Star Wars...a touching story about killing your children

Hammerdonkey

If you think about it, there is only one story told in this trilogy (I say trilogy because the following 3 don't count as actual movies to me due to their level of suck). That story is about an angry man who will travel the lengths of the universe to find and kill his twins.

Other than that, there's really no story if you think about it. The Empire doesn't really do anything evil outside of blowing up a planet, which is pretty cruel. Beyond that, they waste a lot of time hunting for a handful of people. The Jedi don't really do anything good with their powers except for lift a space ship out of swamp water so a young partially homosexual boy can fly back to another planet. Thanks Yoda.

George Lucas....greatest prank ever pulled was his movies.

AllNiteThing

I thought Vader didn't know he had kids? The Empire was suppressing planets' self-determination and suppressing the rebellion against them. They don't really show all the atrocities the Empire enacted, but we do know they rounded up Jedis and some others in a kind of 'purge'. So, there certainly was reason for there to be a rebel alliance. Vader was after Leia (on orders of the emperor) because she was leading the rebels, not because she was his daughter.

decides2dream

AllNiteThing wrote:

I thought Vader didn't know he had kids? The Empire was suppressing planets' self-determination and suppressing the rebellion against them. They don't really show all the atrocities the Empire enacted, but we do know they rounded up Jedis and some others in a kind of 'purge'. So, there certainly was reason for there to be a rebel alliance. Vader was after Leia (on orders of the emperor) because she was leading the rebels, not because she was his daughter.

not too big - or serious - a fan eh?





btw - hiya!
:wave:

Hammerdonkey

Dude, Vader was a Jedi/Sith Lord. He can sense a presence galaxies away. You trying to tell me he didn't know when he didn't pull out that he had left some DNA behind? Did he not see this girl he was banging accidentally in a club somewhere and notice she was a little pregnant? I would have asked some questions. I don't buy the fact that he didn't know he had kids. He also knew Luke was his son when he almost fell out of Cloud City and didn't seem to care as he watched him fall a million feet. Face it, Darth Vader is a terrible father.

dcfaithful

Hammerdonkey wrote:

Dude, Vader was a Jedi/Sith Lord. He can sense a presence galaxies away. You trying to tell me he didn't know when he didn't pull out that he had left some DNA behind? Did he not see this girl he was banging accidentally in a club somewhere and notice she was a little pregnant? I would have asked some questions. I don't buy the fact that he didn't know he had kids. He also knew Luke was his son when he almost fell out of Cloud City and didn't seem to care as he watched him fall a million feet. Face it, Darth Vader is a terrible father.

Vader could beat up your dad!

j/k

catefrances

Hammerdonkey wrote:

Dude, Vader was a Jedi/Sith Lord. He can sense a presence galaxies away. You trying to tell me he didn't know when he didn't pull out that he had left some DNA behind? Did he not see this girl he was banging accidentally in a club somewhere and notice she was a little pregnant? I would have asked some questions. I don't buy the fact that he didn't know he had kids. He also knew Luke was his son when he almost fell out of Cloud City and didn't seem to care as he watched him fall a million feet. Face it, Darth Vader is a terrible father.

vader knew about luke. you think he went back to tattooine just to see his old school chums???

amidala wasnt someone anakin was just banging in a spaceclub somewhere. they were married.

he didnt need to save luke when he fell out of bespin. he knew the millenium falcon was close by and besides it gave him an opportuntiy to discover he had a daughter. if he didnt know already. he most probably sensed the rise in midichlorian levels in amidala before he killed her and thought the baby she was carrying was quite a powerful jedi in the making. but what it was was double midis due to twins. anyways after the emperor told him he killed amidala i imagine he figured any unborn child would have died with her. who put the notion in anakins head that he had a child out there somewhere is anyones guess.

rival.

catefrances wrote:

vader knew about luke. you think he went back to tattooine just to see his old school chums???

when did vader ever step foot on tattooine? the empire was sent there to recover the escape pod that had r2 & c3po in it.

catefrances

singularity wrote:

catefrances wrote:

vader knew about luke. you think he went back to tattooine just to see his old school chums???

when did vader ever step foot on tattooine? the empire was sent there to recover the escape pod that had r2 & c3po in it.

i was using vader as being representative of the empire. not literally.

Hammerdonkey

Darth Vader once struck out Pete Rose in an intergallactic All-Star game. Willie Stargell went 2-3.

True story.

TriumphantAngel

Hammerdonkey wrote:

If you think about it, there is only one story told in this trilogy (I say trilogy because the following 3 don't count as actual movies to me due to their level of suck). That story is about an angry man who will travel the lengths of the universe to find and kill his twins.

Other than that, there's really no story if you think about it. The Empire doesn't really do anything evil outside of blowing up a planet, which is pretty cruel. Beyond that, they waste a lot of time hunting for a handful of people. The Jedi don't really do anything good with their powers except for lift a space ship out of swamp water so a young partially homosexual boy can fly back to another planet. Thanks Yoda.

