The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill

musicismylife78

just listening to this classic album by L Boogie. What a great album. One of the great mysteries of modern music, is her disappearance from not just music, but from a public life of any kind really. She turned up for the MTV Unplugged thing where she performed rap/folk songs over guitar, and I remember when the Catholic Church scandal hit, she happened to be performing for the Vatican or something and she berated them, and then wasnt she in Dave Chappelle's Block Party thing?

Its amazing she could create such a flawless and perfect record and then completely disappear.

Will she ever make another record again?

Certainly even if this is the only record she ever records, thats a hell of a legacy.

What a record.

EddieLedBetter

if she wasnt filled with such a hatered for the white race.

Ledbetterman10

I'm dumb enough to walk in the store and steal
And I'm dumb enough ask for a date with Lauryn Hill

musicismylife78

EddieLedBetter wrote:

if she wasnt filled with such a hatered for the white race.

I know how ridiculous to have an intelligent black female, who felt it her duty, at least when she was making music, to make art that speaks about social ills and politics and racism. How absurd! How maddening!

And the things I have heard her rail about in song, is all right on. The staleness and junk food nature of pop music, men who treat women as objects, women who let men treat them as objects, the murder of amadou diallo. Wow, what an unintelligent person!

soulsinging

i thought she got married to some reggae musician or something and has had like 5 kids since she disappeared. for an artist that spoke so much about female empowerment, she sure seemed quick to drop her career to play housewife.

it's an ok album, but i always thought the whole fugees collective was vastly overrated... her, wyclef, etc... they had their moments, but nothing consistently blew me away.

aspoonfulweighsaton

I always thought it was "The Missed Education of Lauryn Hill"

Sorry, couldn't resist.

merkinball

I agree, it's a great album. Hate the fact that the interviews with the kids are tacked on to the end of every song though, and not their own track. Drives me nuts when the songs come up on shuffle.

musicismylife78

soulsinging wrote:

i thought she got married to some reggae musician or something and has had like 5 kids since she disappeared. for an artist that spoke so much about female empowerment, she sure seemed quick to drop her career to play housewife.

it's an ok album, but i always thought the whole fugees collective was vastly overrated... her, wyclef, etc... they had their moments, but nothing consistently blew me away.

of course, you would be that guy, soulsinging. On an album that is universally beloved, you would be the guy to come to this thread and say "yeah, I never understood this record".

thanks for the post friend.

Whether you personally like it soulsinging, the album clearly was and remains one of the biggest albums of all time. She won an armload of grammies that year, and the album pretty much created an entire genre of music, in neo-soul. It would be hard to understand musicians like Alicia Keys without understanding the impact this album had on them.

I also see the record as one of the few records in hip hop of the late 90's that is a welcome breather from the materialism and egocentricism of the p diddy's and mace's of the world at that time.

Whatever your view on her music, its clear to me, she always viewed her music as bound up with the struggle of her people. That her music was made as a soundtrack for rebellion and revolution. I deeply respect people who do things like that.

soulsinging

musicismylife78 wrote:

soulsinging wrote:

i thought she got married to some reggae musician or something and has had like 5 kids since she disappeared. for an artist that spoke so much about female empowerment, she sure seemed quick to drop her career to play housewife.

it's an ok album, but i always thought the whole fugees collective was vastly overrated... her, wyclef, etc... they had their moments, but nothing consistently blew me away.

of course, you would be that guy, soulsinging. On an album that is universally beloved, you would be the guy to come to this thread and say "yeah, I never understood this record".

thanks for the post friend.

Whether you personally like it soulsinging, the album clearly was and remains one of the biggest albums of all time. She won an armload of grammies that year, and the album pretty much created an entire genre of music, in neo-soul. It would be hard to understand musicians like Alicia Keys without understanding the impact this album had on them.

I also see the record as one of the few records in hip hop of the late 90's that is a welcome breather from the materialism and egocentricism of the p diddy's and mace's of the world at that time.

Whatever your view on her music, its clear to me, she always viewed her music as bound up with the struggle of her people. That her music was made as a soundtrack for rebellion and revolution. I deeply respect people who do things like that.

where did i say i didnt understand it? i said i thought it was overrated. the music was just nothing special. no better than anything amy winehouse has done (another artist that starting getting boatloads of good press... that style just goes over well with critics that think it makes them seem soulful). and her socio-political commentary was a bit tough to swallow when 1) she included the incredibly racist chinese skit on a prior album and 2) she subsequently bailed on all those "rebellion and revolution" values to be a proper, docile, homemaker. what part do you respect? the activisim, or bailing on it for the easy life the first chance she got?

g under p

soulsinging wrote:

i thought she got married to some reggae musician or something and has had like 5 kids since she disappeared. for an artist that spoke so much about female empowerment, she sure seemed quick to drop her career to play housewife.

it's an ok album, but i always thought the whole fugees collective was vastly overrated... her, wyclef, etc... they had their moments, but nothing consistently blew me away.

Yes she's on my top 10 list of musicians that have walked away from fame. Well what do you expect with 5 children with Rohan Marley former linebacker for the Miami Hurricanes and son of legend Bob Marley. Where's the time for music, seriously though I can see somewhere here in the future as the children get older she'll make a comeback. Musicians always seem to comeback if for only a little while.

BTW that album was very good very hard to top or even come close.

Peace

EddieLedBetter

musicismylife78 wrote:

EddieLedBetter wrote:

if she wasnt filled with such a hatered for the white race.

