It's a touchy subject because people are afraid of offending disable people. I remember back in middle school I was friends with a kid who had cerebral palsy. Now, I was always a ballbreaker growing up (and still am ), so I would always be making smartass comments in class/with my classmates, and for the most part people thought they were funny, including my teachers. So one day at lunch my friend (kid with CP) starts breaking my balls about how I failed this test...so I returned with a comment about how his arm was disabled...sounds asshole-ish but I was actually friends with this kid so he did not care at all and laughed it off like it was nothing. I laughed it off like it was nothing too because when you're friends with someone with a disability you sometimes forget about that disability completely.
Well turns out some bitch (yes a girl) sitting at the lunch table heard my comment and told the principal. So the principal calls me, my parents, my friend, and his parents into school and breaks the big news that I'm getting suspended. YES they were suspending me. And I laughed. And my friend laughed. And our parents laughed. It was all so stupid because we can tell the principal was trying to be a hero by suspending me because she thought that my friend was "damaged" or something by my comments I guess. Well guess what...I called my principal out on how she was totally unaware we were friends and that by suspending me she was pretty much proving her own lack of awareness for people with disabilities. So at the end of the day not only was I not suspended, but the bitch who told on me got a detention. LOL she was pissed.
So bottom line, I don't think disability awareness is something that should be taught in schools. Yes we should be aware, but it's kind of up to the parents. Disabled people aren't a minority group either, imo. I'm not trying to call you out blondieblue, but I think the people who say the disabled make up a minority group are trying to push them out of society even farther than they already get pushed (unfortunately). Parents...teach your kids that people with disabilities are no different than anyone else, and your kids should be fine.
i can see your point but i believe that you just can't hav eparenst doing this. you need schools doing this also. people with disabilities are still people which is what i think you are saying here but considering that we have parents who teach their kids that another race is crap and that people with different sexual beliefs are damm to hell i am not confortable in just having parents doing the teaching only. that just my point of view.
The problem is that the parents themselves do not always know how to educate their children, unfortunately. I STILL get amazed at my children's friends who behaved improperly with me and when I corrected them, they said it was what their parents told them. :-/ Then I have to contact their parents and educate them.
Suppose most were educated then eventually perhaps just the facts, like Blondie stated, would only be shared. I disagree with her on the sensitivity part... that is badly needed.
I grew up with kids making fun of my group - yes kids are just kids, I get that. But when they are exposed and educated properly, then it becomes less of an issue - like your friend, for example. But for others who aren't friends with them, they are more likely to treat them poorly.
It is better if they were around them and putting their education to use. That sounds horrible, as if we were a zoo on display. :P
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i can see your point but i believe that you just can't hav eparenst doing this. you need schools doing this also. people with disabilities are still people which is what i think you are saying here but considering that we have parents who teach their kids that another race is crap and that people with different sexual beliefs are damm to hell i am not confortable in just having parents doing the teaching only. that just my point of view.
Excellent point there, fife.
When my oldest three children of four were young in elementary school, sometimes they'd come home crying and saying that their friends weren't allowed to sleep over because of me - that I couldn't possibly care for them.
:shock: *growls*
I confronted those parents - politely, of course. I am not an angry person, as it may seem like that from the way I write sometimes.
I'd bring up what my child told me and the mom would be defending herself going, "I don't mean to offend you, honestly! I think you are a great mom! Your child is so smart, it's truly amazing..."
I'm thinking, Jesus you are really insulting me!! ARGGH!!
"...but what if my child gets hurt? How are you going to dial 911? How can we communicate??!"
I pointed out that all of my children are in one piece as a joke. It's not like I am going to leave them unattended because I know what my responsibilities as a parent. I pointed out that I can make phone calls through an equipment - a relay system, a third party that interprets between the parties. I offered her to come over so that I could show her. Alternative method would be e-mail, which I frequently check.
And there are several ways a child can get my attention - by flickering the switch in a room, tapping my shoulder, or if there is another person in the room with me who can hear, to request for my attention.
And I explained that I was still using the baby monitor system in my room which alerts me for any sounds during the night - the lights would go off.
That's one example of uneducated parents.
And another example of the prejudiced parents who have issues with me for personal reasons such as their child's break-up with one of my children, or a friendship that ended in bitter.
"That's because of her mother... don't blame that kid, s/he'll have a hard time in life."
"Poor husband... imagine how hard it is for him to be married to her, doing all the work."
"She shouldn't be even allowed to drive... she's putting all of our lives in danger!"
Good god....we are supposed to be the smartest human beings on this earth, yet we are the stupidest as fuck!
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O gawd I didn’t even think about a bad interpreter in school. That would be so unfair! I didn’t get a consistent aide until 6th grade. In 4th they gave me a slacker. I was so upset! It all worked out thou because in 6th I was paired with the best aide in the world. I think she knew how important it was to have the same person each year. I was so lucky. Back then it was rough, been a teen, parents going thru a divorce yada yada, she was really there for me.
A boy that was deaf sat next to me in bio class. Brad. He always had the same interpreter. I guess he liked her because she was there every year. What you went thru sounds like hell. It’s infuriating when your help is slack which causes you to fail.
Uh oh! No good. Don’t be with anybody because people think ‘well, you’re disabled. You’re lucky to have anybody.’ That is bad so bad. Sounds like he wanted to sign, rather then be your boyfriend. Lame. He was plain as day using you. Horrible.
