Who do you think Ed and the guys are rooting for in the WS?

BF25394

CROJAM95 wrote:

BF25394 wrote:

The Yankees are the most conservative and Republican of teams. I think the band will be rooting for the Angels the next two nights and, if that doesn't work out, then they'll be rooting for the Phillies.

Republican???? maybe George's personal politics

the team screams of liberalism

Yeah, it screams of liberalism to ban long hair and anything but neatly trimmed mustaches. Come on, man, it's fine if that's what you're into, but the Yankees are the ultimate corporate sports franchise.

What are you going to tell me next, that Duke basketball fans are a bunch of hippies?

CROJAM95

BF25394 wrote:

CROJAM95 wrote:

BF25394 wrote:

The Yankees are the most conservative and Republican of teams. I think the band will be rooting for the Angels the next two nights and, if that doesn't work out, then they'll be rooting for the Phillies.

Republican???? maybe George's personal politics

the team screams of liberalism

Yeah, it screams of liberalism to ban long hair and anything but neatly trimmed mustaches. Come on, man, it's fine if that's what you're into, but the Yankees are the ultimate corporate sports franchise.

What are you going to tell me next, that Duke basketball fans are a bunch of hippies?

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theoceansmademe

BF25394 wrote:

CROJAM95 wrote:

BF25394 wrote:

The Yankees are the most conservative and Republican of teams. I think the band will be rooting for the Angels the next two nights and, if that doesn't work out, then they'll be rooting for the Phillies.

Republican???? maybe George's personal politics

the team screams of liberalism

Yeah, it screams of liberalism to ban long hair and anything but neatly trimmed mustaches. Come on, man, it's fine if that's what you're into, but the Yankees are the ultimate corporate sports franchise.

What are you going to tell me next, that Duke basketball fans are a bunch of hippies?

Just what I was going to post.

The hair length rule is a total RNC move.

But I will give the Yankees fans their due, a few years back Cheney was at a game and was shown on the big screen and was loudly "BOOOOOOOOOOED"

theboxerorthebag

and the Phillies and Angels organization are liberal? Please? Baseball teams are like corporations, looking to make money. That is all of them. The Phillies and Angels are hardly running a co-op.

BF25394 wrote:

theboxerorthebag wrote:

that is such bs. I am a Yankees fan and you can't find a more loyal Democrat than me.

BF25394 wrote:

The Yankees are the most conservative and Republican of teams. I think the band will be rooting for the Angels the next two nights and, if that doesn't work out, then they'll be rooting for the Phillies.

Of course, there are exceptions. But do you really deny that the Yankees represent the ideals of conservatives? Unfettered big business, slavish respect for tradition, the never-changing uniforms (as a Yankees hater, this is one thing I actually respect about the Yankees-- no dopey third jerseys), tickets only an investment banker can afford, etc.

Dirtie_Frank

SO the team instals some discipline into the Yankees, No long hair and Neatly trimmed facial hair. So what? Have you ever noticed before the games their uniforms are crisp. To be a winner you need to act like a winner and look like a winner not some jack ass from off the street. Sort of like in the Military.

Edit: I am not against long hair or beards, but if that is what it takes to run a tight ship so be it. I like Ed with his current locks it looks good. The NJ Devils are the same no facial hair until the playoffs.

BF25394

theboxerorthebag wrote:

and the Phillies and Angels organization are liberal? Please? Baseball teams are like corporations, looking to make money. That is all of them. The Phillies and Angels are hardly running a co-op.

The Phillies and Angels have their limits. The Yankees are Standard Oil. They are Microsoft. Their 2009 payroll is more than twice that of 22 major-league teams. 2009 payrolls:

Yankees: $201.4 million
Angels: $113.7 million
Phillies: $113.0 million

Anyway, no one spent more freely than the "conservative" George W. Bush. He was left a surplus by the Democrat who preceded him, and handed over a $1.2 trillion deficit and a cratering economy to the Democrat who succeeded him. Two wars, Medicare Part D, TARP, tax cuts for the rich. That's Bush's free-spending legacy.

Dirtie_Frank

Under George Steinbrenner, long hair and facial hair below the lip are prohibited. Players who do not fit these criteria must shave the excess hair. In the past, visible tattoos were also prohibited and players wore navy blue arm bands to cover them, although this practice has since been ceased.

Although this is a policy that all baseball teams once had, the Yankees are currently the only team with such a policy and have gotten notoriety enforcing it. Many players, most notably Reggie Jackson, Roger Clemens, Jason Giambi, Gary Sheffield, Johnny Damon, and Randy Johnson either had long hair, significant facial hair, or both before playing for the Yankees, but were clean-cut by the time they had their press conferences unveiling them as members of the Yankees.


Yankees are keeping it old School with the hair.

