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g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,200
edited November 2009 in A Moving Train
......WHO Gets What, When, and How decided by those who already get the What, When they want it, and How much of it they want.

Peace
*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti

*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti

*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)


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  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    yup

    the best scam they've pulled is that they've managed to split the population into 2 "opposite" groups so it doesn't matter who's in power - the same people benefit ...
  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    Yep. I checked out a long time ago. I have no faith that any of those scumbag politicians will ever do anything productive.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • DickeyeDickeye Posts: 11
    We have all been divided and conquered by our own foolishness. One can only hope we can rise above this two-party system and vote for someone who truly represents THE PEOPLE.
  • Pepe SilviaPepe Silvia Posts: 3,758
    dickeye wrote:
    We have all been divided and conquered by our own foolishness. One can only hope we can rise above this two-party system and vote for someone who truly represents THE PEOPLE.


    wasn't Washington against having political parties because he thought it created too much division?
    don't compete; coexist

    what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?

    "I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama

    when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
    i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
  • DickeyeDickeye Posts: 11
    Pepe Silvia wrote:
    dickeye wrote:
    We have all been divided and conquered by our own foolishness. One can only hope we can rise above this two-party system and vote for someone who truly represents THE PEOPLE.


    wasn't Washington against having political parties because he thought it created too much division?
    I believe so. All we've done is create a "McDonald's vs. Pizza Hut" situation. Screw that. I'm going to think outside the box. I want steak. I refuse to give in to this shit anymore. I'm so sick of this constant barrage of "leftwing loony", "repuke", etc. childish insult trading too. If we can't start working together, compromising along the way as needed, we're fucked.
  • JeanwahJeanwah Posts: 6,363
    Pepe Silvia wrote:
    dickeye wrote:
    We have all been divided and conquered by our own foolishness. One can only hope we can rise above this two-party system and vote for someone who truly represents THE PEOPLE.


    wasn't Washington against having political parties because he thought it created too much division?
    The thing is, society in America runs on competition. We all have to compete against somethingdon't we? Classmates, colleagues, sports, of course politics...everything, if you really think about it, is about competition. BUSINESS wouldn't be business as we know it, if it weren't for competition. So the day that we can all get past the idea that we have compete to live, is the day that unity will happen. The problem is, politicians are more about competition and not at all it seems, about actually representing the people. Take money and "who you know" out of the equation and we've got to wonder how some of them got in the position they're in at all.
  • g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,200
    ....a dirty unforgiving game where the winner takes it all and the losers are left standing small.

    Peace
    *We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti

    *MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
    .....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti

    *The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)


  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    ... bullshit.
    hear my name
    take a good look
    this could be the day
    hold my hand
    lie beside me
    i just need to say
  • cornnifercornnifer Posts: 2,130
    Dickeye wrote:
    We have all been divided and conquered by our own foolishness. One can only hope we can rise above this two-party system and vote for someone who truly represents THE PEOPLE.

    which people? America is so diverse. There is no one who could possibly represent all of the people. Not even MOST of the people.
    "When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
  • CommyCommy Posts: 4,984
    of all the sides and all the debates and all the politicking, at the end of the day there is only 1 truth.

    there is reality and there is everything else.
  • CommyCommy Posts: 4,984
    cornnifer wrote:
    Dickeye wrote:
    We have all been divided and conquered by our own foolishness. One can only hope we can rise above this two-party system and vote for someone who truly represents THE PEOPLE.

    which people? America is so diverse. There is no one who could possibly represent all of the people. Not even MOST of the people.
    i'd settle for the majority
  • DickeyeDickeye Posts: 11
    Commy wrote:
    cornnifer wrote:
    Dickeye wrote:
    We have all been divided and conquered by our own foolishness. One can only hope we can rise above this two-party system and vote for someone who truly represents THE PEOPLE.

    which people? America is so diverse. There is no one who could possibly represent all of the people. Not even MOST of the people.
    i'd settle for the majority

    We have to settle for the majority. You just can't please all the people, all the time. I know that. But that also goes right back to what I said about compromise.
  • cornnifercornnifer Posts: 2,130
    Commy wrote:
    cornnifer wrote:
    Dickeye wrote:
    We have all been divided and conquered by our own foolishness. One can only hope we can rise above this two-party system and vote for someone who truly represents THE PEOPLE.

    which people? America is so diverse. There is no one who could possibly represent all of the people. Not even MOST of the people.
    i'd settle for the majority

    Describe for me the desires of the MAJORITY. There is no majority.
    "When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
  • musicismylife78musicismylife78 Posts: 6,116
    no matter who wins, the government always gets in.

