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  • edited November 2009
    if you got rid of the corruption over defense contractor bids, military spending would be a fraction of what it is now. it doesnt cost nearly as much as we pay for the military equipment we have.

    but anyway, back to the subject, i doubt the population can be curbed through declining birth rates alone (without death rates rising much higher). we're not even close to that tipping point, and a future of dwindling resources will only make things worse. i dont think technological advances can keep pace, but i could be wrong. at best, technology can only sustain the levels we are at now. Given that the population is still growing rapidly, the numbers don't add up. a whole lotta people will die. countries where its still advantageous to have multiple children will not be able to develop, so they will still be makin' babies.
    Post edited by LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun on
  • just go and read Eco science by John P. Holdren, Obama's science czar.. He's got some really good ideas. :crazy: :shock:
  • CommyCommy Posts: 4,984
    prfctlefts wrote:
    just go and read Eco science by John P. Holdren, Obama's science czar.. He's got some really good ideas. :crazy: :shock:

    you're sarcastically suggesting i read a book you've never even read. why now?


    and your calling it crazy?



    did one of your talking heads give it thumbs down?


    here's an idea....make up your own mind for a change.
  • MrSmith wrote:
    if you got rid of the corruption over defense contractor bids, military spending would be a fraction of what it is now. it doesnt cost nearly as much as we pay for the military equipment we have.

    but anyway, back to the subject, i doubt the population can be curbed through declining birth rates alone (without death rates rising much higher). we're not even close to that tipping point, and a future of dwindling resources will only make things worse. i dont think technological advances can keep pace, but i could be wrong. at best, technology can only sustain the levels we are at now. Given that the population is still growing rapidly, the numbers don't add up. a whole lotta people will die. countries where its still advantageous to have multiple children will not be able to develop, so they will still be makin' babies.
    Despite the doom and gloom and even in the face of recession, there are a lot of positive signs in many developing nations to suggest that even many countries typically associated with abject poverty are showing a decline in fertility levels, steady economic growth and higher levels of literacy coupled with a sharp decrease in conflict and war. Almost as a rule, as countries become more developed, birthrates decline.

    If we're smart about how we approach aid and international development, we could drastically speed up this transition but instead most policies have been bollocks. Tied aid, agricultural subsidies and even many GMO legislation (I'm very torn on the GMO subject) have really prevented development in places like Africa. IF money is invested wisely, there is no reason why we couldn't have another Green Revolution here which could serve as a global breadbasket and not only for subsitance. That said, the water issue and climate change is ravaging much of the area... :(
  • JeanwahJeanwah Posts: 6,363
    Jeanwah wrote:
    Clean water is a big issue now, and will be a huge issue in the future. People in South Africa are dying from drinking dirty water, as water is now being commodified, and companies are buying, taxing and charging regular people in 3rd world countries to drink what's ultimately necessary to survive. And that idea of owning water sources is spreading. Soon to come to a country near you.

    This:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDkz6jhMjcA

    Ooh, it's delightfully evil!

    OMG, that's a perfect (and sick) commercial for what's going on in So. Africa. Sick, I tell you.
  • haffajappahaffajappa Posts: 5,955
    go forth and multiply. :roll:
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  • Jeanwah wrote:
    Clean water is a big issue now, and will be a huge issue in the future. People in South Africa are dying from drinking dirty water, as water is now being commodified, and companies are buying, taxing and charging regular people in 3rd world countries to drink what's ultimately necessary to survive. And that idea of owning water sources is spreading. Soon to come to a country near you.

    This:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDkz6jhMjcA

    Ooh, it's delightfully evil!
    Great video! Wow.
  • haffajappa wrote:
    For all the people who put faith in the bible and the stories in there. Famine wiped out people for a reason. Why do we as humans interfere when it is all god's will. Would keep the population down.
    was this sarcasm?

    What if it wasn't? Everybody loves god except when it is time to meet it!