Great post fife.
I’m of the same mind set. When one group isn’t doing good, it effects us all in the long run.
First exit: I’m glad you posted. The disabled community has a stereotype of being damaged. You’re right about that. That stereotype needs to be broken. Maybe that can be done with teaching disability history. I believe if kids had already been learning about it, you would’ve never got suspended. See my point? Learning takes the stereotype of damaged away.
And again, I think you may be thinking about disability sensitivity training which IS NOT what the FB cause is about.
Frankly the whole world needs sensitivity training. Towards everybody, not just towards the disability community. That is a big feat to accomplish. Way too big a project for schools.
If you read thru this thread you’ll see it’s about facts in the school books that need to be added, not a ‘how to treat somebody’ school book.
And I agree with you. This world has gotten too PC.
I was asked to do this workshop recently. It was how to treat a person with a disability that was coming to apply to live in an apartment build.
It was how you may be discriminating, when you don’t even realize you are.
Don’t say this, don’t say that.
While I was glad people were learning to be comfortable, I couldn’t help wonder… If you fill people’s head with all these rules, will they help, or make them scared to talk to people with disabilities at all?
When I got home I emailed those thoughts to the lady who ran it.
I wish that principal would’ve talked to that boy before he suspended you. In my opinion suspending you makes the disabled community even more damaged. It perpetuates the stereotype. you're right. i'm glad you told her that. good for you.
Way back when Obama made that joke about the Special Olympics on Leno. Everybody got in an uproar on behalf of the disabled community.
It was complete BULLSHIT. The people with disabilities on a chatboard I go to for people with disabilities weren’t that fired up at all.
Never get upset or speak for somebody without going to them first. We have a voice, don’t get upset for us because it’s the PC thing to do.
Hell I made a lot my friends in school by joking on my disability. It’s the elephant in the room you can’t ignore it. one of my best friends joked on my disability around other kids. ‘Oh wait, is blondieblue going to get mad? Oh snap! She’s laughing too!’
I’m glad she did it. it wasn’t in a hurtful manor. It made the kids more comfortable around me. (lol and no. nobody was suspended)
and may be if people were more comfortable those parents would be ok with their kids staying at iammines house.
People need to be more comfortable around disabilities, that is one reason why the facts of the disability rights movement should be put in textbooks.
And lastly, a minority group is when there’s more people that aren’t like you in a population.
Surely they aren’t more people with disabilities on this planet than abled-bodied people? hehehe
lastly pt2. lol!
Parents...teach your kids that people with disabilities are no different than anyone else, and your kids should be fine.
been trying to prove that all my life to people. you think it would be pretty simple. it is a simple idea. it really is. but after 30 years in this body (and the countless people with disabilities before me) and what i've been thru, i see that it's not. there's got to be more to it because it's not working. there's more to it than just telling your kids to treat us like everybody else. this teaching facts about the disability rights movement is a start.
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As usual... you've got it right, blondie! Thanks for the clarification and emphasizing what was being discussed.
As usual, I got off the track emotionally. That is so me... :P
Yeah, as I grew older and looking back, he was using me a lot. :P I even got upset when I saw him adding on his college applications - even job resumes - listing ASL courses he took and how he "volunteered" to sign.
Motherf**ker.
Yeah, that Brad kid seems like a lucky kid - it's really much much better if you had the same interpreter all the time and you both worked well together. That's not often... hail hail, Brad!
Anyway, you made your points very well. Dammit, I need to re-take my public speaking courses again - focus and staying on the main points! Heh.
But yeah you are right... it's way too much to explain all the rules, what to say, what not to say... it scares people away, that's for sure!
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Hell I made a lot my friends in school by joking on my disability. It’s the elephant in the room you can’t ignore it. one of my best friends joked on my disability around other kids. ‘Oh wait, is blondieblue going to get mad? Oh snap! She’s laughing too!’
I’m glad she did it. it wasn’t in a hurtful manor. It made the kids more comfortable around me.
and may be if people were more comfortable those parents would be ok with their kids staying at iammines house.
No kidding!
I do joke about myself too... sometimes it's the best way to break the ice! And I am not bettling myself either, but to make them comfortable in asking questions if they were curious without worrying about offending me.
For example, when I see their curiosity surfacing but maybe afraid to ask... I'd bring up this funny story about how one hearing student in college was shocked when I pulled out the keys to my car.
"You can drive?! But how if you can't hear?!"
"Ohhhh... they got this special device in the steering wheel. When the light changes colors, there is a loud blaring going off to alert me to press or let go of the gas pedestal."
"Really??!! WOW!!!!!!!!"
I just smile and start laughing. Then he started to realize it was a joke... and started laughing at himself, slamming his forehead.
That usually got some laughs.
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i dunno.......
first exit after reading this thread, you may take it too far. but i don't know you so....
but i'm thinking twice now about your story.
here's the thing, do you joke on everybody or on only people that are different from you?
Wow. I learned a lot just from the couple of sentences in your original post. I had no idea the Disability Rights movement was that old.
same here... it's something I never really gave much thought to I guess :oops: and it's probably something many people here don't give much thought to either unless it's something you're effected by, which kinda proves the op's point. There is no real way of arguing against this :oops:
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but if you want to disagree too that fine. opens up a chance to advocate!
