Amanda Knox

lukin2006

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/12/04/ita ... index.html

Anyone follow this case. I did off and on for a while now. I don't know if she was involved, but it seemed like very little evidence against her. Interested to hear other people's views on this case.

LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun

seemed like too little evidence. and juries there arent sequestered so they are free to read all the tabloid bullshit they want.

redrock

I didn't really follow it that much, but wasn't there Knox's and the victim's blood on a knife?

lukin2006

redrock wrote:

I didn't really follow it that much, but wasn't there Knox's and the victim's blood on a knife?

It didn't seem like they could match the knife up to the attack, plus being college students things were shared. They did not find any DNA in the bedroom where the crime took place.

lukin2006

MrSmith wrote:

seemed like too little evidence. and juries there arent sequestered so they are free to read all the tabloid bullshit they want.

I found the jury system to be strange at the least, like, they are not questioned for bias before the trial starts, free to discuss the case throughout the trial and deliberate.

ajedigecko

they have their court system in place and it has been in place for some time..........do not go to a country and expect them to change their culture to suit yours.

or.........are you suggesting they should adopt the united states court system?

blackredyellow

I didn't follow it all that closely, but there seemed to be a lot of issues with the evidence, the prosecutor, etc...

lukin2006

ajedigecko wrote:

they have their court system in place and it has been in place for some time..........do not go to a country and expect them to change their culture to suit yours.

or.........are you suggesting they should adopt the united states court system?

I am not suggesting that they change their system for anyone. I just found it odd that the jury is not checked out for bias thats all. To send someone to jail for 26 years based on a jury that could have already had their mind made up before the trial starts just seems odd.

When I go to other countries i do not expect them to change their culture...and besides where on this thread has anyone suggested Italy change their culture for her.

lukin2006

blackredyellow wrote:

I didn't follow it all that closely, but there seemed to be a lot of issues with the evidence, the prosecutor, etc...

The prosecutor is under indictment...can't see the US or Canada using a prosecutor(US), Crown Attorney (Canada) that is under indictment. Now mind you the US and Canada have their fair share of wrongful convictions.

The thing with this trial is that they could not place her or her ex boyfriend at the scene of the crime, no DNA of either were found at the crime scene.

LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun

ajedigecko wrote:

they have their court system in place and it has been in place for some time..........do not go to a country and expect them to change their culture to suit yours.

or.........are you suggesting they should adopt the united states court system?

sure, when you go into another country you play by their rules. but i can have an opinion on their system anyway. and yes, their court system is flawed in that respect, IMO.

our judicial system sucks too, but at least it gets a couple things right, and their system probably does other better, but not this.

Heatherj43

As most of you, I only caught bits and pieces of this case. I felt she was innocent; however, someone killed her room mate.
Did they even come up with a motive? That would help the reat of us make more sense of why she was killed thus giving us a hint at the most likely suspect. I just don't think it was Amanda.

LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun

Heatherj43 wrote:

As most of you, I only caught bits and pieces of this case. I felt she was innocent; however, someone killed her room mate.
Did they even come up with a motive? That would help the reat of us make more sense of why she was killed thus giving us a hint at the most likely suspect. I just don't think it was Amanda.

i havent really followed it either, but what little i heard seems to point to the third guy doing it alone.

Heatherj43

MrSmith wrote:

Heatherj43 wrote:

As most of you, I only caught bits and pieces of this case. I felt she was innocent; however, someone killed her room mate.
Did they even come up with a motive? That would help the reat of us make more sense of why she was killed thus giving us a hint at the most likely suspect. I just don't think it was Amanda.

i havent really followed it either, but what little i heard seems to point to the third guy doing it alone.

I just have this strong sense that she didn't do it. Its like my gut instinct. Too bad that she is taking the rap. I don't understand why she is only getting 26 years. Here, she would get life.

I have a family member who went to prison for 18 years. She had two little kids, both in diapers at the time. She got out last year and is totally lost. That is way too long for anyone to spend locked away and then released and expected to be able to live in a society that has progressed way beyond where she has.
Sure, she was able to watch T.V. and read newspapers while in there, but even that didn't prepare her for how much the world had changed while she was locked away.
Simple things like a cell phone ringing makes her jump. Cars amaze her. She is afraid to drive. Luckily she got to move to a rural part of Kentucky upon her release. It is a slower, laid back community, thus giving her time and space to make adjustments.

keeponrockin

On a complete side note, the town it took place in is absolutely amazing. One of the most enjoyable towns I've ever had the privilege to spend time in.

michelleelise

I've paid some attention to this and just feel like she's either guilty as sin or crazy enough to cover up for the boyfriend.

