Why doesn't Obama just end the war?
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He could bring everybody home tomorrow :?:
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This. Obama won't/can't just pull out and let everything go to hell over there.
this as well
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“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
Obama has plainly stated multiple times that he believes that the war on terror though flawed, is a worthwhile cause. He feels that his job or his mission is to "continue the war on terror with vigor", thats a direct quote from a newsweek interview.
Obama believes just as bush did, that terrorism can be eradicated and erased and gotten rid of. He believes that bombs and bullets can end terrorism.
So, obama wont just end the war. He never was going to.
People hallucinate and project their own feelings onto politicians and thats sad. The main reason I didnt get caught up in the Obama fervor, was because I knew he was just another politician, and that far from being what we needed to balance out a radical right winger like Bush, Obama was not a radical left winger. In fact he isnt even radical or left wing at all. He is a centrist at best, maybe even a conservative democrat ala Bill Clinton.
The bottom line is, Obama is under the impression, and its something he truly believes whole heartedly, that sending 18 year old poor kids, to die in some foreign land, is a worthwhile and justified cause and action.
this is the same insane statement used in vietnam, and every other war since. Its this idea that, the war was wrong, and pointless and stupid, and its a quagmire, but, since we have this mythical "moral obligation" we need to stay, and get more of our soldiers killed, kill more iraqi civilians, and waste more money on a war that obviously is never going to be won, and is already lost. Thats the height of insanity.
We have no moral obligation to the middle east. Each minute we stay there we lose more soldiers and kill more civilians. The moral obligation is to our soldiers. They belong with their families, in their own beds, safe and sound, not scared out of their minds in Iraq.
The old statement about vietnam fits iraq as well, "how do we get out of Iraq?"...... well, we leave "on boats"
i would say that obama personally probably leans left of centre a bit ... but america is a corporation and the shareholders (ie the big corporations) like war so, there's not a whole lot he can do ... he's gotta act on behalf of those shareholders ...
Left of center? Bailouts to multi billion dollar corporations. A foreign policy that views Iran, Iraq and Afghanistan as central fronts on the war on terrorism making him just as, if not more, militaristic than Bush, little to nothing done to help the common citizen in this economic depression, and little to nothing done about ending torture tactics or closing of gitmo, little to nothing done about race relations in the country, obama has not addressed race in a real way ala The Wire, and he has not engaged in serious discussion about the major actions needed to address global warming. Obama agrees with every right winger, in that, yes we may sometimes have trouble, or may lose our job, but we all need to pull ourselves up by our own bootstraps. How about abortion, or welfare?
So, yeah.... I'm not seeing the left of center part. What I just described may fit for every other democrat in office currently, but that doesnt mean that these policies are in anyway left wing.
That's it; it's over.
9-11 was not an act of war it was American murder I guess.
This is really something I think :!:
Which one of our two wars are you talking about?
Hail, Hail!!!
erm....ok...
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
You could not be more wrong. The war was infact wrong but we do need to stay. We have a massive obbligation to the Middle East whether you accept it or not. Just for the record, I am a life long member of CND and just to further clarify, I lost my Brother in the first Gulf war so Im in no way a supporter of war. If we just leave now it will cost us big time in the future. The mess that America created in the 70s in Afghanistan came back to haunt them.
I may upset a few people with this next statement but America needs to get a backbone and finish what they start instead of looking to get out once they have lost a few more men than they are comfortable with. America goes in and unbalances countries and then you think they should just leave and allow a corrupt power to take over. You are a terrorist nations wet dream...
i cant imagine losing a brother to any of this madness. i don't know what i'd do and i feel for you.
its not as simple as saying fuck iraq, but we have killed tens of thousands of their people, (some say hundreds of thousnamds, some say millions) why the fuck is it up to us to decide the future of their country?
shouldn't it be up to them?
We have no moral obligation to the middle east. Each minute we stay there we lose more soldiers and kill more civilians. The moral obligation is to our soldiers. They belong with their families, in their own beds, safe and sound, not scared out of their minds in Iraq.