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  • Commy wrote:
    prfctlefts wrote:
    just go and read Eco science by John P. Holdren, Obama's science czar.. He's got some really good ideas. :crazy: :shock:

    you're sarcastically suggesting i read a book you've never even read. why now?


    and your calling it crazy?



    did one of your talking heads give it thumbs down?


    here's an idea....make up your own mind for a change.

    No I didnt read the whole book ,but I did read thishttp://www.zombietime.com/john_holdren/
    Sorry Commy I don't have $320 to drop on a book and even if I did I sure as hell would'nt buy the damn thing.
  • haffajappahaffajappa Posts: 5,955
    haffajappa wrote:
    For all the people who put faith in the bible and the stories in there. Famine wiped out people for a reason. Why do we as humans interfere when it is all god's will. Would keep the population down.
    was this sarcasm?

    What if it wasn't? Everybody loves god except when it is time to meet it!
    sorry i'm not sure what you're trying to say... :?:

    anyways, i liked the post better when i thought it was sarcasm.

    i just don't wanna hear about this judgement day is coming so we don't have to do anything about our problems but sit back and let the good lord take care of things. :roll:
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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,012
    Anybody notice we crossed the 8 billion mark last night?
    I went to this site last night and it was about 1,000 over 8 and racing along toward it's next major mark of 9 bn.


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  • brianlux said:
    Anybody notice we crossed the 8 billion mark last night?
    I went to this site last night and it was about 1,000 over 8 and racing along toward it's next major mark of 9 bn.


    I did in WaPo but they also said we’d hit 10 billion by 2100 but we went up a billion in 12 years. So, wouldn’t we hit 10 billion by 2050? Or sooner? Regardless, we’re doomed as the global climate summit declared we had 9 years to “figure it out.”

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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,012
    brianlux said:
    Anybody notice we crossed the 8 billion mark last night?
    I went to this site last night and it was about 1,000 over 8 and racing along toward it's next major mark of 9 bn.


    I did in WaPo but they also said we’d hit 10 billion by 2100 but we went up a billion in 12 years. So, wouldn’t we hit 10 billion by 2050? Or sooner? Regardless, we’re doomed as the global climate summit declared we had 9 years to “figure it out.”

    Spend it if you got it.

    Yeah, planet earth is taking a big hit with these numbers and that's not good new for humans and other larger animals.
    I read another article somewhere that said fertility rates are dropping and they predicted human population to be closer to 11 billion by 2100.  It all sounds like guess work to me.  I imagine a lot depends on fertility rates, and the effects of things on population including climate change factors, fertility rates, wars, and disease and pandemics.  I'm glad I won't be around in 2100.  Probably not even 2150!
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  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,633
    brianlux said:
    brianlux said:
    Anybody notice we crossed the 8 billion mark last night?
    I went to this site last night and it was about 1,000 over 8 and racing along toward it's next major mark of 9 bn.


    I did in WaPo but they also said we’d hit 10 billion by 2100 but we went up a billion in 12 years. So, wouldn’t we hit 10 billion by 2050? Or sooner? Regardless, we’re doomed as the global climate summit declared we had 9 years to “figure it out.”

    Spend it if you got it.

    Yeah, planet earth is taking a big hit with these numbers and that's not good new for humans and other larger animals.
    I read another article somewhere that said fertility rates are dropping and they predicted human population to be closer to 11 billion by 2100.  It all sounds like guess work to me.  I imagine a lot depends on fertility rates, and the effects of things on population including climate change factors, fertility rates, wars, and disease and pandemics.  I'm glad I won't be around in 2100.  Probably not even 2150!
    It’s expected to peak at 10 and change, and then decline due to lower fertility rates? 
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,012
    edited November 2022
    brianlux said:
    brianlux said:
    Anybody notice we crossed the 8 billion mark last night?
    I went to this site last night and it was about 1,000 over 8 and racing along toward it's next major mark of 9 bn.