(that is if people want to bother to read what i have to say)
That's right!
Helen is a cool cat, too.
I clicked on FirstExit's thread... see what you mean. I'd like to see his explanation, too.
But what failed in that thread, as you've pointed out to him, that people should talk to the affected person first - like the principal talking to that boy first before taking any actions.
People just should have alerted Dimitris and it was up to him to say something or ignore... what do you think?
Another education here I want to take opportunity too!
Please do not ever ask another person to talk for that person... it drives me fucking nuts.
My husband is so well trained on that, as my children. They are taught to never speak on my behalf - at least with my permission. I have NEVER asked my children to interpret for me - I have heard horrible stories how it impacted children of deaf parents who relied so much on them to speak for them. I cannot imagine doing that to my children. *I* take care of them, not the other way around!
For example, "tell her...ask your mother..." They stop right there immediately and say "You can talk to her yourself... here's how..."
I still get that everyday, even from some of my neighbors when they try to talk through my kids. "Please don't do that again, ok? You can talk to me, not them. I am the parent here so I would appreciate that you do this way next time..."
Oh well... I still educate, educate, educate...
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Good for you not letting your kids do that! It makes me
I had a friend with a SCI. spinal cord injury. She once told me she kinda wanted kids so they could take care of her.
My reaction: WTF! sounds like child labor to me.
I think she was just babbling and it slipped out. But still!
'People just should have alerted Dimitris and it was up to him to say something or ignore... what do you think?'
yeah
i woulda like to seen what he had to say before they locked it. he probably saw it, it was pretty long and he's always on here. he's my boy, he sent me a PJ magazine.
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but if you want to disagree too that fine. opens up a chance to advocate!
(that is if people want to bother to read what i have to say)
if you really want an eye full click on my 3w button.
do ya know... I did wanna disagree... and I was all set to... and then I thought about all my points and if you replaced 'disabled' with 'black' or 'Irish' or whatever in the points, it would have been incredibly offensive... and yet, for some reason, it is perfectably acceptable to simply brush aside disabled people in this day and age. It's a different form of discrimination... cos everybody wants to accept disabilities, we just don't wanna talk about it or really care either way.
Thanks for this thread... it's something I've never given a moments thought to... cos we generally don't consider disabled people at all :oops: . People are right.... seems you WOULD make a great spokesperson!
Reading you two... when I think about things I consider 'obstacles' or 'challenges'... makes me feel incredibly weakminded. You're both very inspirational
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Yeah I don’t understand for the life of me why the disabled community still gets brushed aside (as you put it) in this day and age.
I’ve pondered it so much I wrote a longass paper about it. and I don’t expect people to read the whole thing but....
The Lack of Progression by the Disabled Community http://www.ivykennedy.com/letters/paper.htm
it's the longest thing i've written.........but it just poured outta me. lol!
People are right.... seems you WOULD make a great spokesperson!
Reading you two... when I think about things I consider 'obstacles' or 'challenges'... makes me feel incredibly weakminded. You're both very inspirational
thank you.
i do what i can. i have my website, my little local advoacy group, go to my states General Assembly each year to speak, volunteer at a home for severely disabled children.
and i've thought about having a shirt made. (i'm such a smartass)
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i'm YOUR inspiration
actually Ed inspires me. i know a lot of people want him to shut up and sing. but i really keep that in mind too because it seems a few want the disabled community to shut up and go away. but i'm not gonna!
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actually Ed inspires me. i know a lot of people want him to shut up and sing. but i really keep that in mind too because it seems a few want the disabled community to shut up and go away. but i'm not gonna!
Hahahaha! I kiss-fist you!! That's in ASL - several meanings depending what it's about. In this case, I love/admire/adore you! I tried to write in English how to do that in ASL... it didn't come out right!
So I decided to google that on YouTube and was surprised I had forgotten about this video - one of my deaf friends, John, who is a comedian!
And I'd like to show this online maganize called "Kiss-Fist" - beautifully done by and run by the Deaf people. Blondie, Bjorn Storm was in one of the previous issues too. http://kiss-fist.com/issue/6
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i dunno.......
first exit after reading this thread, you may take it too far. but i don't know you so....
but i'm thinking twice now about your story.
here's the thing, do you joke on everybody or on only people that are different from you?
OMG! You won’t belive what did! I turned on my speakers I thought there was an overdub of what he was saying!
Jeez - I left my speakers off... the only time I'd turn it on is when I listen to music! Everything else - I turn it off.
Sorry about that!! I would have said to make sure to turn off your speakers before watching people in sign language!
When I do my videos in sign language, I always turn off my microphone! And always double-checked by turning on the speakers to make sure there is no sound in my video. They don't realize that it's making noises... but oh well. I don't want to tell them 'cause it might come off as telling them what to do, you know like... "What? You are worried about how hearing people will look at us?" No, I'm not... never mind. Turn it all the way up for all I care! I'll just turn off my speakers. Pfft.
Thanks for this thread... it's something I've never given a moments thought to... cos we generally don't consider disabled people at all :oops: .
I was thinking about this. What you said. it took guts for you to say that. I tend to agree with that statement.
Some of the disabled community may be hard to look at. Literally. So I guess that makes us easier to ignore. Also I guess if that's so it’s hard to see, that we’re people(like yourself) that we are striving towards equally.