The old statement about vietnam fits iraq as well, "how do we get out of Iraq?"...... well, we leave "on boats"[/quote]
You could not be more wrong. The war was infact wrong but we do need to stay. We have a massive obbligation to the Middle East whether you accept it or not. Just for the record, I am a life long member of CND and just to further clarify, I lost my Brother in the first Gulf war so Im in no way a supporter of war. If we just leave now it will cost us big time in the future. The mess that America created in the 70s in Afghanistan came back to haunt them.
I may upset a few people with this next statement but America needs to get a backbone and finish what they start instead of looking to get out once they have lost a few more men than they are comfortable with. America goes in and unbalances countries and then you think they should just leave and allow a corrupt power to take over. You are a terrorist nations wet dream...[/quote]
i cant imagine losing a brother to any of this madness. i don't know what i'd do and i feel for you.
its not as simple as saying fuck iraq, but we have killed tens of thousands of their people, (some say hundreds of thousnamds, some say millions) why the fuck is it up to us to decide the future of their country?
shouldn't it be up to them?[/quote]
You are totally right about it being upto them how to run Iraq, but we did not give them that option. If we pulled out now it not be long before some horrible tyrent took over. Can I please just step down slightly and say Im sorry for what sounded anti the USA. I love America and you guys on here are awsome. I was talking more about politics of both our countries and I should have made that clear.
i would say there have been positives made like funding to SCHIP, stem cell research....there are some more and while i don't think those as a whole come close to the hype of change we were told we could believe in in comparison to what he has given in on or done absolutely nothing towards i'd say that is left of center, some i'd say is not left/right but just common sense.
so yeah, when you take into all his actions or inactions i'd say he's a centrist but on certain things he would be left of that
can we really say being militaristic is a mentality of the right anymore? seems like an awful lot of what we call the left thinks the same way. as Polaris said, regardless of party they need to use their power and influence to repay their shareholders and investors; the corporations
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
why do people automatically equate pulling our troops out as abandoning Iraq?
HR508 the Bring Our Troops Home and Iraq Sovereignty Restoration Act
authored by Congresswomen Lee, Waters and Woolsey
-a FULLY FUNDED withdrawal of our forces within 6 months of enactment (i bolded the fully funded part to avoid the cries of 'throwing our troops under the bus')
-accelerate the training of Iraqi security forces (because clearly they weren't ready)
-create an international stabilization force which would stay for ONLY 2 years and ONLY at the request of the Iraqi government
-provide funding and resources for a safe withdrawal and whatever the troops need to get home but nothing towards prolonging or escalating the war
-humanitarian aid and investments in it's physical and economic infrastructure because "pulling our troops out of Iraq does not mean abandoning Iraq."
-no military bases built
-gives up claim to Iraqi oil, Iraq belongs to the Iraqis as does their resources
-full health care funding, including mental health benefits, for US soldiers who fought in these or any wars
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
sorry, but leans left of center a bit?
How many billions or is it trillions of dollars have been spent on liberating the Iraqi and Afgani people when as the largest first world country the USA has hugely high levels of poverty and a below par health and education system!!!
I agree. I will take it a step further though. The World is a business that tries to be our puppetmasters. It is an illusion to think that Obama or any president could just end this war or start one for that matter. There is too much money to be made. We are getting screwed by politics and it sickens me. The biggest problems in Washington are Democrats and Republicans. They make us feel as if we have a choice on matters. Yes, we can vote for whomever we choose. But who do we have to choose from? And how much do we agree with the candidate we vote for? It sucks to choose somebody just because they are the least of the worst possible candidates. We are boxed in everywhere we look. These big shots don't give a hoot about anybody but their inner circles and their own interests. Obama has never and it looks as though will never be any different.
Whatever. Those areas were a disaster before this war. If the people don't want to be liberated, we must leave. We can support and aid them in other ways. I say leave now. Just do it. We can't change the past.
(see Machiavelli Discourses of Livy Book 1 Chapter 33)
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Discourse ... rs_XXXI-XL
We have helped over the course of the last 50 years to destroy the Middle East. We are as much to blame for it as those countries themselves.
they've been resisting foreign occupation since the invasion.
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The poison from the poison stream caught up to you ELEVEN years ago and you floated out of here. Sept. 14, 08
*Edited to fix a spelling error or two*