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keeponrockin

prfctlefts wrote:

Commy wrote:

the once prestigious nobel prize.

when kissinger got it people thought twice about it....now that obama has one....how can you be commanding 2 wars and receive a peace prize? its lost all credibility.

I don't blame obama. it's not like he nominated himself. I think they just did it to bash bush personally but I also think it gives us as a country a good image or at least a better one.

What he said. How could we blame Obama? It's not like he picked himself.

Godfather.

keeponrockin wrote:

Byrnzie wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

are you aginst American people owning firearms ?

In light of the amount of damage it does, yes.

Agreed.

I guarantee you those 4 police officers in Washington would still be alive if guns weren't so easy to obtain. I don't think we can argue that.

no offense my friend but that's weak but while your at it why don't we out-law booze,cigarettes,fast food (to save the fat people from heat attacks) you know all that bad stuff that kills more people than people with guns do.
what needs to done is enforce the death penalty,the world is full of bad people that will kill by any means possible be it with a gun or drugs or a knife etc.,out lawing guns will only limit a Americans means of self defense and the right to keep and bare arms.
all this is only my opinion and from here on out I will keep them to myself..till its time to vote,seems thats all we have to defend our way of life,"voting for the best liar."

Godfather.

keeponrockin

The difference between the two is hand guns are specifically designed to kill PEOPLE. Fast food isn't designed to kill. Alcohol isn't designed to kill. Cigarettes, well, I think the world would be a better place if those were banned, but that's just me.

Godfather.

keeponrockin wrote:

The difference between the two is hand guns are specifically designed to kill PEOPLE. Fast food isn't designed to kill. Alcohol isn't designed to kill. Cigarettes, well, I think the world would be a better place if those were banned, but that's just me.

it's all good.

Godfather.

Byrnzie

Godfather. wrote:

what needs to done is enforce the death penalty,the world is full of bad people that will kill by any means possible be it with a gun or drugs or a knife etc.,

So you think the solution to murder is state-sanctioned murder? Murder the murderer!

The death penalty is sick, twisted and ultimately useless. No country can claim to be civilised as long as it engages in the clinical murder of it's citizens.

brandon10

Godfather. wrote:

Byrnzie wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

are you aginst American people owning firearms ?

I guarantee you those 4 police officers in Washington would still be alive if guns weren't so easy to obtain. I don't think we can argue that.

no offense my friend but that's weak but while your at it why don't we out-law booze,cigarettes,fast food (to save the fat people from heat attacks) you know all that bad stuff that kills more people than people with guns do.
what needs to done is enforce the death penalty,the world is full of bad people that will kill by any means possible be it with a gun or drugs or a knife etc.,out lawing guns will only limit a Americans means of self defense and the right to keep and bare arms.
all this is only my opinion and from here on out I will keep them to myself..till its time to vote,seems thats all we have to defend our way of life,"voting for the best liar."

Godfather.

So many Americans are such pussies. Can't fight without a gun.

And it's funny how many Americans think their government is out to get them. Like if they don't have guns the govt will kill them. How do people in all these other countries protect themselves from their govts without guns? Maybe it's because the American govt kills so many people around the world that America's own citizens think they need guns to protect themselves when the govt turns on them next??? And people wonder why Iran and N.Korea want to build arms to protect themselves? :roll:

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prfctlefts wrote:

Commy wrote:

the once prestigious nobel prize.

when kissinger got it people thought twice about it....now that obama has one....how can you be commanding 2 wars and receive a peace prize? its lost all credibility.

I don't blame obama. it's not like he nominated himself. I think they just did it to bash bush personally but I also think it gives us as a country a good image or at least a better one.

It just goes to show how bad G. Bush had this country, that this country turned to an unknown like Obama to preside over it for 4 years.

I like this quote......Archbishop Desmond Tutu on President Obama:

“He Is Now a Nobel Laureate—Become What You Are”

No matter how or why it was given have your actions speak like the prize.

Peace

Godfather.

so brandon...do you own a gun ?
your post was clearly to get a me and sounded like the ramblings of a tree hugger.
it's not only a matter of protection to own a gun it's also a right,it's a right your uncle obama
would like to take away from us...wake up skippy and do your home work before you vote
and don't do the internet tough guy thing it's really useless if you can't see beyond the monitor.
have nice day...

Godfather.

Byrnzie

Godfather. wrote:

it's not only a matter of protection to own a gun it's also a right

You make it sound like a good thing.