BF25394

Dirtie_Frank wrote:

SO the team instals some discipline into the Yankees, No long hair and Neatly trimmed facial hair. So what? Have you ever noticed before the games their uniforms are crisp. To be a winner you need to act like a winner and look like a winner not some jack ass from off the street. Sort of like in the Military.

Edit: I am not against long hair or beards, but if that is what it takes to run a tight ship so be it. I like Ed with his current locks it looks good. The NJ Devils are the same no facial hair until the playoffs.

I think it's great if that's how they want to run their business. However, allowing grown men to make their own grooming decisions hasn't seemed to inhibit the 7 franchises that have won a World Series this millennium (the Yankees not among them) from doing so. Baseball is not the military. The military has much more reason to encourage conformity and equality.

Anyway, the point was that this policy, whatever its merits, hardly "screams of liberalism."

pandora

CROJAM95 wrote:

jimed14 wrote:

CROJAM95 wrote:

I bet Johnny "Guitar" Damon has met Ed and the boys

oh yea Philly fans...Ed and Jeff took BP at Shea last year after one of the MSG shows, inquiring minds want to know how you feel about that

I assume they've done this at multiple parks ... here's Fenway ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QN52ibaFmw8

and c'mon, we all know that after the Cubs, Ed's team is the Red Sox ... don't think I've ever seen him rock out with Brian Cashman ...

Theo looks like he's been hittin the good ole gravity bong

:lolno: :crazy:
gravity bong

jimed14

BF25394 wrote:

theboxerorthebag wrote:

and the Phillies and Angels organization are liberal? Please? Baseball teams are like corporations, looking to make money. That is all of them. The Phillies and Angels are hardly running a co-op.

The Phillies and Angels have their limits. The Yankees are Standard Oil. They are Microsoft. Their 2009 payroll is more than twice that of 22 major-league teams. 2009 payrolls:

Yankees: $201.4 million
Angels: $113.7 million
Phillies: $113.0 million

Anyway, no one spent more freely than the "conservative" George W. Bush. He was left a surplus by the Democrat who preceded him, and handed over a $1.2 trillion deficit and a cratering economy to the Democrat who succeeded him. Two wars, Medicare Part D, TARP, tax cuts for the rich. That's Bush's free-spending legacy.

It's just amazing to see those numbers ... and yeah, the Red Sox were at $121M ... (Mets I think were 2nd with $149M)

The Yankees are just playing on a whole different level than anyone else.

BF25394

jimed14 wrote:

BF25394 wrote:

theboxerorthebag wrote:

and the Phillies and Angels organization are liberal? Please? Baseball teams are like corporations, looking to make money. That is all of them. The Phillies and Angels are hardly running a co-op.

The Phillies and Angels have their limits. The Yankees are Standard Oil. They are Microsoft. Their 2009 payroll is more than twice that of 22 major-league teams. 2009 payrolls:

Yankees: $201.4 million
Angels: $113.7 million
Phillies: $113.0 million

Anyway, no one spent more freely than the "conservative" George W. Bush. He was left a surplus by the Democrat who preceded him, and handed over a $1.2 trillion deficit and a cratering economy to the Democrat who succeeded him. Two wars, Medicare Part D, TARP, tax cuts for the rich. That's Bush's free-spending legacy.

It's just amazing to see those numbers ... and yeah, the Red Sox were at $121M ... (Mets I think were 2nd with $149M)

The Yankees are just playing on a whole different level than anyone else.

Team 2009 payroll
New York Yankees $201,449,189
New York Mets $149,373,987
Chicago Cubs $134,809,000
Boston Red Sox $121,745,999
Detroit Tigers $115,085,145
Los Angeles Angels $113,709,00
Philadelphia Phillies $113,004,046
Houston Astros $102,996,414
Los Angeles Dodgers $100,414,592
Seattle Mariners $98,904,166
Atlanta Braves $96,726,166
Chicago White Sox $96,068,500
San Francisco Giants $82,616,450
Cleveland Indians $81,579,166
Toronto Blue Jays $80,538,300
Milwaukee Brewers $80,182,502
St. Louis Cardinals $77,605,109
Colorado Rockies $75,201,000
Cincinnati Reds $73,558,500
Arizona Diamondbacks $73,516,666
Kansas City Royals $70,519,333
Texas Rangers $68,178,798
Baltimore Orioles $67,101,666
Minnesota Twins $65,299,266
Tampa Bay Rays $63,313,034
Oakland Athletics $62,310,000
Washington Nationals $60,328,000
Pittsburgh Pirates $48,693,000
San Diego Padres $43,734,200
Florida Marlins $36,834,000

Source: USA Today

Dirtie_Frank

Top 10 MLB Revenues (MILL):
264 New York Yankees
201 Boston Red Sox
180 New York Mets
173 Seattle Mariners
170 Chicago Cubs
167 Philadelphia Phillies
166 Los Angeles Dodgers
162 Atlanta Braves
159 San Francisco Giants
155 Houston Astros