I believe humans are extremely visual. What you judge somebody on right off the bat rather you realize you’re doing it, is their looks.
Hell, I feel like a hypocrite to the disabled community cause over this... I’m a powerchair user and I’ve only been attracted to a guy in a wheelchair once. my guy has a disability but physically he’s fine. (he walks)
I also believe humans are evolved enough to get passed the initial moment of seeing a person. You can fight the repulsed feeling because you know not to judge a book by it’s cover. It’s a hard thing to teach yourself thou, but it’s not impossible.
And I know you’ve all heard this before: Knowledge breaks down fear of the unknown. Hence adding the facts about the disability rights movement in children’s textbooks.
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i feel we need to worry about more important things in school.
You don't think this has a natural place in social studies? Teaching young people about tolerance and kindness towards people who are different is not a waste of time. It's one of the best ways to change attitudes in the future.
i don't think schools need to spend in inordinate amount of time on it. i recall when i was in school, we had a kid that had that a problem that would cause him to blurt out stuff at random times. (i forget what it was called), anyways, before he joined the class, the teacher or somebody from the school came in and gave us a five minute speech about it/him.
i guess it's just common sense to treat people with disabilities as you would anybody else. well, maybe you hang around a extra minute to hold a door open, or whatnot.
i just don't see the need to spend much time on it in the class room. to me it's more of a parenting issue. ie parents need to raise there kids to be accepting of different people, regardless of it's race, background, family wealth, or physical/mental disablilty.
but since this is 2009, the school needs to be responsible for all parental functions.
facts. just the facts!
i want to see facts in textbooks about the disability right movement.
not a pamplet insert on how to treat people with disabilities.
why is that so hard to understand?
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i guess i'm still missing something....
are you looking for something like...
and in 1965, new buildings were required to be wheel chair accessable. this came about as the result of joe blow's decade long campaing to "free" the disabled from there imprisonment in a not handicap accessable world. Joe was a life long advocate for disable rights and did this and that ........
and in 1965, new buildings were required to be wheel chair accessable. this came about as the result of joe blow's decade long campaing to "free" the disabled from there imprisonment in a not handicap accessable world. Joe was a life long advocate for disable rights and did this and that ........
that sort of stuff?
right on!
or
the predecessor of the ADA was section 504 of the Rehabilitation Act of 1973.
Section 504 of the Rehabilitation Act of 1973 is a national law that protects qualified individuals from
discrimination based on their disability. The nondiscrimination requirements of the law apply to employers
and organizations that receive financial assistance from any Federal department or agency, including the U.S.
Department of Health and Human Services (DHHS). These organizations and employers include many hospitals,
nursing homes, mental health centers and human service programs.
Section 504 forbids organizations and employers from excluding or denying individuals with disabilities an
equal opportunity to receive program benefits and services. It defines the rights of individuals with disabilities
to participate in, and have access to, program benefits and services.
or
Justin Whitlock Dart, Jr. (August 29, 1930 - June 22, 2002) was an American activist and advocate for the disabled. He helped to pass the Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990 and co-founded the American Association of People with Disabilities (AAPD). he is known as The Father of the Americans with Disabilities Act
1912
The Threat of the Feeble Minded (pamphlet) created a climate of hysteria allowing for massive human rights abuses of people with disabilities, including institutionalization and forced sterilization.
(my friend once told me the reason families hid their kids with disabilities in their homes wasn’t because they weren’t ashamed of them. It was because people would drag them off to institutions. The families were protecting them)
Thanks for this thread... it's something I've never given a moments thought to... cos we generally don't consider disabled people at all :oops: .
I was thinking about this. What you said. it took guts for you to say that. I tend to agree with that statement.
Some of the disabled community may be hard to look at. Literally. So I guess that makes us easier to ignore. Also I guess if that's so it’s hard to see, that we’re people(like yourself) that we are striving towards equally.
I believe humans are extremely visual. What you judge somebody on right off the bat rather you realize you’re doing it, is their looks.
Hell, I feel like a hypocrite to the disabled community cause over this... I’m a powerchair user and I’ve only been attracted to a guy in a wheelchair once. my guy has a disability but physically he’s fine. (he walks)
I also believe humans are evolved enough to get passed the initial moment of seeing a person. You can fight the repulsed feeling because you know not to judge a book by it’s cover. It’s a hard thing to teach yourself thou, but it’s not impossible.
And I know you’ve all heard this before: Knowledge breaks down fear of the unknown. Hence adding the facts about the disability rights movement in children’s textbooks.
I think people should be able to discuss their shortcomings... otherwise how's it going to be addressed? It's not something I'm proud of but I've certainly been guilty of viewing some people with disabilities as 'lesser people' and I don't know why and it's a horrible thing to admit. Sometimes it makes me feel uncomfortable... is it cos I realise how easily it could have been me? There are a few incidences I recall where I could have made that persons day but didn't... why? This is something I'm gonna have to think about :oops:
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Well I think that’s tremendously brave of you to admit that and I want to say THANK YOU! Because no doubt you aren’t the only one that feels like that.
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Well I think that’s tremendously brave of you to admit that and I want to say THANK YOU! Because no doubt you aren’t the only one that feels like that.
No, thank you! You're much more understanding than I'd be :oops:
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i second Blondie... that was very brave and honest.
