Billy Corgan - oh dear!
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Apparently swine flu is part of a conspiracy cooked up by Barack Obama to scare us all. Of course it is, Billy.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2009/oct/29/billy-corgan-swine-flu
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2009/oct/29/billy-corgan-swine-flu
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“Do not postpone happiness”
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That said, all the rest of that is Billy spewing paranoid nonsense. What ever happened to the dude?
Do you believe everything the government tells you, I knowcertainly don't? I certainly believe this was a man made disease whether created accidentally or by purposeful means it's here and people are dying which drives up the media driven fear of this disease.
To me it's not a stretch what he is saying sometimes one has to look at the bigger picture of what this kind of fear-mongering means 15-20 years from now.
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
Ever look back on a relationship which has ended? One where there were signs that the other person was off-the-wall nuts but you kept rationalizing away their behavior as being "just them... after all, that's what makes them who they are" only to realize that upon reflection they were truly sodding bonkers the entire time? And you just had your blinders on?
Yeah.
That's BC.
At least we still have one good memory (Siamese Dream).
Think 1988-2000 was one good memory.
I respect your views. But, personally, I've never understood Mellon Collie (or anything that came after it for that matter) or why it was popular. I'd listen to an explanation if you or anyone had one.
Firstly i just love their live side, such an intense band in terms of young angst and just playing beauty.
I dont like Adore on the studio side but the live side is one of the greatest things i've seen. here some youtube videos.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ds-fPZUdb0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47m7NbZ4iws
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jas6F3EZr5w
Machina is just an ace album too > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgpszOvRBOU
But they reworked like all the songs for each tour, 93 version of today is just so different and equally as good as a 2000 version (like check Bullet on youtube from 98, its around somewhere). They did this with so many other songs like Today, Porcelina, Thru Eyes. Sometimes it was just slight variations of here and there with some songs but was still cool, like the intro of Bullet on the 96 tour. Billy played so many acoustic versions of songs like I Am One and just sound so nice as well. Would find you examples but youtube sucks, so maybe i'll make a compilation if i can be assed.
Thats the live side throughout the band, not a lot i can say for studio except that i just love all their albums and they are on equal terms for me with Pearl Jam at least (i have all their live shows too). Billy is just a genious, shredding like a mofo (if anything better than mccready) or just writing pure beauty and sadness. I count myself lucky to have seen Billy and Jimmy on the recent reformation tour as i only a young'n, was nothing compared to the dvds and audio i got of them in the proper sp era but meh beggers cant be choosers.
Think thats everything i can think of, may re read later and edit lol.
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People totally disregard Gish, it's just as good as Siamese, so many grooves, riffs, solos, beats, fills and cool vocals. Dont get why people never talk about it as well! Guess its what didn't bust them out into the mainstream, but dont get why seeing it kicks so much ass.
First off, thanks for not taking offense that I said I didn't get them (SP). I can't say that I do any more now than I did before, but you've managed to point something out to me about what it is I don't get. There are several sides to this. One is the musical direction of the band. The other is when Corgan picks these obtuse angles to market himself from.
Mellon Collie had some really catchy and well crafted songs (1979 and Bullet w/...), but I've always had trouble being willing to give Corgan the benefit of the doubt about what direction he's going in because every time I see him he's dressing up in some different outfit. It seems disingenuous to me. Like he's trying to appeal to too many different people and not sure what direction he wants to take himself in.
There are other artists who have done this before and after, and to varying degrees of success. For example, Madonna gets accolades every time she "reinvents" herself. Personally, I think she's a better marketeer than artist. Ray of Light is the only album of hers I'll consider owning, but unfortunately for her that's more due to William Orbit than her. Then she moved on Music and American Life. Two visions of art I don't share any common ground with at all. Just like all of her albums before Ray of Light.
Corgan (for me) stood on solid ground with Gish and Siamese Dream. He then decided to expand his musical horizons, but (also to me) has changed his vision too many times and in too drastic directions for me to be able to go along for the ride.
The Pumpkins did an in-store at the record store I worked at when Adore came out. I remember listening to Adore and trying to like it. I just couldn't. I asked my manager to not schedule me. After all these years I still don't regret this. Especially after seeing that TNA Wrestling promo.
One thing I really appreciate about your suggestions and input, Brisk, is that you have focused on the live component of the music and how that transcends the more stupid aspects of needing (or feeling the need) to market yourself to maintain or "grow" a market. There is something special about live music that overcomes the idiocy of the rest of it all. Thanks for being cool with this all.
HeavyHands
Well think about it, PJ had ten and vs, both standard rock, groovey, badass albums then they did change.
Yeah, live is where its at man, i havent seen this videos for a whilst, just put Tear on and its just fucking amazing!
The outfit thing is interesting, i dont think he is trying to appeal to anyone. If anyone truly knows the pumpkins and billy then you would understand he is kind a joke to himself, he even said to people as a bad joke that he had a band called the smashing pumpkins (before it even existed). He is more serious now as he is older etc but still with his ego he is just having fun, people take him so literally its just retarded. I love the love shows because of this silly banter too, like in a scotland show in 08 he just rips into linkin park, hilarious! and when i saw them in Belgium in 08 too just said someone random shit about how Belgians eat xxKG of chocolate a day etc. Would he seriously wear shiny silver lyra pants and zero top to try and appeal to people? Never properly sussed the meaning of Zero but presume has something to do with the song or just the pure irony that he had a bad childhood and i gather he was considered a 'zero' but now look at him. Pre that he just wore corduroy and some really cool shirts i cant describe lol. But yeah i never understood the outfits, i always thought they had some meaning, like in the 2000 tour he wore black tunicy thing and then changed to a white one for the penultimate and last show. I kinda like these subtleties, adds more drama and stuff to it i guess.
But having saying that, just the musical he creates just gives me so much emotion, that For Martha solo for example just gets me every single time. Shame youtube quality sucks as i got some fine recordings.
I dont think anyone can comment on his ego or anything as none of us have experienced what making a lot of money and becoming world famous does to you, kinda goes for a lot of people i think, you never really truly know. People hate him and say he is a dick but look he is auctioning the bass that was used pre-gish and for their first show to cover a friends medical bills as she was in an accident.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 0473442784
But straying away from the point of it all, as you mentionened. Their music is just so complex, thing there is a lot more than what meets the eye, more so than pj perhaps. There are tens or hundreds of songs that billy wrote that we havent heard, i have a poster of all the sp songs (well claim to be from their site) and i dont recognise maybe 2/5 of them, maybe even half.
Their music for me is just pure phenemonal.
p.s Sorry for any bad grammar for spelling!
I agree with your point 100% ..... one way to keep the masses in line and cow towed is for goverments to build up hysteria ... this is never more easier than saturating that alarm through forced pandemics,add to that the back up of the media,news etc .. and it all manages to divert attention from all the scary shit goverments are really getting up too.
he certainly can shred! he's also reeeeeaaaaaaally tall and has huge hands which can help. he can be arrogant and pretentious but he can play the guitar like a motherfuckin riot!
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
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theres pretty solid fear across the board on this one... people just want to be distracted from how shitty the economy is right now maybe?
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*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
I also agree with you,There's an interesting line from the movie V for VENDETTA
PEOPLE SHOULD NOT BE AFRAID OF THEIR GOVERNMENTS, GOVERNMENTS SHOULD BE AFRAID OF THEIR PEOPLE
...and unfortunately in this country too many people tow that line unlike those in that movie V for Vendetta who rebelled and stood up to their government lies and deception.
peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)