln0 -
I agree on most of what you say....but we are not ALL greedy doing the wrong things....Are you saying America is the biggest polluter? I thought it was China.TriumphantAngel wrote:
ok, so forget that america doesn't want to be governed by other countries. that's already obvious. it's clear we don't give a fuck about anyone but ourselves. got that part already. it's clear we don't give a fuck about what consequences our actions have on the rest of the world. we're a very greedy and selfish nation. got that part already too.aerial wrote:No one is against saving the world from pollution . . . the problem is you have the elite from all over the world that are living in excess getting together and trying to make Global Laws that we have to follow. First off Americans do not want to be governed by other countries. Second Americans do not want to be taxed by the elite that will leave us so strapped we can barely afford to pay our bills as the elite still use limos, fly private jets around the world, own yachts and live in humongous homes that have to be heated and cooled.
but how can you not be embarassed byt the fact that nearly early every country has accepted and adopted the Kyoto Protocol, one of the largest agreements on plans to reduce emissions, but the biggest polluter won't sign?
who the hell do we think we are. seriously? we don't have to be told what to do by other countries, but why does it even have to come to that? how about we do the right thing? Then we would have nothing to complain about would we?“We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln0 -
only recently has china taken over from us. our results are still apalling.aerial wrote:
I agree on most of what you say....but we are not ALL greedy doing the wrong things....Are you saying America is the biggest polluter? I thought it was China.TriumphantAngel wrote:
ok, so forget that america doesn't want to be governed by other countries. that's already obvious. it's clear we don't give a fuck about anyone but ourselves. got that part already. it's clear we don't give a fuck about what consequences our actions have on the rest of the world. we're a very greedy and selfish nation. got that part already too.aerial wrote:No one is against saving the world from pollution . . . the problem is you have the elite from all over the world that are living in excess getting together and trying to make Global Laws that we have to follow. First off Americans do not want to be governed by other countries. Second Americans do not want to be taxed by the elite that will leave us so strapped we can barely afford to pay our bills as the elite still use limos, fly private jets around the world, own yachts and live in humongous homes that have to be heated and cooled.
but how can you not be embarassed byt the fact that nearly early every country has accepted and adopted the Kyoto Protocol, one of the largest agreements on plans to reduce emissions, but the biggest polluter won't sign?
who the hell do we think we are. seriously? we don't have to be told what to do by other countries, but why does it even have to come to that? how about we do the right thing? Then we would have nothing to complain about would we?0 -
CNN=Climate deal emerges that could cost wealthier nations $100 billion a year by 2020, as Obama tries to salvage some success from conference in disarray.
OK ! lowering pollution levels is a must for sure but how do we do it ?
and has pollution really changed the climate ?
lets look back at history, the ice age and the little ice age..no cars no factory's.
the big change that offed 75% of life on earth millions of years ago,was it a meteorite or climate change ?
as far as I know there is NO clear answer.
all throughout out history the climate and ocean levels have been changing and I think it's a great idea to
keep a scientific eye on everything to monitor the inevitable change but...
A $100 BILLION A YEAR IN A STARPED WORLD ECONOMY !!!
So to use a PJTEN member's user name "gimisometruth", what the heck is really going on here ?
and can ANYBODY prove proof positive that climate change is a direct result of pollution.
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Godfather. wrote:CNN=Climate deal emerges that could cost wealthier nations $100 billion a year by 2020, as Obama tries to salvage some success from conference in disarray.
OK ! lowering pollution levels is a must for sure but how do we do it ?
and has pollution really changed the climate ?
lets look back at history, the ice age and the little ice age..no cars no factory's.
the big change that offed 75% of life on earth millions of years ago,was it a meteorite or climate change ?
as far as I know there is NO clear answer.
all throughout out history the climate and ocean levels have been changing and I think it's a great idea to
keep a scientific eye on everything to monitor the inevitable change but...
A $100 BILLION A YEAR IN A STARPED WORLD ECONOMY !!!
So to use a PJTEN member's user name "gimisometruth", what the heck is really going on here ?
and can ANYBODY prove proof positive that climate change is a direct result of pollution.
Godfather.
uhhh ... all i will say is this - yes, global climate change is man made ... your concerns reiterate what many right wing oil backed think tanks put forth to make people skeptic of the science ... i'm a bit tired of explaining it over and over again so ... i'm gonna leave it at that ... but if you truly are interested - there are many credible sources of information ..
as for this topic - i always found it funny that the environment became a political issue because preserving the environment is in the benefit of EVERYONE - just not some big businesses and it appears that those businesses have aligned themselves with the conservatives and thus the current divide ...
in canada - it was also a conservative who took the reigns on this issue but similar to elsewhere - right wing/conservatives now just means puppet to big business ...0 -
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So to use a PJTEN member's user name "gimisometruth", what the heck is really going on here ?
and can ANYBODY prove proof positive that climate change is a direct result of pollution.
Godfather.
Dude, you're missing the point of the OP's subject. There is no proof, but why do Republicans feel the need to fight against having some respect for our environment? That's the question. Why destroy the air quality we breathe in?