I think that ALL of us have a degree of prejudice, no matter how little it is. Once i took this prejudice test and thinking I had been exposed more to diverse people than most people I knew, making me 'free' of prejudice and discrimination.
After taking this personal prejudice and discrimination test given to us by our cultural diversity teacher, I was astonished to find out that I was not completely free of prejudice. :shock:
Not a good feeling at all. But it is very important to acknowledge it and be more conscious. I do the same, Helen, asking myself questions why do I think like this and try to understand why/where did that come from? Once I understand, then it helps me how to change how I word things or how to respond.
I also used to look down on my group in subtle ways (without even realizing it) - because they weren't following the majority and not culturally 'hearing' enough because that was how I was raised and being around hearing children more often. It also came from the teachers telling us that we wouldn't make it if we didn't work on 'fitting in' the society (speech therapy and speaking more than signing). Don't follow their culture ways but the majority's culture ways.
It can also be taught subtly through the actions of peers, parents, teachers, so on... it doesn't have to be said aloud.
i second Blondie... that was very brave and honest.
I think that ALL of us have a degree of prejudice, no matter how little it is. Once i took this prejudice test and thinking I had been exposed more to diverse people than most people I knew, making me 'free' of prejudice and discrimination.
After taking this personal prejudice and discrimination test given to us by our cultural diversity teacher, I was astonished to find out that I was not completely free of prejudice. :shock:
Not a good feeling at all. But it is very important to acknowledge it and be more conscious. I do the same, Helen, asking myself questions why do I think like this and try to understand why/where did that come from? Once I understand, then it helps me how to change how I word things or how to respond.
I also used to look down on my group in subtle ways (without even realizing it) - because they weren't following the majority and not culturally 'hearing' enough because that was how I was raised and being around hearing children more often. It also came from the teachers telling us that we wouldn't make it if we didn't work on 'fitting in' the society (speech therapy and speaking more than signing). Don't follow their culture ways but the majority's culture ways.
It can also be taught subtly through the actions of peers, parents, teachers, so on... it doesn't have to be said aloud.
Knowledge breaks down fear of the unknown. Hence adding the facts about the disability rights movement in children’s textbooks.
Yup.
:oops: It's not the first time here I've admitted prejudices... and usually people jump down my throat... or threads have been closed... it's not something that's acceptable to discuss... and that's worrying! It's something I WANT to discuss... and something that I want to change and understand why I behave in such a way... cos I know I'm not the only person in the world who behaves in such a way! But yet, people seem to want to shut ya up straight away and simply say 'you're wrong!'
I think some people DID have a point when they said that if we teach disability history in schools, we'll have to teach the history of every 'minority' and children won't be taught. How about we simply teach tolerance and understanding of everybody?
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Well yeah. The bullying has gotten ridiculous up schools I hear. Teaching tolerance will do a lot of good but I guess some think it’s like teaching religion in school. So there’s an uproar over it. (I’m guessing that’s the reason for opposition) Plus kindness and good will towards men is a much larger project for school alone, it’s a problem across the world. So I’m kinda on the fence on that one. Being nice to one another should be easy, but it’s not.
I’ve learned that at times when you’re honest and people jump down your throat, it’s because they actually see whatever you pointed out in themselves and it freaks them out.
Or
As I said before about the PC effect. It ain’t good. people getting mad on behalf of others.
Just look what happened when I asked a question on here about a race other than my own: http://www.ivykennedy.com/chat/ac.dc.htm
I agree! How the fuck are we going to evolve if people get upset when you ask a question?
So I’m all for teaching tolerance, but I really hope to see the facts of the disability rights movement in school.
Like I said in my paper:
I couldn’t careless if you knew the ends and outs of my disability, and felt sensitivity towards it....just give me my rights!
as for prejudices. as i said before, everybody has them. it's a part of being human. a flaw if you as me. BUT we have the brain power to overcome those feelings.
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i can see your point but i believe that you just can't hav eparenst doing this. you need schools doing this also. people with disabilities are still people which is what i think you are saying here but considering that we have parents who teach their kids that another race is crap and that people with different sexual beliefs are damm to hell i am not confortable in just having parents doing the teaching only. that just my point of view.
The problem is that the parents themselves do not always know how to educate their children, unfortunately. I STILL get amazed at my children's friends who behaved improperly with me and when I corrected them, they said it was what their parents told them. :-/ Then I have to contact their parents and educate them.
Suppose most were educated then eventually perhaps just the facts, like Blondie stated, would only be shared. I disagree with her on the sensitivity part... that is badly needed.
I grew up with kids making fun of my group - yes kids are just kids, I get that. But when they are exposed and educated properly, then it becomes less of an issue - like your friend, for example. But for others who aren't friends with them, they are more likely to treat them poorly.
It is better if they were around them and putting their education to use. That sounds horrible, as if we were a zoo on display. :P
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"Kisses for the glow...kisses for the lease." - BDRII
Excellent point there, fife.
When my oldest three children of four were young in elementary school, sometimes they'd come home crying and saying that their friends weren't allowed to sleep over because of me - that I couldn't possibly care for them.
:shock: *growls*
I confronted those parents - politely, of course. I am not an angry person, as it may seem like that from the way I write sometimes.
I'd bring up what my child told me and the mom would be defending herself going, "I don't mean to offend you, honestly! I think you are a great mom! Your child is so smart, it's truly amazing..."