    The biggest fraud is the idea that somehow the 2 camps are different. that those with D's next to their name, are different from those with R's next to their names.

    Throughout history, the basic platform and ideology has never been questioned or challenged. The idea that america has a right to imperialism, and globalization, and expansion, and that all the resources of the earth are to be unearthed and used until that resource is completely gone and extinct. This is a way of thinking that every single president has shared since the birth of the nation.

    Thats why I think politics is a complete lie. Its a joke. It seems pointless to vote these idiots in year after year, hoping, praying, maybe, please maybe, they might change things.

    The definition of insanity is to continue doing something again and again, even when you know the outcome will be no different. Voting in politicians, when we know, that last election, last year, last decade, the last president didnt do squat to help us.

    It is clear to me that every politician is the same. That universally the rule is that you essentially have to sell your soul to be a politician.

    For me, Bush is and was evil. But I never understood those people who thought if only we could get a dem in office things would be better. Obama's actions have proven me 100 percent right. Obama is as clueless as Bush ever was. We are in the middle of 2 wars, that just like Bush, Obama thinks are winnable. And we are in a Depression economy. Obama has done precious little to combat global warming.

    Meet the new boss same as the old boss

    five year plans and new deals, wrapped in golden chains, and I wonder still, I wonder, who will stop the rain.

    To keep you in the dark, they all pretend.
  • musicismylife78musicismylife78 Posts: 6,116
    I feel bad for those suckered into the whole "Obama will change things" nonsense. Its been 9 months or whatever. When is he gonna end the damn wars?
  • g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,200
    .....or should be...
    PEOPLE SHOULD NOT BE AFRAID OF THEIR GOVERNMENTS, GOVERNMENTS SHOULD BE AFRAID OF THEIR PEOPLE
    ...from the movie V For Vendetta

    Peace
    *We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti

    *MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
    .....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti

    *The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)


  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Schmolitics.
  • aerialaerial Posts: 2,319
    musicismylife78 wrote:
    no matter who wins, the government always gets in.

    The biggest fraud is the idea that somehow the 2 camps are different. that those with D's next to their name, are different from those with R's next to their names.

    Throughout history, the basic platform and ideology has never been questioned or challenged. The idea that america has a right to imperialism, and globalization, and expansion, and that all the resources of the earth are to be unearthed and used until that resource is completely gone and extinct. This is a way of thinking that every single president has shared since the birth of the nation.

    Thats why I think politics is a complete lie. Its a joke. It seems pointless to vote these idiots in year after year, hoping, praying, maybe, please maybe, they might change things.

    The definition of insanity is to continue doing something again and again, even when you know the outcome will be no different. Voting in politicians, when we know, that last election, last year, last decade, the last president didnt do squat to help us.

    It is clear to me that every politician is the same. That universally the rule is that you essentially have to sell your soul to be a politician.

    For me, Bush is and was evil. But I never understood those people who thought if only we could get a dem in office things would be better. Obama's actions have proven me 100 percent right. Obama is as clueless as Bush ever was. We are in the middle of 2 wars, that just like Bush, Obama thinks are winnable. And we are in a Depression economy. Obama has done precious little to combat global warming.

    Meet the new boss same as the old boss

    five year plans and new deals, wrapped in golden chains, and I wonder still, I wonder, who will stop the rain.

    To keep you in the dark, they all pretend.



    I know most people here hate the Tea Party movement but the whole point of the Tea Party is to vote in new blood.....and vote out those that that play the political game......it doesn't matter if its right or left....we just want new people in office that don't have favors to dole out....
    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    aerial wrote:
    musicismylife78 wrote:
    no matter who wins, the government always gets in.

    The biggest fraud is the idea that somehow the 2 camps are different. that those with D's next to their name, are different from those with R's next to their names.

    Throughout history, the basic platform and ideology has never been questioned or challenged. The idea that america has a right to imperialism, and globalization, and expansion, and that all the resources of the earth are to be unearthed and used until that resource is completely gone and extinct. This is a way of thinking that every single president has shared since the birth of the nation.

