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EvolverEvolver Posts: 525
edited November 2009 in All Encompassing Trip
Hypothetically speaking, if Chase Utley continues to go on this tear, maybe knocks out another HR on Wednesday, more RBIs/hits, etc, certainly he would be at the top of the list of potential series MVP candidates.

Now here's my question - if he continues to put up huge numbers (lets say he has the best numbers of all players in terms of HRs, RBIs, etc) and the Phillies LOSE the series, shouldn't he still be in the running for MVP?? I think only one player from a losing WS team has ever won the award, but it would be pretty lame for a player on the winning team to win the award, even though they were clearly not the best player in the series. Always been a big sports pet peeve of mine, and I've seen instances in other sports finals (Stanley Cup, NBA, and even Super Bowl) where the series/game's hands-down best player came from the losing team, and clearly deserved the award but did not get it.

Thoughts?
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  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,941
    Evolver wrote:
    if he continues to put up huge numbers (lets say he has the best numbers of all players in terms of HRs, RBIs, etc) and the Phillies LOSE the series, shouldn't he still be in the running for MVP??

    No
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  • Latin SquareLatin Square Posts: 21
    I believe a player on the losing team has won mvp before, but I'm too lazy to check that out for sure.
  • EvolverEvolver Posts: 525
    Ledbetterman10 wrote:
    Evolver wrote:
    if he continues to put up huge numbers (lets say he has the best numbers of all players in terms of HRs, RBIs, etc) and the Phillies LOSE the series, shouldn't he still be in the running for MVP??

    No

    Um, you could feel free to elaborate on your answer...just tryin to get a little discussion going on this topic...
  • adam42381adam42381 Kernersville, NC Posts: 2,515
    The only player to win the World Series MVP for the losing team was Bobby Richardson in 1960 while playing for the Yankees. The Pirates won the Series on Bill Mazeroski's Game 7 walk-off home run.
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  • adam42381adam42381 Kernersville, NC Posts: 2,515
    For the record, I think it will be hard not to give it to Utley if the Series ends up going 7 games and he hits another homer.
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  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,941
    Evolver wrote:
    Ledbetterman10 wrote:
    Evolver wrote:
    if he continues to put up huge numbers (lets say he has the best numbers of all players in terms of HRs, RBIs, etc) and the Phillies LOSE the series, shouldn't he still be in the running for MVP??

    No

    Um, you could feel free to elaborate on your answer...just tryin to get a little discussion going on this topic...

    Oh, well in that case, I just don't think the MVP should come from the losing team. If he was the so valuable, his team would have won. I'm also not a fan of guys winning regular season MVP when their team sucks....like when Arod won it on a last place Texas team.

    I know it happened once in the Super Bowl. Some Dallas defensive player was named MVP in Super Bowl V...which is one of the ugliest and sloppiest (10 turnovers) football games ever played. I think he won it because he was the only guy with anything resembling a good stat line.
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  • EvolverEvolver Posts: 525
    Ledbetterman10 wrote:
    I'm also not a fan of guys winning regular season MVP when their team sucks....like when Arod won it on a last place Texas team.

    I would agree with you on this point, but what about if the MVP doesn't come from the BEST team...what bugs me the most is that the definition of the MVP seems to have changed from literal "most valuable", as in, most valuable relative to their team, to "best player overall". To me, to judge something like that correctly you have to first look at each team and determine which one of their players impacted their teams success the most. And from that list, you should select the player that had the greatest level of impact/value to their respective team (not the league in general), and THAT is the MVP. Now generally, the odds are that the winner will come from a winning team, because of course if their contributions didn't lead to winds, the impact is pointless. However, they don't have to be the best team.

    In my book, the MVP should be someone who, without that person's direct, dominant contributions, that team would not be in the position it was in (in terms of wins/losses). I also think the edge should go to clutch players who really carry their team on their back...as opposed to, for example, a guy like A-Rod, who is already on a stacked offensive team. Even though he may rack up numbers, he can slump and the team still has a good shot to win every night, making his relative value lower than the guy who carries his team single-handedly.
  • Fighting HellfishFighting Hellfish Posts: 3,170
    As a Yankee fan, i'd have no problem with Utley (or lee) getting MVP in a losing series. As of now, the only Yankees I see getting it are Pettitte ( IF he were to win game 6) or mariano (IF he were to save Game 6, esp. if Pettitte gets a ND). ARod has had some huge hits, problem is he has only 3 or 4 hits all series. So, a case can certainly be made that this would have been a Yankee sweep but for Utley and/or Lee
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 30,555
    I can def see Utley winning it why not the guy can hit anything they throw at him ...even if they loose wich i hope is the case ...
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  • rearviewmirorrearviewmiror Posts: 894
    These things are weird anyways. Manny won for Boston in 2004 and I don't think he did anything all that great but get hit each game. I though it was Foulke's. In 2007 I thought Youkilis should get it, but it went to Lowell. I haven't watched much of the World Series outside of Boston's years recently. But it always seemed arbitrary.

    I would give it to the Most Valuable Yankee. (IF they win)Hate to say it. Without that player they probably don't beat a damn good Phillies team.
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  • blackredyellowblackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    adam42381 wrote:
    For the record, I think it will be hard not to give it to Utley if the Series ends up going 7 games and he hits another homer.

    yeah...

    if they lose in 6, then I don't think that he should get it, but if the series goes 7, he keeps hitting the crap out of the ball, and no one on the yankees REALLY steps up in these last 2 games, then he should get it.


    I do remember Jean-Sebastien Giguere winning it when his Ducks lost to New Jersey the one year in the stanley cup. Hockey might be different, the MVP is the MVP of the entire playoffs, not just the finals. I think the World Series MVP is based only on the series?
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