15 yr old wanted to see what it felt like WTF ...

josevolution
josevolution Posts: 31,814
edited November 2009 in A Moving Train
http://news.aol.com/article/alyssa-bust ... -in/772912
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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    That's pretty fucked up.
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,882
    "Yet Bustamante had tried to commit suicide at age 13 and had been receiving mental health treatment for depression and cutting herself"

    I guess that mental health treatment wasn't very good. I can't imagine what the parents of that little girl are feeling right now. Such a waste...for nothing. How do you live with that?
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  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,814
    It totally blows my mind , i think we have become a numb society ..
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • even flow - question mark
    even flow - question mark Posts: 1,568
    Just another waste of skin and air. Don't let the pinch of the needle bother you on your way to la-la land.

    The poison from the poison stream caught up to you ELEVEN years ago and you floated out of here. Sept. 14, 08

  • Shawshank
    Shawshank Posts: 1,018
    I don't see how parents deal with something like this. I think about my 8 year old little boy, or my 11 year old daughter. God if anything ever happened to them, I just don't know how you get through that. It's one thing if it's an accident, some freak deal or whatever. But this? Something like this, where there's no doubt your child knew they were being attacked, they were frightened beyond all comprehension, they felt the pain of that knife cut into their throat before they slowly faded away. How do you not just lose your mind as a parent? How do people control themselves, and not just destroy everything related to the monster who did this? It's a tragedy on both sides, with them both being so young, but the killer's parents probably don't give two shits about her, which is probably why she's so screwed up to begin with. The little girl's family though....I just do not ever see myself making it out of a situation like that alive.
  • blackredyellow
    blackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    sick...

    in the article, her lawyer was arguing for her to be tried as a juvenile because "We are throwing away the child and we are signing a death sentence for Alyssa," Valentine said. "She is not going to survive her time in the Cole County jail."

    Is there something wrong with me if I don't care?

    I'm not a psychologist, but I can't see how someone at her age who is mentally wired to do this can ever be "rehabilitated".
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  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    i'm not defending what she did - please understand this point before reading further ...

    i'm gonna assume that her treatment may have included drugs - is it possible these drugs caused some imbalance in her brain that could have led to this? ...
  • blackredyellow
    blackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    polaris_x wrote:
    i'm not defending what she did - please understand this point before reading further ...

    i'm gonna assume that her treatment may have included drugs - is it possible these drugs caused some imbalance in her brain that could have led to this? ...

    Possibly...

    One other point that was eluded to in the article:
    "On one side of the courtroom sat her mother and grandmother, who has been Bustamante's legal guardian for about half of her life."

    Her father wasn't mentioned, so I'm assuming he isn't in the picture.... the mother is there, but her grandmother is/has been her legal guardian, so you know the mother has some major issues to lose or have to give up her daughter... Likely this girl was raised in a very bad situation.
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  • decides2dream
    decides2dream Posts: 14,977
    wow...

    that is so tragic, and yea...fubar...
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  • Jeanwah
    Jeanwah Posts: 6,363
    That is fucked up.

    I can't help but think that the way the media handles these stories...glorifies them, puts the victim and the murderers on television and give them undivided attention for days... I can't help but believe they are partly to blame. People pick up on that.
  • WaveCameCrashin
    WaveCameCrashin Posts: 2,929
    josevolution wrote:
    i think we have become a numb society ..

    Something that I have thought for a long time now. :(
  • OutOfBreath
    OutOfBreath Posts: 1,804
    polaris_x wrote:
    i'm not defending what she did - please understand this point before reading further ...

    i'm gonna assume that her treatment may have included drugs - is it possible these drugs caused some imbalance in her brain that could have led to this? ...
    Just have to point out here, people are well capable of having imbalances in their brains without any drugs being involved. She probably has a sosiopathic streak and have probably not gotten the treatment she needed.

    (edit) To expound a little (not directed at polaris), I havent worked with flat out sociopaths, but I have worked with mentally impaired ones. And I see it as all too possible that this was done completely without malice on the girl's part. Some people just dont have that empathy block that stops them from doing such things. She probably could have gotten more help at an earlier time, and maybe better parenting could have helped, then again maybe not.

    Sad case.

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  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    OutOfBreath wrote:
    Just have to point out here, people are well capable of having imbalances in their brains without any drugs being involved. She probably has a sosiopathic streak and have probably not gotten the treatment she needed.

    (edit) To expound a little (not directed at polaris), I havent worked with flat out sociopaths, but I have worked with mentally impaired ones. And I see it as all too possible that this was done completely without malice on the girl's part. Some people just dont have that empathy block that stops them from doing such things. She probably could have gotten more help at an earlier time, and maybe better parenting could have helped, then again maybe not.

    Sad case.

    Peace
    Dan

    thanks for the info - it just seems that people's initial response is for some of eye for eye justice ... similar to the sniper execution - isn't the most important thing to try and prevent this from happening again? ... we should look into what would possess someone to do something like this ... killing her or putting her away for life only takes her off the streets ...
  • pickupyourwill
    pickupyourwill Posts: 3,135
    josevolution wrote:
    http://news.aol.com/article/alyssa-bustamante-15-charged-as-adult-in/772912

    yeah, that is mega f*cked up. when she gets out of juvie they should throw her right back in adult prison and throw away the key--for life!! i know the system doesn't work like that, but maybe it should for this case.

    i also didn't read what the verdict was, so i'm mainly talking out of my a*s right now. :D
  • Eliot Rosewater
    Eliot Rosewater Posts: 2,659
    Hopefully she can fully explain what it did feel like and tell her story clearly so as to prevent future curiosity killings.... :roll:
  • Claireack
    Claireack Posts: 13,561
    A horrible story. Very sad that it happened.
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  • dimitrispearljam
    dimitrispearljam Posts: 139,725
    thats sad..
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  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    On a related topic, I don't think juveniles should ever be tried as adults. If we don't give them the rights of adults, how can we try them as such?

    It seems to me that the only factor in deciding whether to charge a juvenile as an adult is the seriousness of the crime.
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,882
    know1 wrote:
    It seems to me that the only factor in deciding whether to charge a juvenile as an adult is the seriousness of the crime.


    No shit? ;)

    As it should be I think.
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  • Eliot Rosewater
    Eliot Rosewater Posts: 2,659
    know1 wrote:
    On a related topic, I don't think juveniles should ever be tried as adults. If we don't give them the rights of adults, how can we try them as such?

    It seems to me that the only factor in deciding whether to charge a juvenile as an adult is the seriousness of the crime.
    I agree with you. It's something I haven't spent much time considering, but it absolutely makes sense. I don't think there should be picking and choosing on what constitutes being an adult vs. a minor. Minors are prosecuted differently for good reason. It is completely illogical to assume they are more "adult" if they commit a more serious crime. I would say if anything, they are less of an adult and further from adulthood than their chronological age.

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