    Thats why I think politics is a complete lie. Its a joke. It seems pointless to vote these idiots in year after year, hoping, praying, maybe, please maybe, they might change things.

    The definition of insanity is to continue doing something again and again, even when you know the outcome will be no different. Voting in politicians, when we know, that last election, last year, last decade, the last president didnt do squat to help us.

    It is clear to me that every politician is the same. That universally the rule is that you essentially have to sell your soul to be a politician.

    For me, Bush is and was evil. But I never understood those people who thought if only we could get a dem in office things would be better. Obama's actions have proven me 100 percent right. Obama is as clueless as Bush ever was. We are in the middle of 2 wars, that just like Bush, Obama thinks are winnable. And we are in a Depression economy. Obama has done precious little to combat global warming.

    Meet the new boss same as the old boss

    five year plans and new deals, wrapped in golden chains, and I wonder still, I wonder, who will stop the rain.

    To keep you in the dark, they all pretend.



    I know most people here hate the Tea Party movement but the whole point of the Tea Party is to vote in new blood.....and vote out those that that play the political game......it doesn't matter if its right or left....we just want new people in office that don't have favors to dole out....


    good luck with that. good luck with finding new blood that will not be corrupted by money and power. i thought the tea party movement was about lowering taxes? isn't it Taxed Enough Already?
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • dimitrispearljamdimitrispearljam Posts: 139,721
    full of shit..
    "...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
    "..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
    “..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
  • dimitrispearljamdimitrispearljam Posts: 139,721
    g under p wrote:
    .....or should be...
    PEOPLE SHOULD NOT BE AFRAID OF THEIR GOVERNMENTS, GOVERNMENTS SHOULD BE AFRAID OF THEIR PEOPLE
    ...from the movie V For Vendetta

    Peace
    +1
    "...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
    "..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
    “..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
  • aerialaerial Posts: 2,319
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    aerial wrote:
    musicismylife78 wrote:
    no matter who wins, the government always gets in.

    The biggest fraud is the idea that somehow the 2 camps are different. that those with D's next to their name, are different from those with R's next to their names.

    Throughout history, the basic platform and ideology has never been questioned or challenged. The idea that america has a right to imperialism, and globalization, and expansion, and that all the resources of the earth are to be unearthed and used until that resource is completely gone and extinct. This is a way of thinking that every single president has shared since the birth of the nation.

    Thats why I think politics is a complete lie. Its a joke. It seems pointless to vote these idiots in year after year, hoping, praying, maybe, please maybe, they might change things.

    The definition of insanity is to continue doing something again and again, even when you know the outcome will be no different. Voting in politicians, when we know, that last election, last year, last decade, the last president didnt do squat to help us.

    It is clear to me that every politician is the same. That universally the rule is that you essentially have to sell your soul to be a politician.

    For me, Bush is and was evil. But I never understood those people who thought if only we could get a dem in office things would be better. Obama's actions have proven me 100 percent right. Obama is as clueless as Bush ever was. We are in the middle of 2 wars, that just like Bush, Obama thinks are winnable. And we are in a Depression economy. Obama has done precious little to combat global warming.

    Meet the new boss same as the old boss

    five year plans and new deals, wrapped in golden chains, and I wonder still, I wonder, who will stop the rain.

    To keep you in the dark, they all pretend.



    I know most people here hate the Tea Party movement but the whole point of the Tea Party is to vote in new blood.....and vote out those that that play the political game......it doesn't matter if its right or left....we just want new people in office that don't have favors to dole out....


    good luck with that. good luck with finding new blood that will not be corrupted by money and power. i thought the tea party movement was about lowering taxes? isn't it Taxed Enough Already?

    It's not just about taxes...it's people that are tired of the corruption.....I would be glad to pay any taxes if I knew it was going to help the needy or our country, But I do not want to pay taxes to to bail out a bussiness that has fail. I do not want to have my taxes raised when congress has an automatic pay raise annully. Yet let this country go down the drain because they have other agendas favoring themselves and their friends.
    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    so let me get this straight aerial, you are tired of the corruption? where the hell were you and your teabag tossing friends when bush was in office?? there was corruption the likes of which had never been seen and most likely will never be seen again. am i to believe that everything that administration did was ok with you?
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • AusticmanAusticman Posts: 1,327
    ...............a failed businessmans club.
    I can't go the library anymore, everyone STINKS!!
  • aerialaerial Posts: 2,319
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    so let me get this straight aerial, you are tired of the corruption? where the hell were you and your teabag tossing friends when bush was in office?? there was corruption the likes of which had never been seen and most likely will never be seen again. am i to believe that everything that administration did was ok with you?