Bottom 5 MLB Revenues:
107 Toronto Blue Jays
104 Kansas City Royals
103 Florida Marlins
102 Minnesota Twins
80 Washington Nationals

% or Revenue spent on Payroll
79% Washington Nationals
79% Chicago White Sox
74% New York Yankees
70% Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim
67% Toronto Blue Jays
66% Detroit Tigers
62% Minnesota Twins
60% Houston Astros
60% Boston Red Sox
59% Los Angeles Dodgers
59% St Louis Cardinals
57% San Francisco Giants
56% New York Mets
56% Atlanta Braves
55% Chicago Cubs
53% Oakland Athletics
53% Philadelphia Phillies
52% Milwaukee Brewers
51% Seattle Mariners
49% Baltimore Orioles
48% Cincinnati Reds
48% Texas Rangers
47% San Diego Padres
45% Kansas City Royals
44% Arizona Diamondbacks
43% Pittsburgh Pirates
40% Cleveland Indians
32% Tampa Bay Devil Rays
31% Colorado Rockies
15% Florida Marlins


So the Yankees put their money back into the team so what.

BF25394

I don't think I have questioned the Yankees' right to spend big dollars on payroll. You're missing the point. Someone asked who PJ would root for. I said they would not root for the Yankees because the Yankees are the most conservative and Republican of franchises. Someone questioned that premise. I explained why, including citing unfettered big business as an example of a conservative value.

Having said that, why might it be a bad thing in this instance for one team to so far outspend everyone else? Because the entire game hinges on there being some semblance of competitive integrity-- that the teams are on a level playing field. Thankfully, baseball is a quirky enough game where sky-high payrolls don't guarantee you championships. The Yankees have always been the richest team. In the old days, the Philadelphia/Kansas City Athletics were essentially farm teams for the Yankees, who would buy their best players when the A's could no longer afford them. So it's not anything new. It's not a coincidence that the Yankees won 26 World Series in a 78-year span and were the richest team the entire time. That's the system. They're using it to their advantage. Bully for them. But they are definitely a white-collar, conservative, "Republican" operation.

Mawky1103

I've been a die hard Yankee Fan my entire life, and I'm as liberal as you can get. Also fucking love Pearl Jam...just putting my two sense in. Also, Yanks aren't even there yet...but will be come Saturday night.

PJ Fan est. 1990

ok ok lemme just end this whole yanks/conservative crap...mainly the facial hair stuff...that's all Steinbrenner...he's conservative, he owns the team and therefore that influences their business practices...prior to Steinbrenner, the team did allow long hair and beards...i mean look at Thermon Munson (sorry for spelling) during the pre-steinbrenner days



it even looked more mangled than that at times...if you have the YES Network, watch Yankeeography: Thermon Munson they discuss just that

all the conservatism on the team is about 90% Steinbrenner. he even shows Fox News Network commercials...but really that' as bad as it is...then it's probably about 7% Cashman and 3% other if you look at the players, they are probably mostly liberal. and besides, politics is no reason to choose a sports team and Eddie knows that.

EDIT: oh and one other thing, probably every sports team owner is conservative like how Bush owned The Rangers. genrally the more wealthy you are the higher the chances of you being conservative, not that that means you really are, but among aristocrats like CEO's and Big Business owners (remember sports is a big business) you are probably conservative

BF25394

Professional baseball players are overwhelmingly Republican.

The entire Yankee "aura" is conservative (not the stripper Aura that Curt Schilling talked about-- she's liberal). Traditional, staid, conforming, rich. I'm not making a value judgment here. That's how they present themselves. The Mets have always been the blue-collar team with the blue-collar fans (maybe this will change now that they have an expensive new ballpark).

BF25394

Mark Teixeira summed up the synergy between the Yankees and Republican/conservative values with this quote after last night's game: "To the rich go the spoils." Note that he didn't say, "To the victor go the spoils."

Solat13

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PureandEasy

Solat13 wrote:

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sweet pic Joe, I heard Ed was there on Sunday, along with Pat the bat being back in town. All that manly man in one room would just be too much for me.

Gary Carter

BF25394 wrote:

Professional baseball players are overwhelmingly Republican.

The entire Yankee "aura" is conservative (not the stripper Aura that Curt Schilling talked about-- she's liberal). Traditional, staid, conforming, rich. I'm not making a value judgment here. That's how they present themselves. The Mets have always been the blue-collar team with the blue-collar fans (maybe this will change now that they have an expensive new ballpark).

the day the mets change that is the day I burn my mets gear

Ed roots for whoever has a player the loves pearl jam or a team that will give him on the field acess. You really think if ed was a true cubs fan he would take bp at the mets stadium. That be like me taking bp at yankee stadium or in philly.