    I did in WaPo but they also said we’d hit 10 billion by 2100 but we went up a billion in 12 years. So, wouldn’t we hit 10 billion by 2050? Or sooner? Regardless, we’re doomed as the global climate summit declared we had 9 years to “figure it out.”

    Spend it if you got it.

    Yeah, planet earth is taking a big hit with these numbers and that's not good new for humans and other larger animals.
    I read another article somewhere that said fertility rates are dropping and they predicted human population to be closer to 11 billion by 2100.  It all sounds like guess work to me.  I imagine a lot depends on fertility rates, and the effects of things on population including climate change factors, fertility rates, wars, and disease and pandemics.  I'm glad I won't be around in 2100.  Probably not even 2150!
    It’s expected to peak at 10 and change, and then decline due to lower fertility rates? 

    Or that and maybe a combination of things like war, non world-ending environmental collapse, non world-ending meteor strike, non species-ending pandemic, non world-ending nuclear war. 
    I know... such doom and gloom.  But notice I said "non-world-ending".  :smiley:
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  • bootlegger10bootlegger10 Posts: 15,937
    The earth is fine. The world will spin until the sun explodes.  How long humans stick around just like other extinct species is the only question.

  • brianlux said:
    Anybody notice we crossed the 8 billion mark last night?
    I went to this site last night and it was about 1,000 over 8 and racing along toward it's next major mark of 9 bn.


    I did in WaPo but they also said we’d hit 10 billion by 2100 but we went up a billion in 12 years. So, wouldn’t we hit 10 billion by 2050? Or sooner? Regardless, we’re doomed as the global climate summit declared we had 9 years to “figure it out.”

    Spend it if you got it.
    They went over why it wouldn't go that quickly.  China India and most countries are slowed to almost a negative increase.  They won't be doubling up.

    Countries in Africa are where the next booms are occurring.
  • brianlux said:
    brianlux said:
    Anybody notice we crossed the 8 billion mark last night?
    I went to this site last night and it was about 1,000 over 8 and racing along toward it's next major mark of 9 bn.


    I did in WaPo but they also said we’d hit 10 billion by 2100 but we went up a billion in 12 years. So, wouldn’t we hit 10 billion by 2050? Or sooner? Regardless, we’re doomed as the global climate summit declared we had 9 years to “figure it out.”

    Spend it if you got it.

    Yeah, planet earth is taking a big hit with these numbers and that's not good new for humans and other larger animals.
    I read another article somewhere that said fertility rates are dropping and they predicted human population to be closer to 11 billion by 2100.  It all sounds like guess work to me.  I imagine a lot depends on fertility rates, and the effects of things on population including climate change factors, fertility rates, wars, and disease and pandemics.  I'm glad I won't be around in 2100.  Probably not even 2150!
    It’s expected to peak at 10 and change, and then decline due to lower fertility rates? 
    yes,I read that it will be a combination of factors, mostly due to fertility/birth rates. 
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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,012
    The earth is fine. The world will spin until the sun explodes.  How long humans stick around just like other extinct species is the only question.


    George Carlin line, right?  I love George Carlin's work and so many of the things he said, but Carlin was human and like the rest of us, Carlin faltered at times, and when I comes to that line, I think Carlin was full of shit.  The earth is not fine.  We have fucked it up.  Sure, it may well correct itself when we are gone.  Given enough time, thee earth will probably reestablish an new ecological balance. We don't know that for certain.  We One thing is certain- the world is in much worse shape than it would have been without our monkeying around.  And its not fine that future generations have to suffer as a result of the ignorance and selfishness of older generations.  And also, speaking of extinctions, think about all the animals that went extinct prematurely because of our foolishness and our arrogance in thinking we are somehow superior.  That too is bullshit.  Killing off other species is a form of genocide.  That is not fine.