What got me:

- Both she and the boyfriend turn their cell phones off at the same time the night of the murder and didn't turn them back on until late the morning after. According to cellphone records, completely out of pattern for both of them.

- They claimed (well, their original claim anyway, they each have multiple versions at this point) that they spent the night at his house but a security camera caught her on film heading to her house that night. So then I guess they changed the story.

- They were originally at his place that night but the computer activity stopped around the same time as the cellphones and didn't start up again until the next morning at which point he did an internet search for the terms "bleach" and "blood".

- They claimed to have slept late at the boyfriends before Amanda returned home and found the crime scene but a store owner testified Amanda was waiting for his store to open early that morning.

- Drops of her blood in the bathroom sink.

- He collected knives. I think the prosecution theory is the knives came from his place and they brought them back to his place after the crime - maybe disposed of one of them. The knife with the victim's DNA was at his apartment yet the victim hadn't been to his apartment. Plus, it'd been cleaned with bleach, the DNA they found was what was leftover after the cleaning.

- Police say his place smelled of bleach when they went there.

- The whole pointing the finger at the innocent bar owner was total BS on her part. And what's with her third story when she claimed to have been home and covering her ears to block the screaming?

- They didn't the cops until the cops were showing up. They had laundry in the washer as the cops arrived.

- His DNA on the victim's bra strap. I guess the defense claims contamination because it was left at the crime scene for so long but apparently you'd have to rub it on your skin pretty well to get that much DNA - it's not as if it could have just touched something that he'd touched.



Wow, now that I typed it all out maybe I've paid more attention than I thought

I don't know, I think she was involved. But I've heard from friends in the Seattle area that there's a strong vibe up there that she's a victim and that her friends and family are all over the newspaper and blogs contradicting anyone who posts otherwise.

lukin2006

michelle822 wrote:

I've paid some attention to this and just feel like she's either guilty as sin or crazy enough to cover up for the boyfriend.

What got me:

- Both she and the boyfriend turn their cell phones off at the same time the night of the murder and didn't turn them back on until late the morning after. According to cellphone records, completely out of pattern for both of them.

- They claimed (well, their original claim anyway, they each have multiple versions at this point) that they spent the night at his house but a security camera caught her on film heading to her house that night. So then I guess they changed the story.

- They were originally at his place that night but the computer activity stopped around the same time as the cellphones and didn't start up again until the next morning at which point he did an internet search for the terms "bleach" and "blood".

- They claimed to have slept late at the boyfriends before Amanda returned home and found the crime scene but a store owner testified Amanda was waiting for his store to open early that morning.

- Drops of her blood in the bathroom sink.

- He collected knives. I think the prosecution theory is the knives came from his place and they brought them back to his place after the crime - maybe disposed of one of them. The knife with the victim's DNA was at his apartment yet the victim hadn't been to his apartment. Plus, it'd been cleaned with bleach, the DNA they found was what was leftover after the cleaning.

- Police say his place smelled of bleach when they went there.

- The whole pointing the finger at the innocent bar owner was total BS on her part. And what's with her third story when she claimed to have been home and covering her ears to block the screaming?

- They didn't the cops until the cops were showing up. They had laundry in the washer as the cops arrived.

- His DNA on the victim's bra strap. I guess the defense claims contamination because it was left at the crime scene for so long but apparently you'd have to rub it on your skin pretty well to get that much DNA - it's not as if it could have just touched something that he'd touched.



Wow, now that I typed it all out maybe I've paid more attention than I thought

I don't know, I think she was involved. But I've heard from friends in the Seattle area that there's a strong vibe up there that she's a victim and that her friends and family are all over the newspaper and blogs contradicting anyone who posts otherwise.

Everything you said is very interesting, I guess you did follow it. I believe the DNA on the knife was so small it did not allow for a second testing which is usually what is done and the bathroom sink where they found blood is a shared bathroom. I tend to think she didn't commit the crime, they did not find any DNA of hers in room where the crime took place, but found DNA from the first person convicted of the crime.

From everything I've heard on TV is that they figure she'll get out on appeal.