Encore Break term being overused

arakias

why do people still consider pearl jams breaks (and returns) encores? I feel last night (10/31) the only "encore" was yellow ledbetter because everyone would have been happy after "rocking".

i believe that pearl jam takes breaks in order to allow the bootleg cds not to run over 80 mins or whatever per disc especially because its only been since the official bootlegs have we been getting "encores" of songs equally as long as the first "set" as people would say. this also leads to crowds actually taking a break between sets knowing full well that the show is not over and pearl jam will be returning. there is no need (not to be confused with there is no desire) for anyone to holler for them to return in these breaks!

this needs to stop, just call it Set 1 and Set 2 or something!

edit: i am more specifically referring to 10/31 philly setlist/fanviews because I was there, I havnt read the other threads to see how "encore" terms are being used as much but generally feel the same.

Stryker

Are you really having a bitch session about encore breaks? Lets sit and think about that for a moment. Yeah, there you go. Just let it soak in...

ryanrunning

did you really remake this thread?

if i wasnt lazy i'd post the link to your other one where you said the exact same thing :yawn: :yawn:

SVRDhand13

Wait.... what?

When a band leaves the stage, and the crowd cheers and demands for more, and the band comes back- it's an encore. This is no debating this.

ryanrunning

my mistake it was in the fanviews thread but still

Child Of The 90s

SVRDhand13 wrote:

Wait.... what?

When a band leaves the stage, and the crowd cheers and demands for more, and the band comes back- it's an encore. This is no debating this.

I get what the original poster is saying, and I've felt that way sometimes too. The band is not coming back because the audience is demanding an encore - they have already made plans to come back. Often times the crowd does not demand much of anything, and a lot of people leave for a beer, or sit down, or whatever. Then after the last song, people quickly quiet down and there are no true encores.

I don't think there is anything wrong with playing three sets - I think it's great. But it is kind of misleading to call them encores. Encores in their truest sense don't really seem to exist any more. I've only seen them happen a handfull of times at smaller shows. I would love it if one day after the lights go on and they play the last song - everyone just kept cheering regardless of any attempt to shut the place down. Kinda tough to get 20000+ people on board with that though. Maybe if there was still such a thing as a true encore, people wouldn't be in such a rush leave the venue to get to their cars - that drives me crazy

PJFAN_seattle

In Seattle shows I couldn't tell it was the encore cuz they only stayed off the stage for like five seconds lol.
Its pretty amazing how long their encores are. I was at the DMB concert at the gorge and the encore was only 2 songs

Ledbetterman10

Arakias wrote:

i believe that pearl jam takes breaks in order to allow the bootleg cds not to run over 80 mins or whatever

Do you really think this?

Aaron 23

So...wait?

You are not ok with the term "encore break" being used...

But you are fine with calling official releases of PJ's concerts "bootlegs"?

...just sayin'...if we're going to be picky, here, may as well go all the way.

norm

well i've seen it all now :roll:

arakias

ledbetterman10 wrote:

Do you really think this?

at the earliest stages of bootleg releasing it might have been true, it may not be so now and easily could not have been, taking a break around every hour would make sense though. it was quite convenient and maybe there is correlation not causation.

aaron23 wrote:

term "encore break"

ha you got me there

also, to anyone else instantly criticizing this idea, why does it not make sense? Pearl Jam would certainly not have stopped the show last night after "Life Wasted" whether or not people were screaming. They were sets and I appreciate every which one that Pearl Jam plays, but I honestly thought the true "encore" last night was Yellow Ledbetter, after the lights were on and people were already leaving, the band returned, stomping on balloons to get to their spots and played again. I was definitely cheering.

Im just bringing up a discussion about using the term "1st encore/2nd encore" to describe their shows. They are sets. Think of them like a jamband, or as paste magazine puts it, "a modern grateful dead".
http://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2 ... -dead.html. The Dead had "sets", not everything was an encore.

Child Of The 90s

Aaron 23 wrote:

So...wait?

You are not ok with the term "encore break" being used...

But you are fine with calling official releases of PJ's concerts "bootlegs"?

...just sayin'...if we're going to be picky, here, may as well go all the way.

Yeah, I've thought of that too. The thing that bugs me about "encores" though, is that they become routine and eliminate the chance of a true encore. If they just treated them as sets it would be more appropriate. Has anyone ever seen a genuine encore for Pearl Jam - has it ever happened?