    Sorry, but I don't and never have gone along with that "the earth is fine" line.  I think it's a huge cop-out to brush off our foolish and destructive behavior with that line of thinking.  We tinker with things that we don't know in terms of long-term consequences. 
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  • If you haven’t read it yet, The World Without Us is a fascinating read of what might happen to earth if you snapped your fingers and every human disappeared. 
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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,012
    If you haven’t read it yet, The World Without Us is a fascinating read of what might happen to earth if you snapped your fingers and every human disappeared. 

    Oh man, yes!  Loved that book!  I might just read that again one of these days.
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  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,633
    brianlux said:
    brianlux said:
    Anybody notice we crossed the 8 billion mark last night?
    I went to this site last night and it was about 1,000 over 8 and racing along toward it's next major mark of 9 bn.


    I did in WaPo but they also said we’d hit 10 billion by 2100 but we went up a billion in 12 years. So, wouldn’t we hit 10 billion by 2050? Or sooner? Regardless, we’re doomed as the global climate summit declared we had 9 years to “figure it out.”

    Spend it if you got it.

    Yeah, planet earth is taking a big hit with these numbers and that's not good new for humans and other larger animals.
    I read another article somewhere that said fertility rates are dropping and they predicted human population to be closer to 11 billion by 2100.  It all sounds like guess work to me.  I imagine a lot depends on fertility rates, and the effects of things on population including climate change factors, fertility rates, wars, and disease and pandemics.  I'm glad I won't be around in 2100.  Probably not even 2150!
    It’s expected to peak at 10 and change, and then decline due to lower fertility rates? 
    yes,I read that it will be a combination of factors, mostly due to fertility/birth rates. 


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  • If you haven’t read it yet, The World Without Us is a fascinating read of what might happen to earth if you snapped your fingers and every human disappeared. 
    They have a TV show dedicated to that too.  It's wild.
  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,633
    Handmaid Tale not that far off

    https://www.nbcnews.com/science/science-news/falling-sperm-count-observed-world-study-finds-rcna57302

    Men aren’t producing as many sperm as they were decades ago. It’s a trend observed around the globe. The pace of decline is accelerating. 

    Those are the headline findings of a new analysis of sperm count studies published Tuesday in the journal Human Reproduction Update. It’s the largest report to examine the issue. 

  • SpunkieSpunkie Posts: 6,671
    Remember the poster in our  forum depopulationinc?

    Intelligent, thought-provoking, self-titled name!
  • ZodZod Posts: 10,585
    edited November 2022
    I always thought it would interesting if Covid was a ploy to rollout vaccines that reduced fertility rates in a covert operation to lower the planets population.  It'd be a clever way to do it (sort of taken from an episode of Stargate).
    Post edited by Zod on
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,012
    Zod said:
    I always thought it would interesting if Covid was a ploy to rollout vaccines than reduced fertility rates in a covert operation to lower the planets population.  It'd be a clever way to do it (sort of taken from an episode of Stargate).

    It worked that way with me.

    Oh but wait... there is that age thing...

    Never mind!
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,501
    Zod said:
    I always thought it would interesting if Covid was a ploy to rollout vaccines that reduced fertility rates in a covert operation to lower the planets population.  It'd be a clever way to do it (sort of taken from an episode of Stargate).
    Maybe will find out once Fauci is interrogated by Randy boy! 
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  • Zod said:
    I always thought it would interesting if Covid was a ploy to rollout vaccines that reduced fertility rates in a covert operation to lower the planets population.  It'd be a clever way to do it (sort of taken from an episode of Stargate).
    That was A Q conspiracy theory.
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,012
    Zod said:
    I always thought it would interesting if Covid was a ploy to rollout vaccines that reduced fertility rates in a covert operation to lower the planets population.  It'd be a clever way to do it (sort of taken from an episode of Stargate).
    That was A Q conspiracy theory.

    Not surprising.  But are things like that actually strongly believed conspiracy theories, or simply things lib haters do to bate and troll?  I really doubt very many Q people actually believe that stuff.
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