I'm thinking, Jesus you are really insulting me!! ARGGH!!
"...but what if my child gets hurt? How are you going to dial 911? How can we communicate??!"
I pointed out that all of my children are in one piece as a joke. It's not like I am going to leave them unattended because I know what my responsibilities as a parent. I pointed out that I can make phone calls through an equipment - a relay system, a third party that interprets between the parties. I offered her to come over so that I could show her. Alternative method would be e-mail, which I frequently check.
And there are several ways a child can get my attention - by flickering the switch in a room, tapping my shoulder, or if there is another person in the room with me who can hear, to request for my attention.
And I explained that I was still using the baby monitor system in my room which alerts me for any sounds during the night - the lights would go off.
That's one example of uneducated parents.
And another example of the prejudiced parents who have issues with me for personal reasons such as their child's break-up with one of my children, or a friendship that ended in bitter.
"That's because of her mother... don't blame that kid, s/he'll have a hard time in life."
"Poor husband... imagine how hard it is for him to be married to her, doing all the work."
"She shouldn't be even allowed to drive... she's putting all of our lives in danger!"
Good god....we are supposed to be the smartest human beings on this earth, yet we are the stupidest as fuck!
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"Kisses for the glow...kisses for the lease." - BDRII
A boy that was deaf sat next to me in bio class. Brad. He always had the same interpreter. I guess he liked her because she was there every year. What you went thru sounds like hell. It’s infuriating when your help is slack which causes you to fail.
Uh oh! No good. Don’t be with anybody because people think ‘well, you’re disabled. You’re lucky to have anybody.’ That is bad so bad. Sounds like he wanted to sign, rather then be your boyfriend. Lame. He was plain as day using you. Horrible.
Great post fife.
I’m of the same mind set. When one group isn’t doing good, it effects us all in the long run.
First exit: I’m glad you posted. The disabled community has a stereotype of being damaged. You’re right about that. That stereotype needs to be broken. Maybe that can be done with teaching disability history. I believe if kids had already been learning about it, you would’ve never got suspended. See my point? Learning takes the stereotype of damaged away.
And again, I think you may be thinking about disability sensitivity training which IS NOT what the FB cause is about.
Frankly the whole world needs sensitivity training. Towards everybody, not just towards the disability community. That is a big feat to accomplish. Way too big a project for schools.
If you read thru this thread you’ll see it’s about facts in the school books that need to be added, not a ‘how to treat somebody’ school book.
And I agree with you. This world has gotten too PC.
I was asked to do this workshop recently. It was how to treat a person with a disability that was coming to apply to live in an apartment build.
It was how you may be discriminating, when you don’t even realize you are.
Don’t say this, don’t say that.
While I was glad people were learning to be comfortable, I couldn’t help wonder… If you fill people’s head with all these rules, will they help, or make them scared to talk to people with disabilities at all?
When I got home I emailed those thoughts to the lady who ran it.
I wish that principal would’ve talked to that boy before he suspended you. In my opinion suspending you makes the disabled community even more damaged. It perpetuates the stereotype. you're right. i'm glad you told her that. good for you.
Way back when Obama made that joke about the Special Olympics on Leno. Everybody got in an uproar on behalf of the disabled community.
It was complete BULLSHIT. The people with disabilities on a chatboard I go to for people with disabilities weren’t that fired up at all.
Never get upset or speak for somebody without going to them first. We have a voice, don’t get upset for us because it’s the PC thing to do.
Hell I made a lot my friends in school by joking on my disability. It’s the elephant in the room you can’t ignore it. one of my best friends joked on my disability around other kids. ‘Oh wait, is blondieblue going to get mad? Oh snap! She’s laughing too!’
I’m glad she did it. it wasn’t in a hurtful manor. It made the kids more comfortable around me. (lol and no. nobody was suspended)
and may be if people were more comfortable those parents would be ok with their kids staying at iammines house.
People need to be more comfortable around disabilities, that is one reason why the facts of the disability rights movement should be put in textbooks.
And lastly, a minority group is when there’s more people that aren’t like you in a population.
Surely they aren’t more people with disabilities on this planet than abled-bodied people? hehehe
lastly pt2. lol!
been trying to prove that all my life to people. you think it would be pretty simple. it is a simple idea. it really is. but after 30 years in this body (and the countless people with disabilities before me) and what i've been thru, i see that it's not. there's got to be more to it because it's not working. there's more to it than just telling your kids to treat us like everybody else. this teaching facts about the disability rights movement is a start.
As usual, I got off the track emotionally. That is so me... :P
Yeah, as I grew older and looking back, he was using me a lot. :P I even got upset when I saw him adding on his college applications - even job resumes - listing ASL courses he took and how he "volunteered" to sign.
Motherf**ker.
Yeah, that Brad kid seems like a lucky kid - it's really much much better if you had the same interpreter all the time and you both worked well together. That's not often... hail hail, Brad!
Anyway, you made your points very well. Dammit, I need to re-take my public speaking courses again - focus and staying on the main points! Heh.
But yeah you are right... it's way too much to explain all the rules, what to say, what not to say... it scares people away, that's for sure!
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"Kisses for the glow...kisses for the lease." - BDRII
BINGO!!!!!
I do joke about myself too... sometimes it's the best way to break the ice! And I am not bettling myself either, but to make them comfortable in asking questions if they were curious without worrying about offending me.