Take another look at these stats...I don't see any protection going on here, just death. There's a pretty big drop-off between 1st and 2nd place in the murder rankings:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co ... death_rate

Total firearm-related homicides of developed countries:

United States 11.66
Finland 6.86
Northern Ireland 6.82
Switzerland 6.40
France 6.35

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Godfather. wrote:

so brandon...do you own a gun ?
your post was clearly to get a me and sounded like the ramblings of a tree hugger.
it's not only a matter of protection to own a gun it's also a right,it's a right your uncle obama
would like to take away from us...wake up skippy and do your home work before you vote
and don't do the internet tough guy thing it's really useless if you can't see beyond the monitor.
have nice day...

Godfather.

Can you point out where President Obama would like to take this right away?

Peace

Godfather.

Byrnzie wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

it's not only a matter of protection to own a gun it's also a right

You make it sound like a good thing.


Take another look at these stats...I don't see any protection going on here, just death. There's a pretty big drop-off between 1st and 2nd place in the murder rankings:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co ... death_rate

Total firearm-related homicides of developed countries:

United States 11.66
Finland 6.86
Northern Ireland 6.82
Switzerland 6.40
France 6.35

I know the #'s are ugly but can you compare them to the #'s of death's caused by other thing's ?
such as cig's (I am a smoker trying to quit) obesity or booze related death's ?
my whole look on this is my right to keep and bare arms along with other rights I don't want to give up
also what % of the gun related death were self defense ? or accidental ?
well it's just what I feel is important to me and my Rights,it's not that I need a gun it's the right
and the option to have a gun if I choose and it's not any politician's right to take that or any right
away from me.

Godfather.

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Godfather. wrote:

Byrnzie wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

it's not only a matter of protection to own a gun it's also a right

You make it sound like a good thing.


Take another look at these stats...I don't see any protection going on here, just death. There's a pretty big drop-off between 1st and 2nd place in the murder rankings:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co ... death_rate

Total firearm-related homicides of developed countries:

United States 11.66
Finland 6.86
Northern Ireland 6.82
Switzerland 6.40
France 6.35

I know the #'s are ugly but can you compare them to the #'s of death's caused by other thing's ?
such as cig's (I am a smoker trying to quit) obesity or booze related death's ?
my whole look on this is my right to keep and bare arms along with other rights I don't want to give up
also what % of the gun related death were self defense ? or accidental ?
well it's just what I feel is important to me and my Rights,it's not that I need a gun it's the right
and the option to have a gun if I choose and it's not any politician's right to take that or any right
away from me.

Godfather.

The odd thing is, China with the worlds largest population is nowhere to be found on that complete list.

Peace

Godfather.

guy's we shouldn't compare our selfs to any one else, it most countries it is very different from ours
but thats why we are here in the first place right, most of those people in those other countries
would do.....and do just about anything to get here.

Godfather.

keeponrockin

Godfather, like I said before, the difference between Alcohol and Cars.. Compared to guns, is guns are designed to kill. I believe that entire argument of 'well other things kill too' is shut down by that fact. What do you think of that? I'm not trying to bait, I would just HONESTLY like to hear a good pro-gun argument.

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Godfather. wrote:

guy's we shouldn't compare our selfs to any one else, it most countries it is very different from ours
but thats why we are here in the first place right, most of those people in those other countries
would do.....and do just about anything to get here.

Godfather.

Really, is that a fact or is that your assumption? Also, I'm still waiting for an answer to my question about President Obama taking away our rights to own a gun, can you point that out for me?

Peace

Shawshank

Byrnzie wrote:

It's interesting to note that China's murder rate is half that of the U.S. I'll keep that in mind for the next time someone on this board refers to China as [and I quote] "a fucked-up bullshit country".

Yes, but the state sanctioned murder rate of your beloved country is over 3 times that of the U.S. Let's also bear in mind that the actual number of executions will never be known and could possibly be much higher, these figures are just based on confirmed executions. I think the point is, if you fuck around in China, people know there are consequences. Unfortunately, responsibility and consequences are something that this country is in dire need of.

Godfather.

g under p wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

guy's we shouldn't compare our selfs to any one else, it most countries it is very different from ours
but thats why we are here in the first place right, most of those people in those other countries
would do.....and do just about anything to get here.

Godfather.

