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secondary ticket markets

steelzeppelinsteelzeppelin Posts: 141
edited November 2009 in Given To Fly (live)
can pearl jam ever ban their tickets from being resold on secondary ticket markets i.e. stubhub.
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    NYCPJNYCPJ nyc Posts: 761
    I think its difficult to do.

    The London promoters for the Led Zeppelin reunion concert in 2007 went to great lengths to limit secondary resales: they threatened cancellation of tickets if anyone was caught selling them on ebay or similar sites. And they developed procedures to make secondary sales difficult: lottery winners received a passcode and after ordering their tickets, had to wait until two days before the show to pick up tickets, and the lottery winner had to be present, with a valid ID and a credit card that matched the card used to purchase the ticket. And there was still an active market for resales, including people who sold the passcode on ebay. In the end, the promoters backed off.

    Perhaps the most effective method is to increase allocations to 10C members! I think, generally, 10C members respect the policies against marking up 10C tickets for resale.
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    slug420slug420 Posts: 316
    I think smaller venues and 10c-only shows is the way to go. If no one has tickets until the day of the show then the secondary market has to be crippled significantly.
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    max8700max8700 Posts: 205
    NIN did this very successfully on the last leg of their Wave Goodbye tour. They sold paperless tickets through Ticketmaster and the only way to get into the venue was to show ID and credit card the day of the show and then immediately enter the venue. No hard tickets or e-mail tickets were ever produced.

    Now, two caveats:
    1. They played all theaters in NY, LA and Chicago, so this is much easier with smaller venues.
    2. People still bought two tickets (which was the limit) and then offered one of those up on eBay or CL for marked-up prices.

    But, overall, scalping was severely curtailed. Not sure you could do this at arena shows simply because of the logisitcs.
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    MayDay10MayDay10 Posts: 11,611
    the problem is in order to play a show most places, a deal is cut with ticketmaseter/livenation. they have a stake in the online secondary ticket markets.
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    NYCPJNYCPJ nyc Posts: 761
    MayDay10 wrote:
    the problem is in order to play a show most places, a deal is cut with ticketmaseter/livenation. they have a stake in the online secondary ticket markets.

    good point. Also, im sure the 10C is getting the absolute largest allocation it can get (I heard it was a little higher for the Spectrum shows).
    6/3/06 (East Rutherford 2)
    6/24/08 (MSG1)
    6/25/08 (MSG2)
    7/1/08 (Beacon Theater -NYC)
    10/30/09 (Philly3)
    5/18/10 (Newark, NJ)
    5/20/10 (MSG1)
    5/21/10 (MSG2)
    10/18/13 (Brooklyn 1)
    10/19/13 (Brooklyn 2)
    5/1/16 (MSG 1)
    5/2/16 (MSG 2)
    3/30/20 (MSG)
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    CJMST3KCJMST3K Posts: 9,722
    NYCPJ wrote:
    MayDay10 wrote:
    the problem is in order to play a show most places, a deal is cut with ticketmaseter/livenation. they have a stake in the online secondary ticket markets.

    good point. Also, im sure the 10C is getting the absolute largest allocation it can get (I heard it was a little higher for the Spectrum shows).


    TC typically gets about 10% of a venue's tickets. They gave me this answer when I had asked them a few years ago. I think for special shows they may try to negotiate more.
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    JaneNYJaneNY Posts: 4,438
    I went to some of those NIN shows in NY where it was paperless tickets. It was very smooth. I believe other artists have done it, and I'd like to see PJ give it a shot. You show up with credit card and ID, and they swipe your credit card, and it has to match the one you bought the ticket with. (There were methods of handling if someone's card expired or number got changed).
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    JH86494JH86494 Los Angeles Posts: 44
    JaneNY wrote:
    I went to some of those NIN shows in NY where it was paperless tickets. It was very smooth. I believe other artists have done it, and I'd like to see PJ give it a shot. You show up with credit card and ID, and they swipe your credit card, and it has to match the one you bought the ticket with. (There were methods of handling if someone's card expired or number got changed).


    Paperless tickets are a very cool idea (and very green)...but call me old school. I like having a hard ticket stub. They make for a cool souvenir. It's pretty cool to look back at all of my old concert ticket stubs from back in the day. Those ticket stubs remind me why I'm pretty deaf right now.
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    JaneNYJaneNY Posts: 4,438
    JH86494 wrote:

    Paperless tickets are a very cool idea (and very green)...but call me old school. I like having a hard ticket stub. They make for a cool souvenir. It's pretty cool to look back at all of my old concert ticket stubs from back in the day. Those ticket stubs remind me why I'm pretty deaf right now.

    Hah - yeah some NIN fans complained about wanting to have a stub too, and I do save mine, but if I have to choose between GETTING a ticket or having a hard ticket I'd choose being able to obtain a ticket to the show over the hard ticket method and maybe not getting a seat or having to pay double or more.
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    slug420 wrote:
    ...If no one has tickets until the day of the show then the secondary market has to be crippled significantly.

    exactly.
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