For example, when I see their curiosity surfacing but maybe afraid to ask... I'd bring up this funny story about how one hearing student in college was shocked when I pulled out the keys to my car.
"You can drive?! But how if you can't hear?!"
"Ohhhh... they got this special device in the steering wheel. When the light changes colors, there is a loud blaring going off to alert me to press or let go of the gas pedestal."
"Really??!! WOW!!!!!!!!"
I just smile and start laughing. Then he started to realize it was a joke... and started laughing at himself, slamming his forehead.
That usually got some laughs.
EV: It's your band.
~Q Magazine
"Kisses for the glow...kisses for the lease." - BDRII
And I think after while people are bombarded with PCness, we end up caring about nothing!
first exit after reading this thread, you may take it too far. but i don't know you so....
but i'm thinking twice now about your story.
here's the thing, do you joke on everybody or on only people that are different from you?
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thanks helen
yes i think it does too.
but if you want to disagree too that fine. opens up a chance to advocate!
(that is if people want to bother to read what i have to say)
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That's right!
Helen is a cool cat, too.
I clicked on FirstExit's thread... see what you mean. I'd like to see his explanation, too.
But what failed in that thread, as you've pointed out to him, that people should talk to the affected person first - like the principal talking to that boy first before taking any actions.
People just should have alerted Dimitris and it was up to him to say something or ignore... what do you think?
Another education here I want to take opportunity too!
Please do not ever ask another person to talk for that person... it drives me fucking nuts.
My husband is so well trained on that, as my children. They are taught to never speak on my behalf - at least with my permission. I have NEVER asked my children to interpret for me - I have heard horrible stories how it impacted children of deaf parents who relied so much on them to speak for them. I cannot imagine doing that to my children. *I* take care of them, not the other way around!
For example, "tell her...ask your mother..." They stop right there immediately and say "You can talk to her yourself... here's how..."
I still get that everyday, even from some of my neighbors when they try to talk through my kids. "Please don't do that again, ok? You can talk to me, not them. I am the parent here so I would appreciate that you do this way next time..."
Oh well... I still educate, educate, educate...
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"Kisses for the glow...kisses for the lease." - BDRII
I had a friend with a SCI. spinal cord injury. She once told me she kinda wanted kids so they could take care of her.
My reaction: WTF! sounds like child labor to me.
I think she was just babbling and it slipped out. But still!
'People just should have alerted Dimitris and it was up to him to say something or ignore... what do you think?'
yeah
i woulda like to seen what he had to say before they locked it. he probably saw it, it was pretty long and he's always on here. he's my boy, he sent me a PJ magazine.
Thanks for this thread... it's something I've never given a moments thought to... cos we generally don't consider disabled people at all :oops: . People are right.... seems you WOULD make a great spokesperson!
Reading you two... when I think about things I consider 'obstacles' or 'challenges'... makes me feel incredibly weakminded. You're both very inspirational
Verona??? it's all surmountable
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I’ve pondered it so much I wrote a longass paper about it. and I don’t expect people to read the whole thing but....
The Lack of Progression by the Disabled Community
http://www.ivykennedy.com/letters/paper.htm
it's the longest thing i've written.........but it just poured outta me. lol!
thank you.
i do what i can. i have my website, my little local advoacy group, go to my states General Assembly each year to speak, volunteer at a home for severely disabled children.
and i've thought about having a shirt made. (i'm such a smartass)
on front
i'm YOUR inspiration
actually Ed inspires me.
Hahahaha! I kiss-fist you!! That's in ASL - several meanings depending what it's about. In this case, I love/admire/adore you! I tried to write in English how to do that in ASL... it didn't come out right!
So I decided to google that on YouTube and was surprised I had forgotten about this video - one of my deaf friends, John, who is a comedian!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJQTHpGpJ1I - Look at 0:04 seconds - you'd see him signing "kiss-fist"!
And I'd like to show this online maganize called "Kiss-Fist" - beautifully done by and run by the Deaf people. Blondie, Bjorn Storm was in one of the previous issues too.
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"Kisses for the glow...kisses for the lease." - BDRII
Perhaps there needs to be a thread on how to recognize social disabilities!
Fist thing reminds me.... I can’t high-five. So when my guy brian (abled-bodied) wants to he says. Give me fist! Lol
hehe... no that was joe2468 - I just looked in that thread to make sure cuz I would have remembered JOEJOEJOE with all caps!
Jeez - I left my speakers off... the only time I'd turn it on is when I listen to music! Everything else - I turn it off.
Sorry about that!! I would have said to make sure to turn off your speakers before watching people in sign language!
When I do my videos in sign language, I always turn off my microphone! And always double-checked by turning on the speakers to make sure there is no sound in my video.
Jeez, you are no fun then! Put it up there! What is so fucking hard about that? Sheesh.
EV: It's your band.
~Q Magazine
"Kisses for the glow...kisses for the lease." - BDRII
wrong joe ok! lol
i get why you turn off your mic while recording. don't wanta pick up any background noise.
g'night!
I was thinking about this. What you said. it took guts for you to say that. I tend to agree with that statement.
Some of the disabled community may be hard to look at. Literally. So I guess that makes us easier to ignore. Also I guess if that's so it’s hard to see, that we’re people(like yourself) that we are striving towards equally.
I believe humans are extremely visual. What you judge somebody on right off the bat rather you realize you’re doing it, is their looks.