George Lucas....greatest prank ever pulled was his movies.

I find your lack of faith disturbing..

MrMerkinball

Actually - the story in star wars is really quite good. Lucas just had a hard time telling the story

Heatherj43

I hated Star Wars, as well as Star Trek. My son is 34 and was a little boy when the first Star Wars came around. He loved it all his life, even today. I found it boring and it costed me a lot of money. I bought all the people and ships and whatever. By the way, my son has the original figures of the people.
Anyway, I never liked the 3 Stooges either. I think my mind must be different than so many others 'cuz I hate all that stuff so many others love.

Hammerdonkey

Heather, all I can say is it takes a huge pair to criticize the comedic stylings of the Three Stooges. I mean, Star Wars is just plain embarrassing to me as a grown man but the Stooges are an American institution. I admire your honesty. You are an inspiration to those who fear the sound of their own voice.

P.S. Star Wars is gay.

Ledbetterman10

Hammerdonkey wrote:

Heather, all I can say is it takes a huge pair to criticize the comedic stylings of the Three Stooges. I mean, Star Wars is just plain embarrassing to me as a grown man but the Stooges are an American institution. I admire your honesty. You are an inspiration to those who fear the sound of their own voice.

P.S. Star Wars is gay.

Moe, Larry, and Shemp are tolerable if you watch them once in a a while but anyone who is entertained by Curly is fucking brain-dead.

Heatherj43

Hammerdonkey wrote:

Heather, all I can say is it takes a huge pair to criticize the comedic stylings of the Three Stooges. I mean, Star Wars is just plain embarrassing to me as a grown man but the Stooges are an American institution. I admire your honesty. You are an inspiration to those who fear the sound of their own voice.

P.S. Star Wars is gay.

LOL! My own voice wasn't being heard, at least not by me, I typed those words.
Oh by the way, Did you read that Soupy Sales died...now he was funny.
C'mon, you really find the 3 stooges form of comedy funny? Its grade school.

Heatherj43

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

Hammerdonkey wrote:

Heather, all I can say is it takes a huge pair to criticize the comedic stylings of the Three Stooges. I mean, Star Wars is just plain embarrassing to me as a grown man but the Stooges are an American institution. I admire your honesty. You are an inspiration to those who fear the sound of their own voice.

P.S. Star Wars is gay.

Moe, Larry, and Shemp are tolerable if you watch them once in a a while but anyone who is entertained by Curly is fucking brain-dead.

Thank You.

Hammerdonkey

I think you all are taking this all a bit too seriously. I have passion about stuff that really matters. Those things do not include Star Wars and men throwing pie at each other. Come on folks, have some sense. Nothing truly matters except your children's happiness. All the rest of this crap is done to pass the time until we die.

Use that noggin people.

Heatherj43

Hammerdonkey wrote:

I think you all are taking this all a bit too seriously. I have passion about stuff that really matters. Those things do not include Star Wars and men throwing pie at each other. Come on folks, have some sense. Nothing truly matters except your children's happiness. All the rest of this crap is done to pass the time until we die.

Use that noggin people.

LOL! I know. I did however spend a lot on that crap. And I never saw the entertainment in it. Oh and entertainement is important. I cannot imagine a world that everything is serious. Sometimes just watching jerry Springer is enough to take me out of all the bad things in the world and laugh.

Hammerdonkey

I forgot to include the Dallas Cowboys, a college playoff system, Fedor's incredible fighting skills and Eddie Murphy in my list of things that are important.

Star Wars is equal in importance to Burt Reynolds' mustache from 1978.

catefrances

MrMerkinball wrote:

Actually - the story in star wars is really quite good. Lucas just had a hard time telling the story

thats cause lucas wrote for 12 year old boys. he admitted that himself. i think thats why im so disappointed with the prequels(ugh just saying that word makes me shudder). he forgot those 12 year old boys (and girls) grew up. i was 12 when starwars came out. heck im such a nerd all it takes is hearing thsoe first notes of the john willams theme and i get teary. thats what a big pull it was for me. and now of course my kids think im a freak cause i get so wrapped up in it. they just dont understand. though admittedly ive got zoe aged 10 into robotchicken starwars.

hrd2imgn

one of the best thread titles ever, kudos

bookmuse

catefrances wrote:

though admittedly ive got zoe aged 10 into robotchicken starwars.

What is robotchicken starwars? My 7 year old is a Star Wars freak. The little lego characters are a hot commodity for him and his little friends. We adopted a kitten this summer and he named her Padme.

catefrances

bookmuse wrote:

catefrances wrote:

though admittedly ive got zoe aged 10 into robotchicken starwars.

What is robotchicken starwars? My 7 year old is a Star Wars freak. The little lego characters are a hot commodity for him and his little friends. We adopted a kitten this summer and he named her Padme.

robot chicken is a show from the brain of seth green that uses stop motion animation with action figures to tell stories. theyve tackled starwars twice. and theyre well worth watching. theyre funny as hell. though im not 7 so...

