BACKSPACER VINYL, SOUND QUALITY?

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  • buck502000
    buck502000 Birthplace of GIBSON guitar Posts: 8,951
    edited February 2015
    Maybe it was pressed more than once? My copy contains the following matrix info:

    Matrix / Runout (Side A - GRAMMA MARGE DAUGTHER OF PEARL 1918-2009 GOLDEN MWR9413
    Matrix / Runout (Side B - R.J.O.K.V.H.J... M. R. FOREVER 18460.2(3) GOLDEN
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,758
    so if everyone complains about the sound on PJ vinyl, why does everyone go nuts for it?
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  • Dr. Delight
    Dr. Delight Posts: 11,210
    Pj vinyl that sounds better than average. Original Vitalogy, Yield, Binaural, Riot Act.
    Original Ten and Vs are good. Stay away from the reissues.
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  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    paulonious said:

    so if everyone complains about the sound on PJ vinyl, why does everyone go nuts for it?

    I have a theory that the people that go craziest for PJ vinyl (overpay) leave them sealed and don't actually spin them

    Just my theory...

  • Abe Froman
    Abe Froman Posts: 5,381
    All their albums sound better on vinyl. Including Backspacer. No Code sounds absolutely phenomenal. I guess it's all opinions but I just don't hear what others have stated in this thread. The CDs do not sound better to me. I do agree some PJ vinyl sounds better than others though.
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,669
    Any more, the whole digital vs analog debate cracks me up. If someone says, "Digital is better," I say, "To whom?" If someone says, "To me, digital is better," I say, "Cool. Enjoy."

    Personlly, I very much almost always prefer vinyl (especially 12" 45 RPM- man! great sound!) but if I say that and someone says to me, "Nah man, you're full of shit, digital is better," my first thought is, "What are you doing inside my ears and brain and how the hell did you get in there in the first place? That's an amazing trick. How'd you do that?"
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  • boyo79
    boyo79 Warrington, UK Posts: 6,525
    I don't think it matters what format Backspacer is, it's just a bad album ;)
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,759
    edited February 2015
    I agree that BS sounds shitty, and LB ain't great, namely because it plays really quiet (but cranking the volume solves that. It's better than BS. I don't have any complaints about any other PJ vinyl, unless we're talking reissues, which suck.
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,759
    boyo79 said:

    I don't think it matters what format Backspacer is, it's just a bad album ;)

    True.
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,758
    Intersting that people say the reissues sound worse than the originals. What was the point of reissuing them to just sound worse???
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  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    Hi OP

    Glad you enjoy the music.
    If you like it that's all that matters.
    Don't let anyone tell you otherwise.
  • MedozK
    MedozK Tennessee Posts: 9,212
    paulonious said:

    Intersting that people say the reissues sound worse than the originals. What was the point of reissuing them to just sound worse???

    To make them more loud. The mastering for any PJ release after Binaural is terrible, and the only one that is ok is the Benaroya Hall vinyl, which I think clocks in at a whopping DR10... But by audiophile standards that's just ok.
  • buck502000
    buck502000 Birthplace of GIBSON guitar Posts: 8,951
    PJ and DR (Dynamic Range) hahahhaha!!!
  • Nami
    Nami Newfoundland Posts: 5,999
    sounds pretty good to me... good album too.
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  • Blredyellow
    Blredyellow Posts: 843
    Paulonious tends to troll or doesn't know much and just asks a lot of vague, leading Qs.

    People love and pay for vinyl because it's vinyl. Simple as that.

    Reissues often sound better and louder but sometimes don't. Depends on many factors.

    CDs and LPs are mastered differently. Best vinyl (reissue or not) must be mastered specifically for vinyl.

    Most of PJs LPs sound good/great on vinyl. They have often mastered specifically for vinyl. They've released everything on vinyl, helped keep it alive in the 90s and do a better job than most bands with it.

    Many that complain about vinyl sound have crappy setups and don't know what they're talking about.
  • MedozK
    MedozK Tennessee Posts: 9,212
    Blredyellow said:


    Many that complain about vinyl sound have crappy setups and don't know what they're talking about.

    Or have very nice setups and expect more.
  • buck502000
    buck502000 Birthplace of GIBSON guitar Posts: 8,951
    Hold on while I fire up my Crosley!!!!
  • DewieCox
    DewieCox Posts: 11,432
    edited March 2015
    Most of PJs LPs sound good/great on vinyl. They have often mastered specifically for vinyl. They've released everything on vinyl, helped keep it alive in the 90s and do a better job than most bands with it.
    I think up through Riot Act they sound solid, but far from great. Again, not much offensively bad, but could be a lot better. Especially since they were recording in an analog format of some form until Backspacer. And even digital sources can sound really good when done properly.

    I think LB was the first time that they mastered specifically for vinyl. Maybe BS was as well...don't feel like checking right now. Otherwise, not to my knowledge, and the audio evidence that has been analyzed over and over.

    I will give them kudos for helping keep it alive, but there are plenty of bands around that do it better than them. Ranging from newer bands and their latest albums or catching up on stuff they didn't press, to older bands redoing classic albums and catalogs.


    I don't think the subpar equipment argument holds much water, unless we're talking about real "amateur" type stuff. I've got decent setup, but it's the one constant. I have records that sound amazing and I have records that sound like garbage. A million dollar setup would undoubtedly improve the sound, but I think that improvement would be pretty uniform across my collection.
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  • AndySlash
    AndySlash Posts: 3,287
    sounds great on my fisher price

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  • derbydave
    derbydave Columbus, OH Posts: 11,254
    AndySlash said:

    sounds great on my fisher price

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    Looks like you could use one of these:

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