Aaron 23

Arakias wrote:

ledbetterman10 wrote:

Do you really think this?

at the earliest stages of bootleg releasing it might have been true, it may not be so now and easily could not have been, taking a break around every hour would make sense though.

aaron23 wrote:

term "encore break"

ha you got me there

also, to anyone else instantly criticizing this idea, why does it not make sense? Pearl Jam would certainly not have stopped the show last night after "Life Wasted" whether or not people were screaming. They were sets and I appreciate every which one that Pearl Jam plays, but I honestly thought the true "encore" last night was Yellow Ledbetter, after the lights were on and people were already leaving, the band returned, stomping on balloons to get to their spots and played again. I was definitely cheering.

Im just bringing up a discussion about using the term "1st encore/2nd encore" to describe their shows. They are sets. Think of them like a jamband, or as paste magazine puts it, "a modern grateful dead".
http://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2 ... -dead.html. The Dead had "sets", not everything was an encore.

Not criticizing you...just stating that the term "bootleg" is inaccurate, also. The band has both that term (bootleg) and "encore break" listed on their releases and in the tour setlist listings, so I say just go with it.

arakias

The first time I saw Pearl Jam (TFC '98), I saw a pretty unique "encore". Pearl Jam didnt come back, but they gave some time to the Red Hot Chili Peppers who hadnt gotten to play the festival due to lightening strike the previous day. i had thought the show was over and was making my way out, so that was a good encore.

edit: @ aaron, I didnt feel you were criticizing me, you made a good point. thanks and would enjoy more from you. but i guess if pearl jam calls it that on the boots it must be right, or they could read this and think differently. i didnt look at a boot, i was just looking at the thread for philly 4.

also, this was an attempt to just ask a question backing it up with some facts. im not bitching about how the audience at one show was better or worse than another like a lot of the bickering in threads on this site.
people with interesting discourse apply here.

RyanBeanstalk

TFC '98 was my first time seeing PJ live as well! Even though I'd been way into them since VS. The whole ticketmaster thing in the 90s kind of messed me up. But that was only like 7 songs or something, right? My first PJ SHOW was Houston 2 in '00. Was living in Austin for the semester.

LeatherMosquitoMan

So if they play a 2 hour 43 minute show are you going to believe they lost track of time so it couldn't fit onto 2 cd's?

Vedderlicious

Stryker420 wrote:

Are you really having a bitch session about encore breaks? Lets sit and think about that for a moment. Yeah, there you go. Just let it soak in...

What the fuck is the problem with him starting this conversation? Incase you havent noticed, this is a MESSAGE BOARD. Thats what it is created for. To talk about WHATEVER you want as a fan. And, if YOU sit and think about it for a second, it makes sense.
Let that soak in.

dimitrispearljam

..peaple had really hard time last days..

Evacuation Rules

It says "Encore Break" right on the frigging bootleg CD's. Genius.

12345AGNST1

Arakias wrote:

why do people still consider pearl jams breaks (and returns) encores? I feel last night (10/31) the only "encore" was yellow ledbetter because everyone would have been happy after "rocking".

i believe that pearl jam takes breaks in order to allow the bootleg cds not to run over 80 mins or whatever per disc especially because its only been since the official bootlegs have we been getting "encores" of songs equally as long as the first "set" as people would say. this also leads to crowds actually taking a break between sets knowing full well that the show is not over and pearl jam will be returning. there is no need (not to be confused with there is no desire) for anyone to holler for them to return in these breaks!

this needs to stop, just call it Set 1 and Set 2 or something!

edit: i am more specifically referring to 10/31 philly setlist/fanviews because I was there, I havnt read the other threads to see how "encore" terms are being used as much but generally feel the same.

dimitrispearljam

12345AGNST1 wrote:

Arakias wrote:

why do people still consider pearl jams breaks (and returns) encores? I feel last night (10/31) the only "encore" was yellow ledbetter because everyone would have been happy after "rocking".

i believe that pearl jam takes breaks in order to allow the bootleg cds not to run over 80 mins or whatever per disc especially because its only been since the official bootlegs have we been getting "encores" of songs equally as long as the first "set" as people would say. this also leads to crowds actually taking a break between sets knowing full well that the show is not over and pearl jam will be returning. there is no need (not to be confused with there is no desire) for anyone to holler for them to return in these breaks!

this needs to stop, just call it Set 1 and Set 2 or something!

edit: i am more specifically referring to 10/31 philly setlist/fanviews because I was there, I havnt read the other threads to see how "encore" terms are being used as much but generally feel the same.

what a foto!!!!!!

arakias

Nor did rumored appearances by Bruce Springsteen or Billy Joel or Neil Young materialize -- although Pearl Jam's last pre-encore song was a scorching version of Young's ''Rockin' in the Free World.''

Pearl Jam rocks the Spectrum to the end with 41 songs in 31/2 hours
http://www.mcall.com/entertainment/all- ... 4066.story