LikeAnOcean

Vader was seduced by the dark side!.. duh!!


Seriously, people.. hate all you want.. there's a damn good reason Star Wars is the greatest story of our time.

Vader did not know he had kids. He found out AFTER he plotted to destroy them, and since already a follower of the darkside, he continued with his plan to destroy them, but emotion over ruled and he could not kill his own kids.. YOU MISSED THE WHOLE FUCKING POINT OF THE SAGA!

Its a mythical story of rise and fall, with "good" overruling in the end.. It's simplistic, but you can't beat it.

If you're not feeling it, you're either heartless, misguided or a robot.

The original star wars trilogy can never be overrated.. impossible!


Not to mention the politics of the empire and how it came to be and how it relates to our world..

catefrances

LikeAnOcean wrote:

Vader was seduced by the dark side!.. duh!!...

anakin was weak. not to mention a whiney little git. thinking the universe owed him something. wouldnt listen to the advice of those who knew better. puh-lease... he shouldve been smacked in the chops long ago. long before he basically killed his wife. not to mention defenseless children. he was manipulated to perfection by the emperor, though this turned out to be palpatines personal downfall in the end. talk about frankensteins monster. anyhoo...

Thorns2010

catefrances wrote:

anakin was weak. not to mention a whiney little git. thinking the universe owed him something. wouldnt listen to the advice of those who knew better. puh-lease... he shouldve been smacked in the chops long ago. long before he basically killed his wife. not to mention defenseless children. he was manipulated to perfection by the emperor, though this turned out to be palpatines personal downfall in the end. talk about frankensteins monster. anyhoo...

I'd say this is my biggest complaint about the prequel trilogy. It turned this kick ass, bad ass mofo (Vader) into some whinny ass little BITCH.

Not sure what I'd have done differently, but I'd like to think I'd come up with something better than a momma's boy who couldn't handle death for the reason Anakin turned to the Dark Side.

catefrances

Thorns2010 wrote:

catefrances wrote:

anakin was weak. not to mention a whiney little git. thinking the universe owed him something. wouldnt listen to the advice of those who knew better. puh-lease... he shouldve been smacked in the chops long ago. long before he basically killed his wife. not to mention defenseless children. he was manipulated to perfection by the emperor, though this turned out to be palpatines personal downfall in the end. talk about frankensteins monster. anyhoo...

I'd say this is my biggest complaint about the prequel trilogy. It turned this kick ass, bad ass mofo (Vader) into some whinny ass little BITCH.

Not sure what I'd have done differently, but I'd like to think I'd come up with something better than a momma's boy who couldn't handle death for the reason Anakin turned to the Dark Side.

palpatine was a master manipulator. but if one ever thought qui gonn was correct in his assumption that it would be anakin whod bring balance to the force then they are about as deluded as anakin was. it was always gonna be luke - always. and no matter how many times anakin was told about how seductive the dark side was he never quite got it. he thought he knew it all. sure he was redeemed by saving his sons life. and perhaps thats what lucas was about all along... the redemptive power fo love.

polaris_x

hayden christiansen was horrible casting ... the story under the direction of someone else could have been better ...

really - the only true kick ass character in this saga was yoda ... in all the movies and in all the fantastical worlds ever created by the imagination of everyone - no character comes close to being as cool as yoda ...

catefrances

polaris_x wrote:

hayden christiansen was horrible casting ... the story under the direction of someone else could have been better ...

really - the only true kick ass character in this saga was yoda ... in all the movies and in all the fantastical worlds ever created by the imagination of everyone - no character comes close to being as cool as yoda ...

MUPPETS RULE KO!!!

Hammerdonkey

LikeAnOcean wrote:

Vader was seduced by the dark side!.. duh!!


Seriously, people.. hate all you want.. there's a damn good reason Star Wars is the greatest story of our time.

Vader did not know he had kids. He found out AFTER he plotted to destroy them, and since already a follower of the darkside, he continued with his plan to destroy them, but emotion over ruled and he could not kill his own kids.. YOU MISSED THE WHOLE FUCKING POINT OF THE SAGA!

Its a mythical story of rise and fall, with "good" overruling in the end.. It's simplistic, but you can't beat it.

If you're not feeling it, you're either heartless, misguided or a robot.

The original star wars trilogy can never be overrated.. impossible!


Not to mention the politics of the empire and how it came to be and how it relates to our world..

You almost had me....until the politics. There's really nothing relevant in Star Wars that can't be said for any other movie that dabbles in politics. Just like religious sermons, vague political concepts ring true no matter what era. That's how they pull you in. I just chose to let it go because it (Star Wars) served it's purpose. It entertained me as a child. Then I grew up and had kids of my own and stopped being fascinated with stuff like that.

George Lucas is a one trick pony.

rival.

vader didnt know he had children until empire strikes back.

hell, lucas didn't even know vader had children until empire stikes back. he was making up things as he went along...