I know how ridiculous to have an intelligent black female, who felt it her duty, at least when she was making music, to make art that speaks about social ills and politics and racism. How absurd! How maddening!

And the things I have heard her rail about in song, is all right on. The staleness and junk food nature of pop music, men who treat women as objects, women who let men treat them as objects, the murder of amadou diallo. Wow, what an unintelligent person!

i wasnt refering to her lyrics or music. just her mouth

mookeywrench

winning a Grammy....there's a clear indicator of the quality of your music.

g under p

EddieLedBetter wrote:

if she wasnt filled with such a hatered for the white race.

Interesting that you say this when her 5 children's great grandfather was white and that would be Bob Marley's father. :?

Peace

kenny olav

musicismylife78 wrote:

She won an armload of grammies that year, and the album pretty much created an entire genre of music, in neo-soul. It would be hard to understand musicians like Alicia Keys without understanding the impact this album had on them.

fuck the grammys, fuck musical genres and fuck impact - music has not really changed over the centuries, only the instruments. she has a good voice and had a few good songs. that's all I have to say.

Kilgore_Trout

g under p wrote:

EddieLedBetter wrote:

if she wasnt filled with such a hatered for the white race.

Interesting that you say this when her 5 children's great grandfather was white and that would be Bob Marley's father. :?

Peace

dont turn it around and make eddieledbetter look like some sort of racist for saying it... read anything shes said about white people in the past and you'll see it goes overboard with baseless generalizations... im not one to pull the "reverse racist" card but theres really not a debate here...

good musician but just one of those people that loves to run their mouth off

AllNiteThing

Some decent music, but I'll agree with those who said the Fugees and her are way overrated, and she comes off as ignorant and racist in interviews.

g under p

Kilgore_Trout wrote:

g under p wrote:

EddieLedBetter wrote:

if she wasnt filled with such a hatered for the white race.

Interesting that you say this when her 5 children's great grandfather was white and that would be Bob Marley's father. :?

Peace

dont turn it around and make eddieledbetter look like some sort of racist for saying it... read anything shes said about white people in the past and you'll see it goes overboard with baseless generalizations... im not one to pull the "reverse racist" card but theres really not a debate here...

good musician but just one of those people that loves to run their mouth off

Never said he was a racist, it would be nice to provide a link to how she speaks of hatred towards white people. If so maybe that's maybe why she has shunned the limelight since this album.

Peace

EddieLedBetter

Kilgore_Trout wrote:

g under p wrote:

EddieLedBetter wrote:

if she wasnt filled with such a hatered for the white race.

Interesting that you say this when her 5 children's great grandfather was white and that would be Bob Marley's father. :?

Peace

dont turn it around and make eddieledbetter look like some sort of racist for saying it... read anything shes said about white people in the past and you'll see it goes overboard with baseless generalizations... im not one to pull the "reverse racist" card but theres really not a debate here...

good musician but just one of those people that loves to run their mouth off

thank you! I own her album, i dont dislike her. Its vise versa. Nevertheless she obviously wasnt that brilliant of a musical mastermind behind the Miseducation. Shes in the where are they now section.

evenflow

Interesting fact: The engineer on "The Miseducation...", Devon Kirkpatrick, was the engineer on my bands debut album. He won a grammy for the Lauryn Hill disc, ours still hasen't been offically released yet, so maybe in a couple of months we'll help him get his second one .

EddieLedBetter

dont get your hopes up. The engineer for my brothers album did John Mayer and the Black Crowes albums and it didnt help him much. The music business is damn near impossible to get into these days. Less you go indie and get paid like a waitress

Spiritual_Chaos

evenflow said:

Interesting fact: The engineer on "The Miseducation...", Devon Kirkpatrick, was the engineer on my bands debut album. He won a grammy for the Lauryn Hill disc, ours still hasen't been offically released yet, so maybe in a couple of months we'll help him get his second one .

How did it go

Spiritual_Chaos

Anyone seen her live now when she plays everything super-fast and her concerts look to be like 60 minute long?

Loujoe

Saw her about 5 years ago and she came on late...was cool but i couldnt find the groove. Just lots of shout outs not too much singing but we left after first couple of songs so maybe got better. Plus started off bad making crowd waaaaaittt. Reminded me of GnR back in the day.

my2hands

Classic Album

Thoughts_Arrive

my2hands said:

Classic Album

This post has piqued my interest in this album. Listening to previews on iTunes

Spiritual_Chaos

Thoughts_Arrive said:

my2hands said:

Classic Album

This post has piqued my interest in this album. Listening to previews on iTunes

Top 5 album of the 90s. 

Will be skipping the concert though on the 10th... cant travel across the country to Stockholm for it. Feeling stressed missing it though... Doubt she'll be back. Fuck. Fuck,

lolobugg

saw her live a couple of years back. really good show. her DJ played a lot of 80s/90s grooves as a opener. She actually came out on time. it was pretty unbelievable.

Tim Simmons

She headlined Pitchfork this summer and it was a bit of a disaster. Long delay (both for the opening of the gates because of her soundcheck) and for the show its self. She changed up all the big singles on the album and that left a bad taste in peoples mouths (especially when you are touring the 20th anniversary of the record).

She's insanely talented. She comes at things from left field though and I think that can put people off.

Tim Simmons

Here's the writeup.
https://www.stereogum.com/2006867/pitchfork-music-festival-the-gratification-and-frustration-of-lauryn-hill/franchises/sounding-board/