If this doesn't wake you up nothing will.....

gimmesometruth27

death panels? are we still talking about this rubbish?

the public option is dead in the senate bill so all of you government fearing righties can relax....

OffHeGoes29

Byrnzie wrote:

I know it isn't. You get free health care here.
I had an operation on my mouth last week to sort out a gum infection. It cost me nothing.

I hope you are joking about being from China...because if its true....then you really should stop posting...its rather hypocritical.

Byrnzie

OffHeGoes29 wrote:

I hope you are joking about being from China...because if its true....then you really should stop posting...its rather hypocritical.

I never said I was from China. But I do live here now. And that fact alone does not make me in any way hypocritical, and it also doesn't mean that I shouldn't post here.

Byrnzie

aerial wrote:

Can’t you see it will not change....the privilege will still be able to afford to pay for there extra medical needs....the only difference will be the government will be making decisions on who is worthy of certain procedures if they are not wealthy enough to cover it themselves .....also there plan will still not cover everyone......personally I do not want the government making the decisions....it’s really hard for me to comprehend there are actually people on here that feel it’s a good idea to cut out care to improve the elderly’s quality of life....some of you are just proving that there will be some sort of panel ( 80 year olds don't need surgery there just going to die anyway) will be put into place, be it a so called death panel or maybe a quality of life panel... we can just halt all research that will able humans to extend there lives via a cure......well just cures for the elderly

I grew up in, and lived most of my life in England. I've always known a free health service - The National Health Service [NHS]. Trust me when I say that what you've posted here is complete guff. There are no 'panels' who sit there and decide who should or shouldn't be treated. You make it sound like the selections at Auschwitz. It's nonsense. I dread to think what crap the right wing media in the U.S is busy feeding people at the moment with regards to this issue.

OffHeGoes29

Commy wrote:

china bad. USA good.

if you ignore the defintion of extremism for a second....bombing churches and wedding and funerals.....all to fight extremism, sure. nothing extreme about that.


i'll take china's health care over this fucked up profit based system any day.

Seriously? Lets not get off on a tangent here, I know deep down inside you don't really want to live there. We can start a whole thread based on China's lack of human/worker's rights.....I hear North Korea is nice this time of year as well, they say its a paridise if thats what you're into.

OffHeGoes29

Byrnzie wrote:

OffHeGoes29 wrote:

I hope you are joking about being from China...because if its true....then you really should stop posting...its rather hypocritical.

I never said I was from China. But I do live here now. And that fact alone does not make me in any way hypocritical, and it also doesn't mean that I shouldn't post here.

So how did you end up there?

Byrnzie

OffHeGoes29 wrote:

Byrnzie wrote:

OffHeGoes29 wrote:

I hope you are joking about being from China...because if its true....then you really should stop posting...its rather hypocritical.

I never said I was from China. But I do live here now. And that fact alone does not make me in any way hypocritical, and it also doesn't mean that I shouldn't post here.

So how did you end up there?

There's these things called airplanes.

gimmesometruth27

I love it how people around here tell people that because they reside in a different country that they should not post here or that they are hypocrates. god forbid any of us ever get exposed to different perspectives. why not try to learn something from someone who has experienced the health care system of other countries???

OffHeGoes29

Byrnzie wrote:

There's these things called airplanes.

Hopefully not Chinese buit?

OffHeGoes29

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

I love it how people around here tell people that because they reside in a different country that they should not post here or that they are hypocrates. god forbid any of us ever get exposed to different perspectives. why not try to learn something from someone who has experienced the health care system of other countries???

Not at all.....I just have a problem when people who aren't from the US paint it as such a horrible place when they live in a truly oppressive government.

gimmesometruth27

OffHeGoes29 wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

I love it how people around here tell people that because they reside in a different country that they should not post here or that they are hypocrates. god forbid any of us ever get exposed to different perspectives. why not try to learn something from someone who has experienced the health care system of other countries???

Not at all.....I just have a problem when people who aren't from the US paint it as such a horrible place when they live in a truly oppressive government.

so you think we have an amazing health care system? seems to me we can't take care of our own people and other countries can, so we must not be as great as we all seem to think we are.

Byrnzie

OffHeGoes29 wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

I love it how people around here tell people that because they reside in a different country that they should not post here or that they are hypocrates. god forbid any of us ever get exposed to different perspectives. why not try to learn something from someone who has experienced the health care system of other countries???

Not at all.....I just have a problem when people who aren't from the US paint it as such a horrible place when they live in a truly oppressive government.

I never said America was a horrible place. We were discussing the health care system in America - or lack of - which currently is a fucking disgrace. I also have a lot of negative things to say about American politicians and U.S foreign policy, but that doesn't mean I think America is a horrible place or that the American people are horrible. That would involve way too much generalization for me to manage.

Have you seen the movie 'Sicko'?

OffHeGoes29

Byrnzie wrote:

OffHeGoes29 wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

I love it how people around here tell people that because they reside in a different country that they should not post here or that they are hypocrates. god forbid any of us ever get exposed to different perspectives. why not try to learn something from someone who has experienced the health care system of other countries???

Not at all.....I just have a problem when people who aren't from the US paint it as such a horrible place when they live in a truly oppressive government.

I never said America was a horrible place. We were discussing the health care system in America - or lack of - which currently is a fucking disgrace. I also have a lot of negative things to say about American politicians and U.S foreign policy, but that doesn't mean I think America is a horrible place or that the American people are horrible. That would involve way too much generalization for even me to manage.

Have you seen the movie 'Sicko'?

Nope, and I don't watch Fox news for the same reason.

OffHeGoes29

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

OffHeGoes29 wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

I love it how people around here tell people that because they reside in a different country that they should not post here or that they are hypocrates. god forbid any of us ever get exposed to different perspectives. why not try to learn something from someone who has experienced the health care system of other countries???

Not at all.....I just have a problem when people who aren't from the US paint it as such a horrible place when they live in a truly oppressive government.

so you think we have an amazing health care system? seems to me we can't take care of our own people and other countries can, so we must not be as great as we all seem to think we are.

Its not perfect, and I never said it was. I've lived in Europe and Asia for many years, and as wonderful and eye opening as it was, I still like it here in the US, and the same reason thousands of immigrants that poor into this country every year. How many Chinese immigrants come here every year vs US immigrants to China?

meme

prfctlefts wrote:

What has remained puzzling is how exactly this rationing will be determined for the rest of us. Similarly elusive is how the new Health Benefits Advisory Committee will decide whether or not you get certain medical treatments, regardless of the opinion of your doctor. After all, how do you put a dollar value on a human life?

I only read up to this point. I should know better than engage in this discussion, but I genuinely can't fathom how anyone who has a concern about doctors not being the only ones to decide about care, and about not putting a dollar value on a human life would prefer the current system.

I am wide a wake and lived most of my life in a country with a "public option." I have never been denied care. On the other hand, my husband and I really have to fight the American health insurance companies to have his cardiology visit covered. I will never get it, I am afraid.

g under p

Has anybody ever seen the movie *Critical Care* 1997?

A satitrical look at hospital care, corrupt insurance companies and greedy, cynical doctors who work not to save lives but to line their pockets.

Love the tagline: At Memorial Hospital no one ever dies... Until their insurance runs out.

Peace

Hugh Freaking Dillon

the general right act as if they think their senator will be pouring over each and every medical procedure, and giving them the green stamp or the red. the government is NOT going to be making the decisions people! doctors do! the only thing they make the decision on is how much funding goes where. while that system is not perfect, it's better than an insurance company telling you there's NO money to cover you.