And why do some people litter, exactly? Where exactly do they think all that trash is magically going?0 -
polaris_x wrote:Godfather. wrote:CNN=Climate deal emerges that could cost wealthier nations $100 billion a year by 2020, as Obama tries to salvage some success from conference in disarray.
OK ! lowering pollution levels is a must for sure but how do we do it ?
and has pollution really changed the climate ?
lets look back at history, the ice age and the little ice age..no cars no factory's.
the big change that offed 75% of life on earth millions of years ago,was it a meteorite or climate change ?
as far as I know there is NO clear answer.
all throughout out history the climate and ocean levels have been changing and I think it's a great idea to
keep a scientific eye on everything to monitor the inevitable change but...
A $100 BILLION A YEAR IN A STARPED WORLD ECONOMY !!!
So to use a PJTEN member's user name "gimisometruth", what the heck is really going on here ?
and can ANYBODY prove proof positive that climate change is a direct result of pollution.
Godfather.
uhhh ... all i will say is this - yes, global climate change is man made ... your concerns reiterate what many right wing oil backed think tanks put forth to make people skeptic of the science ... i'm a bit tired of explaining it over and over again so ... i'm gonna leave it at that ... but if you truly are interested - there are many credible sources of information ..
as for this topic - i always found it funny that the environment became a political issue because preserving the environment is in the benefit of EVERYONE - just not some big businesses and it appears that those businesses have aligned themselves with the conservatives and thus the current divide ...
in canada - it was also a conservative who took the reigns on this issue but similar to elsewhere - right wing/conservatives now just means puppet to big business ...
don't believe everything you read and hear about something like this that has a dollar sign on the bottom line,
non of us REALLY know and that was my question. btw I don't conceder myself a right wing or anything like that..
just someone that needs to survive and take care of his family,and with false reports and media Lie's
constantly floating around can anybody really say " I know !" and are your creditable source's really credible ?
I read stuff too that is quote credible but I know better than to believe all of it.
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Are you avoiding my question for you? You can take care of your family while having some respect for where you live, ya know. The politics is about the money, but the science is about the facts. The right thing for everyone to do is just be more conscious of what you release into the air, and where you throw your garbage.Godfather. wrote:don't believe everything you read and hear about something like this that has a dollar sign on the bottom line,
non of us REALLY know and that was my question. btw I don't conceder myself a right wing or anything like that..
just someone that needs to survive and take care of his family,and with false reports and media Lie's
constantly floating around can anybody really say " I know !" and are your creditable source's really credible ?
I read stuff too that is quote credible but I know better than to believe all of it.
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Jeanwah wrote:Godfather. wrote:
So to use a PJTEN member's user name "gimisometruth", what the heck is really going on here ?
and can ANYBODY prove proof positive that climate change is a direct result of pollution.
Godfather.
Dude, you're missing the point of the OP's subject. There is no proof, but why do Republicans feel the need to fight against having some respect for our environment? That's the question. Why destroy the air quality we breathe in?
And why do some people litter, exactly? Where exactly do they think all that trash is magically going?
I don't know why the Republican's do that, I could only guess, why do the dem's need so much money to even
address the problem, as you said, it starts with us to keep it clean.....new thought..have you paid to go the dump latley ? , that might be part of the issue also.
Godfather.
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Jeanwah wrote:
Dude, you're missing the point of the OP's subject. There is no proof, but why do Republicans feel the need to fight against having some respect for our environment? That's the question. Why destroy the air quality we breathe in?
Why does everything have to be about parties? Not all Republicans fight against respect for the environment. In fact, most I know respect the environment via recycling, conservation, etc. I also know a few liberals who could not give a damn about the environment. Parties have little to do with it. There are people who fight for it and there are people who fight against it. It has nothing to do with respect, but, rather, how we handle the environment and the issues that surround our methods of handling it."Speak clearly if you speak at all; carve every word before you let it fall"
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craigb wrote:Why does everything have to be about parties? Not all Republicans fight against respect for the environment. In fact, most I know respect the environment via recycling, conservation, etc. I also know a few liberals who could not give a damn about the environment. Parties have little to do with it. There are people who fight for it and there are people who fight against it. It has nothing to do with respect, but, rather, how we handle the environment and the issues that surround our methods of handling it.
you're right - it shouldn't be about parties but for some reason it has become a partisan issue ... these days for some reason (and this is a recent phenomenon) the right can be classified as anti-environment while the left is considered pro-environment ... all relative of course ...0 -
Its Evolution Baby wrote:I remember last year that ass hat Sean Hannity complaining that he loves his SUV and doesn't want to stop driving it. And I'm thinking you dolt why don't you by the hybrid SUV that is on the market. He can certainly afford it.
:eh: Actually it is a hybird that he drives. Maybe at that time he didn't ,but he does now.0 -
Im all in for not polluting the air , recycling, and doing whatever else I can,but what the EPA is doing right now is wrong. It's environmental statism.0
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