Hell, I feel like a hypocrite to the disabled community cause over this... I’m a powerchair user and I’ve only been attracted to a guy in a wheelchair once. my guy has a disability but physically he’s fine. (he walks)
I also believe humans are evolved enough to get passed the initial moment of seeing a person. You can fight the repulsed feeling because you know not to judge a book by it’s cover. It’s a hard thing to teach yourself thou, but it’s not impossible.
And I know you’ve all heard this before: Knowledge breaks down fear of the unknown. Hence adding the facts about the disability rights movement in children’s textbooks.
i don't think schools need to spend in inordinate amount of time on it. i recall when i was in school, we had a kid that had that a problem that would cause him to blurt out stuff at random times. (i forget what it was called), anyways, before he joined the class, the teacher or somebody from the school came in and gave us a five minute speech about it/him.
i guess it's just common sense to treat people with disabilities as you would anybody else. well, maybe you hang around a extra minute to hold a door open, or whatnot.
i just don't see the need to spend much time on it in the class room. to me it's more of a parenting issue. ie parents need to raise there kids to be accepting of different people, regardless of it's race, background, family wealth, or physical/mental disablilty.
but since this is 2009, the school needs to be responsible for all parental functions.
i want to see facts in textbooks about the disability right movement.
not a pamplet insert on how to treat people with disabilities.
why is that so hard to understand?
are you looking for something like...
and in 1965, new buildings were required to be wheel chair accessable. this came about as the result of joe blow's decade long campaing to "free" the disabled from there imprisonment in a not handicap accessable world. Joe was a life long advocate for disable rights and did this and that ........
that sort of stuff?
right on!
or
the predecessor of the ADA was section 504 of the Rehabilitation Act of 1973.
Section 504 of the Rehabilitation Act of 1973 is a national law that protects qualified individuals from
discrimination based on their disability. The nondiscrimination requirements of the law apply to employers
and organizations that receive financial assistance from any Federal department or agency, including the U.S.
Department of Health and Human Services (DHHS). These organizations and employers include many hospitals,
nursing homes, mental health centers and human service programs.
Section 504 forbids organizations and employers from excluding or denying individuals with disabilities an
equal opportunity to receive program benefits and services. It defines the rights of individuals with disabilities
to participate in, and have access to, program benefits and services.
or
Justin Whitlock Dart, Jr. (August 29, 1930 - June 22, 2002) was an American activist and advocate for the disabled. He helped to pass the Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990 and co-founded the American Association of People with Disabilities (AAPD). he is known as The Father of the Americans with Disabilities Act
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justin_Whitlock_Dart,_Jr.
or
1912
The Threat of the Feeble Minded (pamphlet) created a climate of hysteria allowing for massive human rights abuses of people with disabilities, including institutionalization and forced sterilization.
http://isc.temple.edu/neighbor/ds/disab ... meline.htm
(my friend once told me the reason families hid their kids with disabilities in their homes wasn’t because they weren’t ashamed of them. It was because people would drag them off to institutions. The families were protecting them)
or
Ed Roberts - The Father of Independent Living
Read about him at:
http://www.edrobertscampus.org/about/about_ed.html
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Well I think that’s tremendously brave of you to admit that and I want to say THANK YOU! Because no doubt you aren’t the only one that feels like that.
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I think that ALL of us have a degree of prejudice, no matter how little it is. Once i took this prejudice test and thinking I had been exposed more to diverse people than most people I knew, making me 'free' of prejudice and discrimination.
After taking this personal prejudice and discrimination test given to us by our cultural diversity teacher, I was astonished to find out that I was not completely free of prejudice. :shock:
Not a good feeling at all. But it is very important to acknowledge it and be more conscious. I do the same, Helen, asking myself questions why do I think like this and try to understand why/where did that come from? Once I understand, then it helps me how to change how I word things or how to respond.
I also used to look down on my group in subtle ways (without even realizing it) - because they weren't following the majority and not culturally 'hearing' enough because that was how I was raised and being around hearing children more often. It also came from the teachers telling us that we wouldn't make it if we didn't work on 'fitting in' the society (speech therapy and speaking more than signing). Don't follow their culture ways but the majority's culture ways.
It can also be taught subtly through the actions of peers, parents, teachers, so on... it doesn't have to be said aloud.
Yup.
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"Kisses for the glow...kisses for the lease." - BDRII
I think some people DID have a point when they said that if we teach disability history in schools, we'll have to teach the history of every 'minority' and children won't be taught. How about we simply teach tolerance and understanding of everybody?
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
I’ve learned that at times when you’re honest and people jump down your throat, it’s because they actually see whatever you pointed out in themselves and it freaks them out.
Or
As I said before about the PC effect. It ain’t good. people getting mad on behalf of others.
Just look what happened when I asked a question on here about a race other than my own: http://www.ivykennedy.com/chat/ac.dc.htm
I agree! How the fuck are we going to evolve if people get upset when you ask a question?
So I’m all for teaching tolerance, but I really hope to see the facts of the disability rights movement in school.
Like I said in my paper:
I couldn’t careless if you knew the ends and outs of my disability, and felt sensitivity towards it....just give me my rights!
as for prejudices. as i said before, everybody has them. it's a part of being human. a flaw if you as me. BUT we have the brain power to overcome those feelings.