Really, is that a fact or is that your assumption? Also, I'm still waiting for an answer to my question about President Obama taking away our rights to own a gun, can you point that out for me?

Peace

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Godfather.

http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/TPV3/New ... un-control

Godfather.

keeponrockin wrote:

Godfather, like I said before, the difference between Alcohol and Cars.. Compared to guns, is guns are designed to kill. I believe that entire argument of 'well other things kill too' is shut down by that fact. What do you think of that? I'm not trying to bait, I would just HONESTLY like to hear a good pro-gun argument.

"guns are designed to kill".....very true,that was the whole idea and it's also why we live in a free country,it would not have happened if not for the gun, over 200 years of freedom thanks to Superior fire power
gun's were and still are a very important tool for survival and freedom, not to mention sport's like hunting
trap shooting and so on, I think I understand where you are coming from and it's a shame that a weapon is used for crimes but my point is many thing are used for crimes but those thing's are accepted by the population
as harmless and we have to have them.*(cars,computers,etc.)

Godfather.

VINNY GOOMBA

keeponrockin wrote:

Godfather, like I said before, the difference between Alcohol and Cars.. Compared to guns, is guns are designed to kill. I believe that entire argument of 'well other things kill too' is shut down by that fact. What do you think of that? I'm not trying to bait, I would just HONESTLY like to hear a good pro-gun argument.

Guns exist, and always will, unless someone invents a time machine and goes back hundreds of years and changes history. All the laws in the world WILL keep law-abiding citizens from having them-- but violent criminals do not care for the law. Therefore, they will ALWAYS have access to guns through illegal means. Lifting restrictions on citizens having guns levels the playing field for people who want to protect themselves and their families. The idea of civillians being potentially armed would probably be a much bigger deterrent to a criminal than the death penalty-- when it comes to self defense, there is no trial, no jury, no appeals. It is the right of every individual to be able to defend him or herself from harm.

If the pilots were armed on 9/11, the attacks may not have happened.

I'm not a fan of guns by any means-- I don't own one, and have never fired one. But I'll say, especially living in NY where there is always talk of more gun control, even to the point of laws registering and stamping bullets, it really makes me want to get one before it becomes impossible... Forbidden fruit? Maybe. That, and I live in a pretty rough area-- but hey, I love it. The cops can't be everywhere, and even if they could, why would you want them to be?

Also, an armed citizenry IS the last line of defense between the people and an oppressive foreign or domestic government (empire). I do not consider us so special here on this piece of soil that we are 100% exempt from either one of them ever doing it to us-- after all, we are humans, and we are living history. You may not like guns, or "gun-nuts" but they may very well be one of the most important insurance policies that you have, and the best part is, you're getting it for free!

Godfather.

VINNY GOOMBA wrote:

keeponrockin wrote:

Godfather, like I said before, the difference between Alcohol and Cars.. Compared to guns, is guns are designed to kill. I believe that entire argument of 'well other things kill too' is shut down by that fact. What do you think of that? I'm not trying to bait, I would just HONESTLY like to hear a good pro-gun argument.

Guns exist, and always will, unless someone invents a time machine and goes back hundreds of years and changes history. All the laws in the world WILL keep law-abiding citizens from having them-- but violent criminals do not care for the law. Therefore, they will ALWAYS have access to guns through illegal means. Lifting restrictions on citizens having guns levels the playing field for people who want to protect themselves and their families. The idea of civillians being potentially armed would probably be a much bigger deterrent to a criminal than the death penalty-- when it comes to self defense, there is no trial, no jury, no appeals. It is the right of every individual to be able to defend him or herself from harm.

If the pilots were armed on 9/11, the attacks may not have happened.

I'm not a fan of guns by any means-- I don't own one, and have never fired one. But I'll say, especially living in NY where there is always talk of more gun control, even to the point of laws registering and stamping bullets, it really makes me want to get one before it becomes impossible... Forbidden fruit? Maybe. That, and I live in a pretty rough area-- but hey, I love it. The cops can't be everywhere, and even if they could, why would you want them to be?

Also, an armed citizenry IS the last line of defense between the people and an oppressive foreign or domestic government (empire). I do not consider us so special here on this piece of soil that we are 100% exempt from either one of them ever doing it to us-- after all, we are humans, and we are living history. You may not like guns, or "gun-nuts" but they may very well be one of the most important insurance policies that you have, and the best part is, you're getting it for free!

well said......I think I'm gonna cry

Godfather.