    I believe Bush is corrupt also . . . I never found an organization that was not biased until now. . . The Tea Party is not right or left.......that is the reason I became a supporter.......we more than likely do not always agree on all political views, but, everyone is sick of the corruption and the lies....
    Why is it I am always asked where “were you when Bush was in office?” What does that have to do with the Tea Party?
    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
  • aerialaerial Posts: 2,319
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    so let me get this straight aerial, you are tired of the corruption? where the hell were you and your teabag tossing friends when bush was in office?? there was corruption the likes of which had never been seen and most likely will never be seen again. am i to believe that everything that administration did was ok with you?


    What did you do about the corruption then?....and what are you doing now?
    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
  • g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,200
    aerial wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    so let me get this straight aerial, you are tired of the corruption? where the hell were you and your teabag tossing friends when bush was in office?? there was corruption the likes of which had never been seen and most likely will never be seen again. am i to believe that everything that administration did was ok with you?


    I believe Bush is corrupt also . . . I never found an organization that was not biased until now. . . The Tea Party is not right or left.......that is the reason I became a supporter.......we more than likely do not always agree on all political views, but, everyone is sick of the corruption and the lies....
    Why is it I am always asked where “were you when Bush was in office?” What does that have to do with the Tea Party?

    You're amazing where is it posted that it appears YOU are the ONLY one who mentioned TEA PARTY? Unless you just like to make assumptions and you know what happen when you assume.

    Peace
    *We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti

    *MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
    .....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti

    *The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)


  • aerialaerial Posts: 2,319
    g under p wrote:
    aerial wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    so let me get this straight aerial, you are tired of the corruption? where the hell were you and your teabag tossing friends when bush was in office?? there was corruption the likes of which had never been seen and most likely will never be seen again. am i to believe that everything that administration did was ok with you?


    I believe Bush is corrupt also . . . I never found an organization that was not biased until now. . . The Tea Party is not right or left.......that is the reason I became a supporter.......we more than likely do not always agree on all political views, but, everyone is sick of the corruption and the lies....
    Why is it I am always asked where “were you when Bush was in office?” What does that have to do with the Tea Party?

    You're amazing where is it posted that it appears YOU are the ONLY one who mentioned TEA PARTY? Unless you just like to make assumptions and you know what happen when you assume.

    Peace
    What are talking about? :?
    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    aerial wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    so let me get this straight aerial, you are tired of the corruption? where the hell were you and your teabag tossing friends when bush was in office?? there was corruption the likes of which had never been seen and most likely will never be seen again. am i to believe that everything that administration did was ok with you?


    I believe Bush is corrupt also . . . I never found an organization that was not biased until now. . . The Tea Party is not right or left.......that is the reason I became a supporter.......we more than likely do not always agree on all political views, but, everyone is sick of the corruption and the lies....
    Why is it I am always asked where “were you when Bush was in office?” What does that have to do with the Tea Party?

    HAHAHA tell me another one, please..... not biased?? roflmao....when your teabagger meetings and protests are sponsored and PROMOTED on fox news then by definition it can not be unbiased. end of discussion.

    i am willing to bet that you never cared about politics until obama got elected. that is why people like me ask "where were you when bush was in office". if you really cared back then you would have been outraged then. but if you did care and said nothing about it then you are a hypocrite.

    everyone in the tea movement is not sick of lies and corruption, they are angry because the american majority has abandoned their ideals. end of discussion, again....
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    aerial wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    so let me get this straight aerial, you are tired of the corruption? where the hell were you and your teabag tossing friends when bush was in office?? there was corruption the likes of which had never been seen and most likely will never be seen again. am i to believe that everything that administration did was ok with you?


    What did you do about the corruption then?....and what are you doing now?

    i wrote my congressmen, attended antiwar protests, wrote a letter to the white house, gave money to organizations that i believed in, donated money to various candidates. i basically stayed informed. what did you do? probably nothing but sat around and complained about it like you are doing right now. how you can say that this administration is as corrupt or more corrupt than the prior one is shocking.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
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